Avon Barksdale
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The AFC South is such a tire fire, it's not even funny anymore.
2016 NFL Season OT - Week Three - Dylan Once Wrote
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MisterR
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I'm in no way saying Brady isn't a very good QB. He certainly is. However, his legacy is much more built on winning games than putting up great numbers. That takes a bit of a hit when your team is still one of the best teams in the league without your future HOF QB. The Colts went from Super Bowl contenders to winning 3 games without Manning. It matters.
sf2fanatic
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Chargers didn't play tonight.
They did it for Jimmy.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Couldn't quite make it out.. maybe "hit that blunt" or "hit the blunt"...
sf2fanatic
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You shouldn't had rag on the Titans this morning.
The Albatross
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I understand the point, but it doesn't matter to Brady's legacy, which is what the original question was. No reasonable person is going to say "Tom Brady should not be in the Hall of Fame because Jacoby Brisset beat the Houston Texans in Week 3." It doesn't matter. It matters for Houston losing this game, it matters for the Patriots to win another game this season, but it doesn't matter for Tom Brady's legacy.
It matters because a hypothetical situation is all these Brady haters have to hang on to at this point.
You mean when the colts lost on purpose?
The Albatross
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Yep, first Black Qb to start a game for New England.
MisterR
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He's a HOFer for sure, but people who want to put him top 5 all time or even the GOAT, it sure hurts their case.
Version 3.0
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Yikes, what a face plant from the Texans. The Patriots required minimal effort to produce a shutout. Feels like they're still completely intimidated by NE.
Megalosaro
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Knee jerk reaction... Brissett was good tonight, but I think Garappolo has shown more confidence. Still I'm happy for Jacoby. That rushing TD was great.
Blount has been fun as hell to watch this season.
Blount has been fun as hell to watch this season.
Hahahahaha
To be fair that Colts team was literally built to lose every game without a HOF QB.
We are all PatriotChargers didn't play tonight.
MisterR
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Stupid conspiracy theories don't make great rebuttals.
Let's be fair here, because people always wanna point out the season before. The team the year before was much healthier and was only a year removed from Dungee. Under Caldwell they were a disgrace, the idea that it was just Peyton being gone are forgetting how blatant that tank job was with whitehurst and painter.
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I take it you don't follow sports much. Tanking is an actual thing. Doesn't take conspiracy theorists to see that.
Brissett was garbage. Every ball past 10 yards was ugly. If you are drafted, completing short passes is something that should be a given. He managed the game which can not qualify as a good performance as it is pretty much the definition of playing safe because your qb can't throw for shit.
Go smoke a cigarette .
The Albatross
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You think Brady drops down to #6 from #5 because Jacoby Brisset went 11/19 with 110 yards and beat the Houston Texans in week 3 of the 2016 season, while the defense pitched a shutout?
This only matters to people who are convinced that Brady is not a great QB. For anybody who is fair minded, it doesn't matter. People who hate BRady talk about the 2008 Cassell year, where Cassell almost made the playoffs but went 11-5... Well, that's 5 more losses than Brady had with almost the same team the previous year. A swing of 5 wins from one year to the next is a pretty enormous swing. FOr most teams, let's say they go 12 - 4, win the division, lock up first place with their best QB, and then that guy is out and the next year they go 7-9 and miss the playoffs without him, most people would say "Wow, pretty big swing without their best QB..."
Don't get me wrong, I get the argument, but I don't think it actually matters in the legacy of a QB, and if we discount Brady because Cassell was servicable, and because Brisset beat Houston, and Garappolo went 2-0 as a starter, I think we could go down the list of historically "Great" QBs and find that most of those teams also found middling success without their stars.
MisterR
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I'd guess I've watched a great deal more sports in my life than you likely have. Played quiet a few of them too. Yes tanking is a thing. That was not just a result of tanking. Take Manning away from the team the year before and that would have been a shit team as well. You don't seem capable of adult conversation so I'll throw you on ignore and move on.
sf2fanatic
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Bead I hope your cigarette isn't a Virginia Slims
You cheered against Jacoby Brissett in his first NFL start!? How mean
I definitely wouldn't say he was garbage. It was a short week and they had the reigns pulled tight on him. He only threw 19 passes and a couple of those were deep shots downfield. He did have one where Hogan had the step and would've been gone had he dropped it in there, but that's a tough throw regardless for 1, and 2 like I said the inconsistent rhythm likely threw him off. When they lightened up and let him throw he looked solid. I think given a few weeks of practice with the 1s he'd be able to show what he's got.
The_Darkest_Red
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Remember that time the Texans drove the ball into New England territory? That takes guts.
Brissett needed to play against a team that could beat itself, and Houston was more than willing to play the part tonight.
If anything will ever make me hate the Broncos. It's gonna be the Brocksalt for the next 3 years from their fans. Holy hell I can't take it anymore.One game in Week 3 and you people saying Elway was right...
Pretty sure you're the one who started with claiming I was a conspiracy theorist. Nonetheless you'd have to be insane to think that colts team wasn't willfully tanking with the way they handled the QB situation and personnel. The 2 situations aren't exactly comparable either. You're talking about starting 2 QBs who were historically bad, versus matt Cassel who was garbage, but also went on to have a pro bowl season with the chiefs a year later.
I am sure we will be nice to him when he earns his paycheck. 😆
sf2fanatic
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Disrespect Thursday in full effect.
slightconfuse
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Maybe goo dell knew Brady wanted a vacation
When did the Texans earn respect?
tiggerkiddo
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Far far too soon to say Elway was right about not paying Brock the money. Well okay he was kinda right because we wouldn't be able to afford Von if Brock was getting paid big bucks but still, have to wait and see how the season goes.
I still would have been annoyed if they paid him that much though
I still would have been annoyed if they paid him that much though
Nemesis121
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Speaking of black QB, after tonight, Giants only team in the NFL not to have a black QB start for them..
The Albatross
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Wow, surprised it's not more teams
sf2fanatic
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Thank you for being reasonable. Let's give it SOME TIME before making that determination.
VeryGooster
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Obviously the Giants will go 15-0 and then Ben will start Josh Johnson week 17
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