bigmit3737 said:I just finished K-ON Season 2, episode 26 (Graduation Yearbook photo).
It that the last episode? Are there any extras (OVAs or movies) that I'm missing?
Last few episodes were touching.
Movie coming soon!
bigmit3737 said:I just finished K-ON Season 2, episode 26 (Graduation Yearbook photo).
It that the last episode? Are there any extras (OVAs or movies) that I'm missing?
Last few episodes were touching.
Articalys said:In other news, ISML finally resumed after their stupid month-long break, but rather than the boring actual elimination results with old characters I thought you'd all be more interested in these exhibition matches:
duckroll said:BD sales are IN!
#01 Tiger & Bunny Vol6 - 21.6k
#02 Anohana Vol5 - 19.7k
...
#14 Idolmaster Vol1 - 3.9k (most sales are probably part of the Idolmaster 2 PS2 LE instead)
#19 Usagi Drop Vol1 - 3.2k
zeroshiki said:=(
Heartless bastards
duckroll said:BD sales are IN!
#01 Tiger & Bunny Vol6 - 21.6k
#02 Anohana Vol5 - 19.7k
#03 Steins;Gate Vol5 - 13.8k
#04 sCRYed BD-Box - 6.1k
#05 Natsume 3 Vol3 - 5.4k
#06 Uta no Prince-sama Vol2 - 5.3k
#07 Penguin Drum Vol1 - 5.2k
#08 Denpa Vol4 - 5k
#09 Dog Days Vol4 - 4.8k
#10 Ro-kyu-bu Vol2 - 4.7k
Other new releases:
#14 Idolmaster Vol1 - 3.9k (most sales are probably part of the Idolmaster 2 PS2 LE instead)
#19 Usagi Drop Vol1 - 3.2k
Edit: Usagi Drop Vol1 DVD sold 944, Idolmaster Vol1 DVD did 1.5k, Penguin Drum Vol1 DVD sold less than 873 (not in Top20 DVD).
Regulus Tera said:So Penguin Drum didn't flop? Maybe there is justice after all.
The BD's are pretty much all that matter (unless your studio ghibli)LordCanti said:What kind of world do we live in that 873 DVD sales isn't a flop? I need to pay more attention to sales figures (not sarcasm).
wonzo said:The BD's are pretty much all that matter (unless your studio ghibli)
wonzo said:The BD's are pretty much all that matter (unless your studio ghibli)
wonzo said:The BD's are pretty much all that matter (unless your studio ghibli)
LordCanti said:Makes sense I guess. I'm baffled that they can turn a profit with those numbers.
it's not that hard to make a profit when you charge about ~9000yen for two episodesLordCanti said:Makes sense I guess. I'm baffled that they can turn a profit with those numbers.
wonzo said:it's not that hard to make a profit when you charge about ~9000yen for two episodes
duckroll said:Each volume of Penguin Drum on blu-ray retails for 9,240yen.
Was Saya on duty to protect Blood-C's sales too?duckroll said:But some shows still find it hard to turn a profit. Especially those that totally bomb. Like Nichijou and Blood-C! Lolololol!
*adds nichijou's sales to the list of things funnier than nichijou*duckroll said:But some shows still find it hard to turn a profit. Especially those that totally bomb. Like Nichijou and Blood-C! Lolololol!
usually merchandise tends to bring in a lot of money for the studio.LordCanti said:Even so, assuming every copy sells for full price, that's something like $600,000 (Doing 9k*5k and converting it into USD roughly). I have no basis to figure out what they get wholesale on each copy, but that would bring the figure down. Those margins have to be razor thin, don't they? Is there any sort of tail for BR sales as a series goes on? Or is that figure supplemented heavily by character good sales and CD's?
While it's nice to see that the better of those two shows is selling better, the true tragedy are Nichijou's sales...duckroll said:There was, but his sledge crashed into a Boeing 747 one day and he died.
