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2015 has been the best year for John Cena
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Voysa Reezun
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HHH is a middling woker at best. His best matches are all garbage brawls and against Bryan, which should be a clue that he's just not that great. Cena straight smokes him as a worker and it isn't even close.
I also blame HHH for the ponderous epic matches that WWE tries to have all the time now. He really tried to engineer that style in '02-'03 to mimic the NWA touring champion style he's so fond of. His Harley Race/Ric Flair cosplay from that era in general is a pile of shit, to be frank.
I also blame HHH for the ponderous epic matches that WWE tries to have all the time now. He really tried to engineer that style in '02-'03 to mimic the NWA touring champion style he's so fond of. His Harley Race/Ric Flair cosplay from that era in general is a pile of shit, to be frank.
BobTheFork
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Hear's a good video to watch about this. Top 10 reasons to love and hate Cena
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D49Eeal-n4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D49Eeal-n4Q
Nose Master
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Owens, Neville, Cesaro, and Rollins could be wrestling a scarecrow and make it an excellent match. Cena just happens to be there.
But all of those have had bad matches before so the whole these dude carry cena is false, it take two to make a good macth.
bean breath
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If only they could out-promo a scarecrow as well, now that would really be something. Cena is just as, if not more competent in the ring and when it comes to the mic? It's not even close.
Give me Owens on the Mic over Cena any day of the week.
Professor Beef
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And half of them will never be stars because they can't speak worth a damn.
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Deleted member 47027
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With his funny French Canadian accent? He sounds hilarious. I prefer Papa Powerbomb not talking, really. Cena brings it though.
Voysa Reezun
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I like Neville, but he really only came into his own recently, and even now he's still trying to fit his current role. He struggles with selling fatigue and pain and is a bit too apt to go from move to move without filling in the blanks. In NXT, he really struggled as working champ for the first few months of his reign until he got paired with Sami and Tyson Kidd and their character work in-ring helped him find something to play off of. Even now, however, he's a guy who is a bit too move-move-move without any of the intricacies that elevate his work, at least so far on RAW.
Rollins is one of those guys that might just be a stylistic difference between me and your typical internet fan. I think that he is not good at all, actually. Bad offense for a heel, terrible control segments that don't punish the face enough to make Rollins seem like a dastardly threat or to build sympathy for the face. He's a great multi-man worker - see the Shield stuff and the 5-on-5 at last year's Survivor Series. However, as a singles worker, he hasn't been any good at all. His best matches since breaking off from the shield were a triple threat where Brock Lesnar was basically Godzilla and a 5v5.
If anything, Cena would have to carry both of those guys to good matches.
bean breath
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In terms of French maybe, but heck Cena can parlez-vous français with best of them. Heck son, Cena will even give you some Mandarin Chinese too.
To give you perspective I consider Cena to be one of the most over rated ever.
bean breath
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Hey, you got your NeoGAF account approved same as me and everyone else here and that entitles you to post your conscience about John Cena, whether it's positive or negative, that's what's so great about this forum. Now you have a bad opinion about Cena and I wish to heck you shared my positive outlook on him but regardless of whether you feel good or bad I think we can both agree that John Cena evokes a strong reaction within us all and that in and of itself is pretty darn great.
Yep.
The mic is where wrestlers make names for themselves and Cena is always good. No one wants to see actually talented wrestlers anymore. We line up for our hillbilly drama. Poor Shelton Benjamin, probably one of the best wrestlers our generation has ever seen but he might as well chew on the mic instead of talking into it with the lack of any connection with the audience, or also lack of basic speaking skills to be honest.
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Deleted member 47027
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This is also why he's so awesome in Japan. He's fantastic. Just a bad fit for WWE's promo-centric style.
If you can't wrestle I couldn't care less what you have to say. I am 34 and when I was growing up HBK was in his prime. Nobody had or has the total package on the Mic or in the ring like HBK.
After being bored to tears by the WWE product since 2005 NXT has reignited my love for pro wrestling.
