N1ghtW4lk3R
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2014 High-Res PC Screenshot Thread of the Last Hope for Image Quality
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Ok. I'll send you via PM.
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Thanks, I appreciate it and the civil conversation over different points of view.
Dude, are you being for real?
That looks awful!
Film grain is cool and totally has it's place, but that looks like total ass.
Film grain isn't simply "yes" or "no. There's a a scale and I think turning it a bit more subtle would probably be a lot better.
If you're trying to compare it to movie film grain it's totally not even close by the way.
I mean look at this!
No!
Nooo!!!
Genuinely, I think perhaps your display may be crushing blacks because that effect is ridiculously over applied. If you like it, that's cool, but even then it still looks nothing like the film grain you see in actual film.
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Dude, are you being for real?
That looks awful!
Film grain is cool and totally has it's place, but that looks like total ass.
Film grain isn't simply "yes" or "no. There's a a scale and I think turning it a bit more subtle would probably be a lot better.
If you're trying to compare it to movie film grain it's totally not even close by the way.
I mean look at this!
No!
Nooo!!!
Genuinely, I think perhaps your display may be crushing blacks because that effect is ridiculously over applied. If you like it, that's cool, but even then it still looks nothing like the film grain you see in actual film.
did you just totally ignore what I mentioned at the end in bold?
Here's a screenshot of the same scale grain with 8xSGSSAA
*BIG* difference.
Also: No my display isn't crushing blacks, because I can see each and every one of those pixel sharp dots of grain.
And again, disabling that grain is akin to replacing character models with those completely absurd mods for skyrim that makes all characters look doll like. And completely out of place in contrast to the art style of the game.
did you just totally ignore what I mentioned at the end in bold?
Here's a screenshot of the same scale grain with 8xSGSSAA
Also: No my display isn't crushing blacks, because I can see each and every one of those pixel sharp dots of grain.
Yo you know what isn't at 8xSGSSAA with downsampling? Thoooose screeeeeen shoooots.
You said
The pattern is barely visible in shots. And really only shows in the darkest areas.
Then had screenshots showing completely the opposite.
Then you said
With downsampling and SGSSAA it really becomes even more filmic because it's less sharp.
That it becomes more filmic, as if to imply those screenshots you posted look filmic.
Then...
It looks just fine in screenshots and even better in motion.
Which maybe true on the second part, but definitely not by default on the first part.
Everything in your post seems to be defending the look of the very shots you posted, adding an addendum to the end that says "It looks BETTER downsampling with 8xSGSSAA" doesn't change that.
If you're saying you DON'T think those original screenshots look good, I totally agree. The new one your posting looks fine, but the previous ones you posted don't even compare to it at all, and your post seemed to be standing behind the original screenshots as perfectly great which I definitely don't agree with at all, nor do I think they look filmic.
Chance Hale
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You are implying that I was implying that's how it looks in the raw shots with noAA you are wrong and you completely misread what I typed. Because that's not what I wrote.
You are misconstruing what I am saying. But I also worded it improperly with the examples shown. I should've said it looks filmic once it's been processed instead of saying all that jazz with the raw shots and other things.
But hey, even without AA I think it still looks A-Ok in a screenshot(From which I can barely even see anything remotely like pattern tiling). And in motion.
There are far worse looking things out there like Remember Me's ridiculously bad looking digital camera noise
Not like people aren't allowed to have opinions.
You are implying that I was implying that's how it looks in the raw shots with noAA you are wrong and you completely misread what I typed. Because that's not what I wrote.
You are misconstruing what I am saying. But I also worded it improperly with the examples shown. I should've said it looks filmic once it's been processed instead of saying all that jazz with the raw shots.
But hey, even without AA I think it still looks A-Ok.
Not like people aren't allowed to have opinions.
Whether it's what you intended dude that's totally what you wrote. You're saying I completely misread what you typed and that it isn't what you wrote, but then you're admitting you worded it improperly with the examples shown. That's not me misunderstanding your view, that you poorly presenting it.
The only screenshots you had posted were of the game at a low resolution with thick film grain then wrote an entire post about how "it looks fine in screenshots!" when the only relevant screenshots which had been posted were not downsampled at 8xSGSSAA.
No ones saying you can't have an opinion either, just that I think the opinion you have of the lower resolution shots without SGSSAA is definitely off base.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Your screenshots are really fucking bad man.
Weirder so because you know your stuff but christ what the hell are you doing.
I first read that text as Zoey protected Lolis, and couldn't stop laughing.
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Again, misconstruing.