Hanairo Vol1 DVD+BD sales = 11k
Hanairo Vol2 DVD+BD sales = 10k
Hanairo Vol3 DVD+BD sales = 9k
Hanairo Vol4 DVD+BD sales = 7.5k (new release)
Anohana Vol1 DVD+BD sales = 45k
Anohana Vol2 DVD+BD sales = 30k
Anohana Vol3 DVD+BD sales = 29k
Anohana Vol4 DVD+BD sales = 27k
But... it's a harem anime, you should expect that kind of stuff. I agree that it's sad, but certainly true as well. (I would make sure to add in the "harem" word, though; not ALL anime has fanservice like that, I think.)Miri said:To be fair, previous eps had the ability to make it seem as if the show was going to be a surface level harem at best. Saying, 'It's an anime, you should have expected the silly anime shit' is just kind of sad. Not your saying it, but the fact that it's totally fucking true. I didn't like ep 4 of Ben-To, wolves, I admit.
Yeah, I probably would agree that the cast is not Ben-To's strong suit. It could be worse, certainly, but they all have some problems bringing them down. The MC's not too bad but is somewhat generic. Yarizui doesn't say much a lot of the time. Yeah, I do sometimes like that stoic type (not always, I greatly dislike Rei in Evangelion, but sometimes it can be done well), and she is one of the better characters, but she's not a great character or anything either. Oshiroi I like, but she's pretty average... in this cast average is a good thing I guess. Shiraume I would like -- I like the character design, and the yuri thing's good too -- but she's just too insane to be likable, sadly. And Shaga... yeah, cousin. And that character type isn't my favorite either, beyond either of those things. If she wasn't his cousin she'd be better, but likely still not my favorite.scy said:Yarizui is just not the archetype I like; the stoic type isn't my favorite, honestly. Oshiroi is alright but Rika (Haganai) wins the season for me on fujoshi types. Shiraume I just like the design of ... but she's still rather bland as a character. Shaga at least has energy behind her.unless the yuri and femdom get taken to extremes, I guess
Still, different strokes different folks, y'know?
Heh... but yeah, for me maybe if it was one of the other characters it'd work more, but coming from her I found that creepy. But yeah, I am definitely hoping it doesn't stay like this.Yeah; Ben-To is definitely far better served by being the show the premise speaks of. The harem-y stuff is cute at times for a breather but it is by no means a strength. I just like the.wistful look and general sadness of Shaga's love for the protagonist; it tugs at my cold, dead heart
H-game adaptations definitely are hit or miss, but then again all anime is... my favorite (that I can think of right now anyway) probably would be Koihime Musou, and Majikoi's no competition for that, for sure. It's still got the guy in it (Koihime Musou anime of course completely removes the guy, and has a good amount of yuri humor instead), it's just not as good in concept or execution, etc. Still, Majikoi is a decent anime that I am having enough fun watching to certainly keep going with. Episode 1 is a long fight, while 2-4 are harem stuff; I think it's better at the latter than the former, as I said, the opposite of Ben-To. The cast's not too bad, the guy's somewhat better than some harem protagonists (he's not a complete loser) and the girls are varied and entertaining. Honestly, they might be better than the Ben-To characters... probably are, really. The Ben-To ones are, as you say, somewhat bland.Kind of figured it would be an H-Game adaptation. Man, I think it's been awhile since I last watched an H-Game adaptation...
Apparently so. Hopefully she finds it in the future!She lacks the drive and desire; she wants the food but doesn't burn brightly inside to obtain it herself!
I would imagine that's the reason there, fanservice for people who like incest. Because yeah, there's no other reason really that they're related.I don't really mind (w)incest routes generally speaking but, yeah, it always seems kind of weird when they get tossed in for no reason. I mean, she's not a direct relative (i.e., sister living with him) so what exactly was stopping it from just ... being a childhood friend? Seems a little arbitrary and I guess just there to appeal to a certain crowd ... or ... something.
LordCanti said:Even so, assuming every copy sells for full price, that's something like $600,000 (Doing 9k*5k and converting it into USD roughly). I have no basis to figure out what they get wholesale on each copy, but that would bring the figure down. Those margins have to be razor thin, don't they? Is there any sort of tail for BR sales as a series goes on? Or is that figure supplemented heavily by character good sales and CD's?
duckroll said:Let's assume that Starchild sells each unit to stores for 6000yen (75 USD). At 5,216 units sold, let's assume they shipped 7,000 units. That's 525,000 USD. If they get similar sales for all 8 volumes of the series, that would be 4.2 million USD. The question then is, do you think the entire series of 24 episodes with 21 minutes or so of footage each, cost more or less than 4.2 million USD to produce overall?
