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2012 NBA Offseason |OT|They said I could become anything so I became multiple sources

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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Magic lost to the Bobcats and were the 6th seed in the East.

Still proud of my team! Not shameful at all.

Hopefully the Pacers get swept.
 

charsace

Member
Lin plays defense?

Than Marshall? Yes. Lin is a better athlete by far. Lin in college was catching dunks in traffic and this was when he was 30lbs smaller and slower. I can't think of a time where Marshall dunked on guys in a halfcourt set. Marshall is a smart defender, but he will still get roasted in the NBA. And I like Marshall. I called him a top 5 player in this draft at the start of the season when you were still hyping up Barnes.
 

pilonv1

Member
salty? Insinuating Nate Robinson is a decent PG should be a bannable offense. I ain't part of any of you or your shit, the team I root for actually graduated out of the Shameball Classic games and made the playoffs.

Call me when you defeat a #1 seed
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charsace

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Calling Lin a superior athlete just doesn't sit well with me.

Are saying Marshall is a better athlete? Because Marshall is an average athlete at best and Lin is above average. There the same height except Lin is stronger, has a great first step, quicker, faster end to end, basically a better athlete than Marshall in every way. Marshall's a good player because he'll have great size for a pg even in the NBA and is probably the best passer the league has seen since kid. Athletic ability is not a strength for Marshall.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
Knicks should give Cartier Martin or Shakur a call. But they won't.
Are saying Marshall is a better athlete? Because Marshall is an average athlete at best and Lin is above average. There the same height except Lin is stronger, has a great first step, quicker, faster end to end, basically a better athlete than Marshall in every way. Marshall's a good player because he'll have great size for a pg even in the NBA and is probably the best passer the league has seen since kid. Athletic ability is not a strength for Marshall.
Marshall doesn't get bullied getting to his spots. He plays strong in one of the strongest conferences in college.

Lin couldn't squat his own body weight until a year ago.

Lin's got great size and his first step is deceptive and long, but I would definitely pause before saying quickness and size is the end all regarding qualities of an athlete.
If "nakama" means "they who TANKS SO HARD and is staring at the 4th pick in the draft as karmic retribution", no we are not, Dy.
We get the 4th pick, I'll probably ask for a ban. Real talk.
 
We get the 4th pick, I'll probably ask for a ban. Real talk.
Nope, you're untouchable until end of June. And here's why:

When you get the 4th pick (or worse), we are all going to talk to Blackace not to ban you because NBA-GAF needs to see your reaction when the Bobcats select Harrison Barnes. Actually I'm pretty sure he knows the whole situation already.
 

pilonv1

Member
Sadly I don't think Barnes will go 4th unless he destroys people in workouts. One of Drummond/Beal/Robinson is far more likely now.
 
Are you doubting MJ's eye for talent?

Michael+Jordan+Charlotte+Bobcats+v+Chicago+R9IFfzZhTy1l.jpg


"They said drafting Harrison Barnes at the 4th pick is crazy!"

Sad, but true.

This is Michael Jeffrey Jordan we're talking about. The man who brought Kwame Brown into the basketball world.

He could draft Rivers with the fourth pick and it wouldn't surprise me.
 

pilonv1

Member
I've been #1 on the Barnes to Bobcats bandwagon all year. I want it to happen, but I'm not prepared to get excited by it in case I get disappointed.
 

jjasper

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Are there any late first round 3pt specialist with the potential to run backup PG minutes? That dude from Vandy (Jenkins maybe?)?
 
In my earlier post I went through a prospective list of PGs the Knicks should look at signing. After reading the comments after I had realized I listed Raymond Felton. Now you'd think I'd love bringing him back to the Knicks but realistically, I'm not so sure that's wise. It's true he destroyed his value in Portland by being out of shape and basically being Charlotte Raymond Felton, but a return to the Knicks wouldn't be a return to 2010-2011; remember, Mike D'Antoni is gone and you'd think any remnants of the D'Antoni system next year. Exactly how much of Nightlife Felton in 2010 was real and how much was a result of the "D’Antoni Bump"? Here are a few numbers as per KnicksBricks.com:

Guess who this player is?
Season 1: 30 MPG, .451 FG, .384 3P, 11.1 PPG, 2.8 Reb, 6.2 Ast, 2.0 TO
Season 2: 36 MPG, .451 FG , .381 3P, 14.3 PPG, 3.3 Reb, 9.2 Ast, 3.1 TO

Who is the mystery player? Nash? Nope. Raymond Felton? Nope. Chris Duhon? No way. Actually, Season 1 is the combined averages of Nash, Felton, and Duhon in their season before joining a D’Antoni squad and Season 2 is their numbers during the first season with him. Interestingly the shooting percentages were identical or nearly identical. The other numbers break down pretty nicely as there is a 20% increase minutes, 29% increase in scoring, 18% increase in rebounding, 48% increase in assists, and a 55% increase in turnovers.

This is consistent with what we think about D’Antoni. He relies heavily on his point guards whose assist and turnover rate increase at a much higher rate than their minutes. The points per minute also increase but not nearly at the same rate as the assists and turnovers.

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Also, it's come to my attention that Steve Novak AND Landry Fields may not be Knicks next year...

First candidate to escape? Restricted free agent Landry Fields, a second-round steal in the 2010 draft. The 23-year-old guard is still considered a big part of the team's plans despite his decline this season. But after speaking with interested parties and CBA expert Larry Coon, it seems clear that Fields could be a goner.

