3DS has surpassed PS3 lifetime sales in Japan

So just guessing, but the system should end up near 15-17 million in Japan, right? Just under the PSP. There is at least another two years of life in it.
 
Congrats 3DS, and now repeat that success in the West.

I can see it happening at some point once....

1. Nintendo lower the price of the hardware to $100 - $130
2. Nintendo Markets the 3DS effectively as the DS successor
3. The price ceiling is established for games as $30 with variable pricing from $10 - $30.
4. More 3rd party games are released in the USA
5. The DS is effectively killed in the USA.
 
Very impressive considering a mainline pokemon franchise still hasn't even been announced for the system. The 3DS COULD reach DS LTD levels by the end of its cycle. Not saying it will, but theres a reasonable chance...a 30 million unit lifetime doesn't sound so far fetch when you consider at least 2 more redesigns will drop and the system has 4-6 years left of life. And again, pokemon hasn't even dropped yet.
 
wait, am I reading this right, even after what looks to be a huge success for the 3DS, people are still finding ways to downplay it?
 
wait, am I reading this right, even after what looks to be a huge success for the 3DS, people are still finding ways to downplay it?

Yeah, the 3DS has an impressive track record so far (in Japan), and it will be a very successful console when all it said and done. They haven't even released the 3DS Lite yet (hopefully with LED backlit LCD screens and much better battery life).
 
So just guessing, but the system should end up near 15-17 million in Japan, right? Just under the PSP. There is at least another two years of life in it.
20m+ and probably another 3-4 years in it. It still has Monster Hunter 4, Pokémon Gen VI and (likely) Dragon Quest XI ahead for it too.
 
Yeah, the 3DS has an impressive track record so far (in Japan), and it will be a very successful console when all it said and done. They haven't even released the 3DS Lite yet (hopefully with LED backlit LCD screens and much better battery life).

It almost feels as if the west is falling back into that "I hate Nintendo" mentality that we saw back in the late nineties all the way up until the Wii.
 
PS3 was a PS console only in name, in my opinion. It felt pretty different library-wise to PS1, PS2 and even PSP and it's easily my least favorite Sony system to date, so I can see why it didn't explode in Japan.
 
That's why i'm actually a little bit sad that Wii-u looks to be shaping up to be another Wii situation. I was really much more excited to see the movements it could make in gaming compared to the Wii motion control movement. There's still a chance but i'm just afraid its not going to be taken seriously by developers to capitalize on it. MS and Sony are making certain movements in that direction that would set gamers up to that movement like cloud saves, digital downloads and account portability but we will have to wait and see if they are making any changes to controllers or inputs.

I don't feel gamers should be afraid of that movement or losing fidelity or gameplay. This preconceived notion that portable gaming is less then console gaming is so uncalled for now it reminds me alot of that "laptops are not meant for gaming" meme that just wouldn't die in the face of reality. We are really reaching a level of parity here and really all they need now is a simple wireless streaming box to hook up to TV to complete the transition.
I agree with you about how gamers shouldn't feel that handhelds are a step down, but for now I think the masses have spoken, in the US at least, about how they want their gaming entertainment. Big, hyped, and cinematic :P

Nintendo seem to have the right approach as in 'graphics aren't everything' - and I think the Wii U pad is some kind of voodoo magic, I'm seriously impressed by it every time I use mine - but they still seem to cheap out too much and miss the mark and they make some really frustrating, obstinate decisions. It's like they see what's successful in the 'core' (i hate that word) game space, emulate it somewhat, but in a really weird overly simplified way that won't take off with established gamers. They create some innovative stuff but don't seem to think long-term and it hurts their chances of 3rd party content.

On that note it really sucks seeing no Wii U confirmation for many (any?) of those early 2013 games.

Will be interesting to see where stuff goes in the coming years - obviously not many people are responding to the Vita, Wii U could go either way but something like you suggest with off-TV streamed gaming is something I'd really like to see widely adopted. For my own, selfish needs. The Wii U is like my ideal Nintendo portable now, after being hugely disappointed by the 3DS. I only use my handhelds at home so it's like what I wanted from theirs in the first place.
 