duckroll said:Let's assume that Starchild sells each unit to stores for 6000yen (75 USD). At 5,216 units sold, let's assume they shipped 7,000 units. That's 525,000 USD. If they get similar sales for all 8 volumes of the series, that would be 4.2 million USD. The question then is, do you think the entire series of 24 episodes with 21 minutes or so of footage each, cost more or less than 4.2 million USD to produce overall?
duckroll said:Additional information to consider: In 2004, Samurai 7 was the most expensive TV anime series to ever be produced, costing 32,500,000yen per episode for a run of 26 episodes. It was said at the time that this budget was over twice the cost of an episode for an "average series".
There isn't a lot of hard data on anime budgets these days, so it's hard to say whether budgets have gone up or down since then for the "average series", but if we take into consideration that insiders in the industry say that for a show to basically break even, it needs about 5,000 units sold per volume, I would say that taking the cost of a Samurai 7 episode and dividing it by two is still a good general guideline.
Knowing how little people in the anime industry are paid and considering Penguindrum has a few budget saving still-panathon episodes...I'd say less.duckroll said:Let's assume that Starchild sells each unit to stores for 6000yen (75 USD). At 5,216 units sold, let's assume they shipped 7,000 units. That's 525,000 USD. If they get similar sales for all 8 volumes of the series, that would be 4.2 million USD. The question then is, do you think the entire series of 24 episodes with 21 minutes or so of footage each, cost more or less than 4.2 million USD to produce overall?
zeroshiki said:Do rental places have any kind of an impact? Because video prices are so insane, rental is kinda big in Japan. Rental income can't be that particularly large but if we're dealing with numbers where a couple hundred sold can swing a show to profitability, it might have an effect.
Instro said:Phi Brain 5
How much more dramatic can puzzles get?His parents getting killed by a puzzle was hilarious
firehawk12 said:Kimi Boku 5: So many love triangles in such a short amount of time. I suppose it's time to head into Honey and Clover territory now.
mAcOdIn said:$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Or more precisely, well I don't have a yen key but you get the point.
LordCanti said:Now I'm super confused.
32,500,000/2 = 16,250,000 yen
16,250,000*24 = 390,000,000 yen
390,000,000 yen converted to USD = $4,991,688
They've got to be making a lot on character goods if the other figure quoted is accurate. Unless budgets have gone way way down.
I'm... conflicted. On one hand I love Nichijou so I kinda wanna give you a high five, on the other AnoHana is an abomination against God. How should I feel right now?A Black Falcon said:While it's nice to see that the better of those two shows is selling better, the true tragedy are Nichijou's sales...
duckroll said:What's there to be confused about? Dividing the number by two is a good guideline for the most it should cost for an average anime episode in a "normal" series. I'm sure most shows cost much less than that per episode. Basically 100-200k would be a good range to work from.
:cajun:PdotMichael said:Erio is a Top 5 character so no surprise.
And, as you pointed out on IRC, Oniisama e and Utena both have 39 episodes.Morro! said:Oniisama E 01
http://i.imgur.com/w79ko.png
Yup. I now see where Ikuhara got the inspiration for Utena from.
LESBIANS WHO TOTALLY LOOK LIKE DUDES EVERYWHERE.
It would be a lie if I said I wasn't shocked when Rei started talking for the first time. I tought she was gonna be like the Akio of this show, I was like, "OH SHIT".
LordCanti said:My confusion was the figures. We came up with 4.2mil in sales, but then 4.9mil in expenses. There is a pretty big difference there. Their expenses must be much lower if they're actually making money.
I hope they're making money, anyway
duckroll said:You shouldn't really take the specific numbers so seriously, because they're basically just general estimates I'm using to make a point. For example we don't know if they are selling each unit to retailers at 6000yen, that's just a random number. I used that number because it is close to how much Amazon Japan sells the product after their massive discounts, and it seems like a possible cost-price figure. We also don't know the budget of the show. My example with Samurai 7 is that it is one of the few data points we have to further estimate possible production costs.
Since everything is a general estimate with a possible range, it is pointless to get hung up on the actual specific number, but instead look at it as a range. In such a range, $700k isn't really a "big" difference at all. It is in fact my exact point originally. I'm not saying that the show is that profitable at all. Instead it is merely breaking even when it sells 5-7k per volume. They would be making about 4 million or so, and the entire show could cost about 4-5 million. Or maybe less. Even if the budget is lower, they won't be making any sort of profit that is impressive.