I'm 32 and HBK is my all-time fave wrestler. He had it all. He was the best wrestler of his generation and top 5 mic worker of his gen.
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How? Zayn had like 5 botches that match. It was bad.
Pro wrestling can be enjoyed like figure skating or gymnastics, assigning grades to athletic performances based on fluidity and execution of movements with modifiers based on the degree of difficulty in one's routine and inevitably downgrading certain performers because politically their country is toxic, but that's boring.
It's best consumed as Days of Our Redneck Lives.
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He also hurt himself before it even begun. It was bad luck. But not amazing, I agree. Not even close to his normal pedigree.
Perspicacity
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The "botches" didn't hurt the flow of the match and the injury played into the story in a natural way. If you need the moves to always look like the video game animations then just watch that or gymnastics or something.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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Bluekaveli
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Pathetic, he had no reason to win.
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Deleted member 47027
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Cena is a great man and did wonderful tonight putting over Owens. He continues his streak of being the best wrestler in WWE, not to mention the best speaker.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
b...bb.bbb.bbbbbut Max Landis!!!!
Cena being compared with the great Ric Flair and then with one of the greatest heels in the business Triple H. smh
The only thing Cena has going for him is great mic skills which he wasted when he decided to become wannabe Hogan. Cena should have kept the rapper persona and stayed heel and would have ended up more popular than he is now.
The only thing Cena has going for him is great mic skills which he wasted when he decided to become wannabe Hogan. Cena should have kept the rapper persona and stayed heel and would have ended up more popular than he is now.
Sibersk Esto
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No he wouldn't have. This is a ridiculous statement.
Almost everyone wants the guy to turn heel for a reason. He is one of the most boring face in a long time and seems to have forgotten mimicking Hulk Hogan and using a worn out Goody two-shoes persona post the attitude era sucks. I really think the thug life John cena had tremendous potential on the mic. I mean how could one go from this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCZJnLpqbZw
to this crap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LitDGyxFh4
Last night proved nothing has changed. I don't care it was a great match. It was finally time for Cena to actually put someone over last night. He should have been the one tapping and helping the young talent develop. Instead we got the same old super cena crap we have had the last 10+ years. He has enough pull in WWE that if he says we need to put Owens over it happens.
I am at a point I will just watch NXT where they have people worth watching instead of Cena.
I am at a point I will just watch NXT where they have people worth watching instead of Cena.
Right, the problem I've always had with Cena is the repetition. He has been the same character for 20 years, acted the same way, said the same things, taken the same positions, and produced the same results. The problem is:
1. He is way more exposed than people like hogan, sammartino, flair, etc ever were.
2. He doesn't have the charisma of the above, or foley, austin, rock, taker, brock, edge, hbk, etc.
3. He's near the bottom as far as in ring capabilities go of those listed
Most importantly:
4. He has terrible in ring psychology. There is not a good flow to his promos or to his matches, and he can't tell a story. The good ones have good one liners and individual spots, but a good flow in the action or buildup in your promos is the difference between fans being engaged when hogan drops the boot or flair becomes a deer in headlights on top of the ropes, and fans groaning at the 5 knuckle shuffle. It's the difference between fans smirking at foley's cheap pops ("Right here, in Minneapolis!"), joining rock, austin, taker, and others in saying catchphrases and rolling their eyes when Cena says "The champ is here!" Charisma also plays into thus.
5. He has not had one character change or heel/face turn in his entire lengthy and overexposed time at the top. He became stale very quickly because of his flaws, and WWE was perfectly content to let it simmmer and stew In plain sight for a decade, over thousands of hours of broadcast. It turned bad heat into genuine disinterest for the product
DonasaurusRex
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whats the W/L record in those matches?
Including last night 7-1 in favor of Cena. Nothing has changed.
DonasaurusRex
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lol yeah whats great about that...
Liquidsnake
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*Shakes fist angrily at GOD*
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Retromelon
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So fake but so good
Frank Serpico
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How did he bury the title he's about to win?
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Deleted member 47027
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HELL yeah, hands down
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