It almost feels as if the west is falling back into that "I hate Nintendo" mentality that we saw back in the late nineties all the way up until the Wii.

To be fair, I think this mentality was for Nintendo home consoles. Nintendo's portable consoles have always been the golden child of the West. It just so happens that they now have to share the spotlight with Android and iOS now.

Once a certain threshold is hit, I believe the 3DS can get to overdrive in the West, but it needs initiative from Nintendo to take some risks to get to that stage.
 
Isn't the sales trajectory of the 3DS as good if not better than the DS comparatively at this point in its lifetime? In all regions?
 
Looks like the Vita will definitely pass the Xbox 360 by the end of next year. Handheld dominance in Japan is astonishing, it even looks like the 3DS will pass the Wii by next year, also. And the PS3 numbers compared to the PS2 are astonishing. I expect handhelds to be the most popular in Japan for a very long time, considering the way most people in Japan commute to work/school. I'm just hoping the Vita picks up steam by Q2 2013, after Soul Sacrifice comes out.
 
Handheld dominance in Japan is astonishing, it even looks like the 3DS will pass the Wii by next year, also. I expect handhelds to be the most popular in Japan for a very long time, considering the way most people in Japan commute to work/school.

And thank god for this. Japan is very much keeping the dedicated handheld gaming market alive, and because of this I thank you Japan.
 
I can see it happening at some point once....

1. Nintendo lower the price of the hardware to $100 - $130
2. Nintendo Markets the 3DS effectively as the DS successor
3. The price ceiling is established for games as $30 with variable pricing from $10 - $30.
4. More 3rd party games are released in the USA
5. The DS is effectively killed in the USA.

At this point I think Nintendo would rather go bankrupt than selling software at an affordable and reasonable price.
 
wait, am I reading this right, even after what looks to be a huge success for the 3DS, people are still finding ways to downplay it?

no. it's just that comparing home console numbers to handheld is like comparing COD sales numbers opening weekend to The Avengers opening weekend, or tablet sales to mainframe sales. It's means nothing.
 
Yeah, Americans and Europeans who don't speak Japanese and don't feel like shelling out ungodly amounts of money should not be cheering this news. The divisions between our markets haven't been this stark since the days of the SNES or the Saturn maybe.

As long as Americans and Europeans continue to ignore handheld software, the 3DS ascending like this is bad news for those who want to play cool new games. It's as simple as that, sadly.

Divisions? This whole thing confuses me. The 3DS is tracking AHEAD of the DS in the USA and BEHIND the DS in Japan and yet people want to argue the market is more divided? Granted the DS didn't take off in the USA until later but who is to say it won't happen this time around again?
 
no. it's just that comparing home console numbers to handheld is like comparing COD sales numbers opening weekend to The Avengers opening weekend, or tablet sales to mainframe sales. It's means nothing.

Sure it means something. It shows how shittily the PS3 fared in Japan compared to Sony's and most people's expectations.

3DS has a long way to go before matching PS2 sales. Wii's should be reachable before the end of 2013.
 
The Japanese sales difference between the DS and gameboy advanced are double. In your line of thought there should be no growth the DS took the casual market by storm in Japan.

There is always growth. I never put forth the idea that the market contracted.

The GB+GBC = 32 million
The GBA+sp+micro= brought in over 17 million
The DS = 32 million

So the odd one out is the GBA series but like I mentioned before, many of them were on the market at the same time. They were competing with each other it is possible that some gamers skipped over the GBA series given the timing of the support ending for GBC and the date the DS was announced.
 
I wish it were doing better in the west. I'd like to see EA, Activision and Ubisoft treat it more seriously. And back in Japan, I wish Konami hadn't so blatently stiffed it with mgs3d vs trilogy... It deserves to see more and better quality games.

I'm glad it inherited some great teams from indie development and the old DS scene though.. renegade kid, wayforward, nicalis, shinen... And of course, good support from Level 5 and others is appreciated too.
 
Sure it means something. It shows how shittily the PS3 fared in Japan compared to Sony's and most people's expectations.