To truly be a successful show, they need to sell more than 10k per volume. But since your original question was how they can turn a profit at all with these numbers, if each episode of Penguin Drum costs 12,000,000yen to make for example, and we use the same made up estimate of how much they would make from total BD sales, the series would have made a profit of 48,000,000yen from home video sales. That's actually pretty shitty return on investment. On the other hand if each episode costs 15,000,000yen to make, then it would have made a loss of 24,000,000yen. The actual margin and range we're looking at here is kinda small.
Another factor to consider is that the production committee can offset potential loss by licensing a show to other regions, especially North America. A license can typically go for a 6 figure sum in USD, so that's something to consider.
duckroll said:HEY DARKSIDE34756254!
First week sales for Nichijou BD Vol1 - 2,620
First week sales for Pendrum BD Vol1 - 5,216
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!?!?!?!
cajunator said:Also, I am glad AnoHana is selling well. I loved the series. Screw the haters and all such and so forth.
Well there's nothing actually "wrong" about K-on it's just not the show some people want, it's a much better show than Infinite Stratos or some shit like that.Steroyd said:K-ON rolled in money to, but I wouldn't count that as a victory for anime either.
And of course the other factor we're leaving out is whatever revenue they make from their run on domestic television broadcast in Japan. I don't know exactly how TV licensing works in the US let alone Japan but I figure they're either getting some of the advertising money or some money from the channel it's broadcast on. I'm sure that some home video sales are needed for most shows to break even or even profit but I also wouldn't be surprised if there were some shows done on such shoestring videos and are made just to fill a slot that they're(home video sales) just an afterthought.duckroll said:Another factor to consider is that the production committee can offset potential loss by licensing a show to other regions, especially North America. A license can typically go for a 6 figure sum in USD, so that's something to consider.
duckroll said:Another factor to consider is that the production committee can offset potential loss by licensing a show to other regions, especially North America. A license can typically go for a 6 figure sum in USD, so that's something to consider.
I'd say partly, I'd say the other half is exposure so it comes down to what they reasonably expect to sale. In essence, like Japan anime in the US is a relatively small segment in the home video arena, the difference between us and Japan though is that in the west the chance for exposure is basically zero. You have a slot or two for a kid's anime on Saturday and you might have a block or so on Cartoon Network and that is it. For anything we care about Adult Swim is really the only option and that's not even a broadcast channel and it's already a niche channel. So aside from the paltry streaming money these companies make the only exposure their show even gets is from fans word of mouth, people's past exposure with the Japanese release or just sitting on the store shelf. They get no money from TV at all nor do they usually get to ride the tail end of the TV broadcast, they're essentially sent out on DVD and Bluray to die. Well not die but there's definitely a time when the iron's hot with these things. You have a better chance of selling a DVD if it has recently been on TV or the theaters than you do if it's a year or two old or has never been seen anywhere else.Dedication Through Light said:Is that why the MSRP of the anime is so huge here for most series.
EmmanuelMunoz said:There is no God.
mAcOdIn said:Well there's nothing actually "wrong" about K-on it's just not the show some people want, it's a much better show than Infinite Stratos or some shit like that.
And of course the other factor we're leaving out is whatever revenue they make from their run on domestic television broadcast in Japan.
In essence, like Japan anime in the US is a relatively small segment in the home video arena
Probably the only good thing with American shows that run on for 10 years is that they can get a hit of syndication money, which is probably impossible for Japanese television outside of shows like One Piece.NeonZ said:Actually, that's not true in Japan. The "anime" model with high prices and low sales is the model of the entire DVD/BluRay industry there, it's not limited to anime.
zeroshiki said:i have only 2d friends - 02
Holy shit, why have I been putting this show off? This episode was totally hilarious and had me laughing quite a bit. The MonHun parts weren't that funny but the Tokimemo parody was totally ace. I loved how the 2 girls are basically Haruhi ramped up all the way to insane all the damn time.
No offense to you, PdotMichael, as I've seen expressed this opinion various times and I still can't see why anyone would call him that... or, are you joking this time?PdotMichael said:although Seita was a dick