If the Knicks use the non-taxpayer mid-level exception on Lin, they wouldn't be allowed to go over what's called the "apron," or $4 million above the luxury-tax threshold, which is an estimated $74 million in payroll. A mid-level deal for Lin would bring New York's 2012-13 payroll to more than $64 million for only seven players (one of whom, forward Renaldo Balkman, is no longer with the team but is owed $1.675 million next season). Even if an eighth player, shooting guard J.R. Smith, opts out of his $2.5 million contract for next season, as has been widely expected, the Knicks would still be left with little money to spend on Fields and the rest of the team before hitting $74 million.

So even though the Arenas rule and matching rights come into play with Fields like they do with Lin, Fields would be exposed in this scenario because the Knicks couldn't exceed $74 million under any circumstances. And if another team targets Fields in free agency (perhaps with a deal of his own for around $5 million annually), the Knicks would have a tough decision to make about whether to match.

Another challenge will be re-signing unrestricted free agent Steve Novak, the 28-year-old forward who averaged a career-high 8.8 points and led the NBA in three-point shooting at 47.2 percent. Novak will be looking for a raise from his veteran's minimum of $854,389 this season.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
He doesn't do anything besides score, and he doesn't do that efficiently.

So of course the Wolves will take him.
I don't think he'd necessarily be the bad fit for a team like the Wolves.

The jury is still out on Malcom Lee and Webster/Wes suck eggs. It'd be odd having him, Lee, and Barea on the same team but one of them should win out at that spot and fill that gap.
 
I don't get the Rivers thing. He wasn't good in college.

In his defense, and his only defense, K's motion offense didn't suit him well AT ALL. He'd be much more at home in an ISO-based offense.

The way I see him:

PROS:
Decent jumper from NBA range
Quick/Shifty
Good Size
CAN make acrobatic finishes
Doesn't Lack for Confidence

CONS:
Not a good defender (Tends to get lost on D)
Bad runner without the ball
Gets called for way too many offensive fouls
Misses the simple finishes too often
Constant whiner/complainer to refs
Entitled attitude (Not sure how coachable he'll be, if at all)
Doesn't Lack for Confidence

Is he worth taking a late lottery on? Sure, if you need someone you can bring off the bench and give your team instant offense.
 

Rodeo Clown

All aboard! The Love train!
I don't think he'd necessarily be the bad fit for a team like the Wolves.

The jury is still out on Malcom Lee and Webster/Wes suck eggs. It'd be odd having him, Lee, and Barea on the same team but one of them should win out at that spot and fill that gap.

Webster will be gone, though I'm still baffled they exercised Wes's option for next year and distraught that the team still thinks he can play. (Taylor had a scary quote about him needing coaching. No, he just sucks.)

Although the Wolves are after apparently hard after Russian guard Alexey Shved. Hopefully that happens and I don't have to talk myself into Rivers.
 

h3ro

Member
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Also, it's come to my attention that Steve Novak AND Landry Fields may not be Knicks next year...

This would RUIN my perfect offseason plan though. :/

At least we held on to our amnesty so we can use it on talisay.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
In his defense, and his only defense, K's motion offense didn't suit him well AT ALL. He'd be much more at home in an ISO-based offense.

The way I see him:

PROS:
Decent jumper from NBA range
Quick/Shifty
Good Size
CAN make acrobatic finishes
Doesn't Lack for Confidence

CONS:
Not a good defender (Tends to get lost on D)
Bad runner without the ball
Gets called for way too many offensive fouls
Misses the simple finishes too often
Constant whiner/complainer to refs
Entitled attitude (Not sure how coachable he'll be, if at all)
Doesn't Lack for Confidence

Is he worth taking a late lottery on? Sure, if you need someone you can bring off the bench and give your team instant offense.
I'd agree with this.

One thing that bugs me is that he just absolutely shits hims
Webster will be gone, though I'm still baffled they exercised Wes's option for next year and distraught that the team still thinks he can play. (Taylor had a scary quote about him needing coaching. No, he just sucks.)

Although the Wolves are after apparently hard after Russian guard Alexey Shved. Hopefully that happens and I don't have to talk myself into Rivers.
What about Ellington? Is he gonna be freed?

I keep hearing about Alexey. No clue about him at all...
 

Rodeo Clown

All aboard! The Love train!
What about Ellington? Is he gonna be freed?

His option got picked up, though I don't know what they do with him.

I keep hearing about Alexey. No clue about him at all...

Honestly, I didn't either until DraftExpress said the Wolves are the most aggressive team trying to sign him. He put up pretty good numbers for CSKA last year (11, 3 and 3). Shoots it pretty well.

Plus then the Wolves are one step closer to the elusive all-Euro lineup.
 

masud

Banned
I don’t know why yall keep talking about amnestying talisnay. I relegated him to Nets age in like January...
 

charsace

Member
Didn't Jeremy Lamb also play some minutes at point. I'm not sure how he would do in the NBA though.

Jeremy is the best wing prospect in this draft so I don't see him being around at that time.

Rivers will look good in the NBA. He has the best pick and roll game in this draft and a great first step. His jumper isn't as good as he thinks it is and he has the worst tunnel vision in this draft. I think he has the drive to work hard though.
 
Gordon Hayward has accepted an invitatiion to join USA's select team for the Oiympics, Coach K annouced earlier today. Sounds good to me, work on his game with some of the games top players.
Derrick Favors also!
 
I don't like Rivers' jumper much, his form looks pretty bad to me.

His form looks better in person than I was expecting, but yeah, it's not good.

Dude makes some of the most boneheaded decisions in terms of shot selection that I've seen in some time, though.

Granted if your options were to either shoot it or pass it off to Tyler Thornton or Miles
Plumlee, you'd be jacking up asshole 3's too.
 

h3ro

Member
Gordon Hayward has accepted an invitatiion to join USA's select team for the Oiympics, Coach K annouced earlier today. Sounds good to me, work on his game with some of the games top players.

The world isn't ready for global G-TYME saturation.
 
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