What I was said I should've written things better to make my point come across clearer. But you still totally misunderstood the intended meaning due to my poor choice of words and examples.
They aren't mutually exclusive.
And I disagree. I think it looks fine.
Different Folks Different strokes
I don't have a problem with the grain without any AA applied to it.
These screenshots weren't intended to be the best of the best with awesome amazing IQ.
Just a quick few random shots that I thought were interesting.
Sorry you guys think they look bad. I don't think it would look any better without the grain in those shots.
And last I checked it's not against the rules to post shots without AA or absurd downsampling.
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Way to point out the obvious! Which I mentioned!
HURR DURR It's even in the title for the first shot of those for Christ's sake.
N1ghtW4lk3R
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Same angle, new shot and different resize tool. I'm saying BINGO!
Again, misconstruing.
What I was said I should've written things better to make my point come across clearer. But you still totally misunderstood the intended meaning due to my poor choice of words and examples.
They aren't mutually exclusive.
And I disagree. I think it looks fine.
Different Folks Different strokes
You do this a lot and I don't know if you realize this, but you can totally have a disagreement about things with people that doesn't end with you sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "well that's my opinion" as well as some snarky image as if to try and blow it off that others are disagreeing with you.
Everyone already knows it's your opinion, and everyone else are only stating their own opinions. Sometimes, it's worthwhile and interesting to explain why you hold your opinion and to try and justify it. It helps you get a better understanding of the reasons you hold your beliefs, and it helps you understand why others think the way they do when they're disagreeing with you. Someone disagreeing with you doesn't mean that they're telling you you can't hold your opinion or that you must hold their opinion. Someone defending their opinion to you doesn't meant they're trying to force you to only believe what they believe. You can hold your opinion while others still have valid reasons for disagreeing with it. You don't have to be close minded on every disagreement you have with anyone.
Chance Hale
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Same angle, new shot and different resize tool. I'm saying BINGO!
That IQ is DISGUSTING.
Phreakuency
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They are only seeing what they think is aliasing when viewing the full size image in the auto shrunk size. If they click to see the full size, there's no jaggies visible.
edit: then looking at those circled sections, lmao. Aliasing? O......k......
Man I'd be sad if I wasted time on a post pointing out that....
N1ghtW4lk3R
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With Bicubic Its less sharp than before and the image is more soft. Every way i'm trying has its ups and downs, strengths and weaknesses. What the hell do you want?
Agree with u. I was just trying to be kind....
He's yankin your chain, don't worry.
Spazznid
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N1ghtW4lk3R
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I think he meant it in a good way...
Hostility in this thread.
When people try to be nice this is the result... It's a wonderful world
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rudieboy77
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Hallway Simulator 2009 (Mirrors Edge)
HL2 Lost Coast
HL2 Lost Coast
<3
Are you still using the texmod grain removal or did someone make one for gedosato's texture override? Assuming you are using gedosato at all of course.
If someone hasn't done that, I probably have to when I start playing Remember Me again.
Spazznid
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Are you still using the texmod grain removal or did someone make one for gedosato's texture override? Assuming you are using gedosato at all of course.
I'm using GeDoSaTo but not for the grain removal, That's Texmod, along with high res Nilin skins.
MrRoderick
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lol
rudieboy77
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Those Wolfenstein shots look significantly better with Bicubic downsampling. Everything looks better with bicubic. I have yet to see another algorithm match it's results.
Thank you for not posting them. I always feel severe disappointment when people fuck up shots and say, "oh well, I messed up but here are some screens."
Thank you for not posting them. I always feel severe disappointment when people fuck up shots and say, "oh well, I messed up but here are some screens."
Very nice.
Thank you, I'm enjoying go through it as well. The engine is starting to show it's age but does have some very interesting locations and scenes. Trying to cherry pick those scenes for interesting shots is half the fun. Having the dev tools available for this is the icing on the cake. Not sure how much more I'll do but will be going back to key scenes that I noted on my first play through now that I have the IQ and methods down.
I loved the set pieces in that level. Great game.
I thought this was Dishonored at first glance.HL2 Lost Coast
Morrigan Stark
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You mean that as in "disgustingly good", right?
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Well, Trine 2's SSAA uses Bicubic scaling and that just looks awful doesn't it?
crazyturtle
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Ummm...
lol
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This shot is badass, it's too bad the animator's didn't fix his fingers clipping with the assault rifle though
GavinUK86
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Thief could be such a great looking game with a gothic almost Lovecraftian atmosphere... shame the actual game turned out crap.
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