3DS has a long way to go before matching PS2 sales. Wii's should be reachable before the end of 2013.

And cod shows how shittly the avengers did, and tablets show how shittily mainframes are doing?

or are you saying the PS2 after 6 years has outsold the ps3 after 6 years? cuz you know, you don't need 3ds numbers for that.
 
So...who is really surprised / cares?

It's been well known for a very long time that handheld gaming rules in Japan now, and that Console gaming has been in strong decline.
 
There is always growth. I never put forth the idea that the market contracted.

The GB+GBC = 32 million
The GBA+sp+micro= brought in over 17 million
The DS = 32 million

So the odd one out is the GBA series but like I mentioned before, many of them were on the market at the same time. They were competing with each other it is possible that some gamers skipped over the GBA series given the timing of the support ending for GBC and the date the DS was announced.

The odd one out is the GBA because it only had roughly 3 years on the market. That's the thing people tend to forget when looking at GBA figures. The thing was an absolute monster and was cut short only by how quickly the DS came along.
 
The odd one out is the GBA because it only had roughly 3 years on the market. That's the thing people tend to forget when looking at GBA figures. The thing was an absolute monster and was cut short only by how quickly the DS came along.
I wonder whether the DS should've been introduced later, or the GBA earlier?

Probably the latter actually, we were long overdue for a REAL jump, not just the GB with color, and the DS was probably partially a reactionary move to the PSP.
 
Yes but has it beat Vita lifetime sales?

I know you're trying to be funny so I shouldn't be trolled, but of course the 3DS has sold more than the Vita. The 3DS has been out longer. Comparing the total number of 3DSs sold to Vitas sold isn't completely pointless, but it is pretty misleading.
 
I know you're trying to be funny so I shouldn't be trolled, but of course the 3DS has sold more than the Vita. The 3DS has been out longer. Comparing the total number of 3DSs sold to Vitas sold isn't completely pointless, but it is pretty misleading.

Well that's a poor excuse to use in a thread titled, "3DS has surpassed PS3 lifetime sales"
 
I can see it happening at some point once....

1. Nintendo lower the price of the hardware to $100 - $130
2. Nintendo Markets the 3DS effectively as the DS successor
3. The price ceiling is established for games as $30 with variable pricing from $10 - $30.
4. More 3rd party games are released in the USA
5. The DS is effectively killed in the USA.

jesus man, that is a bit extreme. 100$ entry point?
 
And cod shows how shittly the avengers did, and tablets show how shittily mainframes are doing?

or are you saying the PS2 after 6 years has outsold the ps3 after 6 years? cuz you know, you don't need 3ds numbers for that.

I'm not even sure what you're talking about anymore. It's just a simple metric to demonstrate the continued shift in gaming in Japan over the last decade or so.

The 3DS quickly outpacing a poorly performing console relative to its predecessor shows this is how Japanese consumers are spending most of their time now.

The fact that a console which sold 21 million units existed is pretty damn impressive in light of your assertion that handhelds and consoles are completely separate marketplaces, which cannot be considered in the contexts of one another.
 
I know you're trying to be funny so I shouldn't be trolled, but of course the 3DS has sold more than the Vita. The 3DS has been out longer. Comparing the total number of 3DSs sold to Vitas sold isn't completely pointless, but it is pretty misleading.
Yea but 3DSXL compared to total vitas sold is still something.
 
Poor choice, you can definitely have a dewfest in the woods or wherever your park is.

Now I'd like to see you pull that off on the bus.

No way man. Too many homeless here. Those munchies wouldnt last five seconds.

...nor would the 3DS.
 
I know you're trying to be funny so I shouldn't be trolled, but of course the 3DS has sold more than the Vita. The 3DS has been out longer. Comparing the total number of 3DSs sold to Vitas sold isn't completely pointless, but it is pretty misleading.

3DS XL has outsold Vita, and after the end of the month the gap between the two will be humongous. Anyway because of Japan Nintendo will never drop out of out of the handheld business and make games for iOS like some people seem to want. At the same time, people who say 3DS is fine in the west are crazy.
 
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