42% of American adults will be obese by 2030, study says

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And to be honest, so did I.

I am now trying to reverse that by eating better and getting active. But to some people it does not matter. Since i look this way now, im a slob who doesn't give a shit. That kind of prejudice bothers me.

Yeah, now that is bothersome. I mentioned this in an earlier post, I hold a good deal of respect for a person who goes the extra mile to become fit, especially when this individual is obese. I would think it's pretty damn hard.

My life was easier because I was already thin becoming fit. I can't imagine doing the opposite of that.
 
Actually, it is. Poor sleep increases the hunger promoting hormone, ghrelin, and decreases leptin, which tells your brain that your energy needs are being met. Poor sleep increases insulin resistance which leads to poor glucose metabolism. It is the reason low carb diets tend to be superior to low fat diets for IR obese people. Sleeping less than 7 hours per night inreases the likelyhood of developing obesity by roughly 70 percent.


I don't want to downplay the benefits of sleep when it comes to general health and even weight loss... but a lack of sleep isn't even close to being the biggest factor of why so many people are so damn fat in this country. I would also argue that a major cause of sleep deprivation/poor sleep is a poor diet. It's a lot easier to get better sleep when you're not eating shit all day and constantly sick because of your awful diet.
 
Yeah, shit like Express, Ralph Lauren, J Crew, and Brooks Brothers are generally fine for these things. Unfortunately Ralph Lauren is the only company that makes sleeves at the length I need, and Express's shirts are made for people with a smaller upper-torso than me.

I probably have weird measurements. Ralph Lauren's slimmer fits fit me perfectly, but that's about it.

I think we may have the same problem. I have long arms and a long torso, but am not particularly overweight. I'm 6'1" and 210, though I carry most of my weight in my upper legs. I'm still losing weight, but my problem now is that the shirts I bought a year or two ago are way too big in my stomach and chest region now, unless I buy dress shirts at Express or some such. The assumption seems to be in a lot of dress shirts that someone with my length of arms is much bigger than I am.
 
Haha, I know the feeling. The clothing size nomenclature should be changed to something like this:

Small
Medium
Large
Overwight
Obese
Morbidly Obese

NOPE!

Sometimes I have to get clothes in XL because L is too small. Not overweight at all. Although I do feel fat at times lol.

I think we may have the same problem. I have long arms and a long torso, but am not particularly overweight. I'm 6'1" and 210, though I carry most of my weight in my upper legs. I'm still losing weight, but my problem now is that the shirts I bought a year or two ago are way too big in my stomach and chest region now, unless I buy dress shirts at Express or some such. The assumption seems to be in a lot of dress shirts that someone with my length of arms is much bigger than I am.

I tend to have that problem as well. Shirts that are too small length wise. I go up one size and they are a good length but then it looks like I am swimming in my clothes. The worst is jeans. Waist will fit but they can barely fit over my thighs. Go up a size and the waist is too big. Damn you squats!
 
And the thing is, the reason why it's "taboo" to make fun of someone's weight is because that doesn't help. All it does is service one's childish sense of feeling superior to someone else. Note that mocking someone's weight is not the same thing as offering advice; real advice, not just "durr don't eat whopers fattie".

Seriously. People are wondering why it's "taboo" to make fun of people now? What is this, grade school?
 
Never fails that the paleo/low carb fad dieters will come in here on their high horses telling us we can just eat 5 steaks and 10 pounds of bacon and we would be fine but it's those few slices of bread that's making this country fat.
 
Never fails that the paleo/low carb fad dieters will come in here on their high horses telling us we can just eat 5 steaks and 10 pounds of bacon and we would be fine but it's those few slices of bread that's making this country fat.

Yeah that's exactly what they say. Word for word.
 
Never fails that the paleo/low carb fad dieters will come in here on their high horses telling us we can just eat 5 steaks and 10 pounds of bacon and we would be fine but it's those few slices of bread that's making this country fat.

I eat steak several times a week and bacon at least 5 times a week and am in great shape. People trumpet low carb because it's so ridiculously successful for people to lose weight doing it. As long as you can give up (mostly) your addiction to breads and sugars it's amazing.
 
Never fails that the paleo/low carb fad dieters will come in here on their high horses telling us we can just eat 5 steaks and 10 pounds of bacon and we would be fine but it's those few slices of bread that's making this country fat.

Hyperbole much?
 
gifs like this initially trigger disgust and anger in me, but then i look at her smile and i feel terrible. obesity is an awful burden, self inflicted or not. i sort of feel like richard simmons i suppose. getting that fat is tragic.

The only hint that it's a girl is the pink shirt. It's weird how only healthy men and women look different. Starving men and women lose their characteristics, too.
 
I eat steak several times a week and bacon at least 5 times a week and am in great shape. People trumpet low carb because it's so ridiculously successful for people to lose weight doing it. As long as you can give up (mostly) your addiction to breads and sugars it's amazing.
Low carb also curbs your appetite, big time. As long as you eat the right foods, you find you're only eating because you need to fuel your body, rather than being driven to hunger.
 
Actually, it is. Poor sleep increases the hunger promoting hormone, ghrelin, and decreases leptin, which tells your brain that your energy needs are being met. Poor sleep increases insulin resistance which leads to poor glucose metabolism. It is the reason low carb diets tend to be superior to low fat diets for IR obese people. Sleeping less than 7 hours per night inreases the likelyhood of developing obesity by roughly 70 percent.

I'd like to see the study that says this. This really looks like a case of correlation != Causation to me. I think that being overweight makes you sleep less not the other way around.

So instead of saying that you become obese if you don't sleep enough, it's you don;t sleep enough when you are obese.
 
Explain that to the mothers giving their babies cheesy poofs and purple drink on my commute to work every day.

Mothers like chubby toddlers, study suggests

Mothers of overweight toddlers often mistakenly think their children are normal weight, and mothers of underweight toddlers often wish they were plumper, U.S. researchers said on Monday.

The findings, based on a study of poor women in Baltimore, suggest that U.S. mothers often do not have a realistic idea of their offspring's weight, and many still cling to the notion that a chubby child is healthy child.
Most of the mothers — 71.5 percent — were very satisfied with their toddlers' body size, and mothers of overweight toddlers were the most satisfied, the researchers found.

Among the moms who were dissatisfied, the team found more than 20 percent of mothers of healthy weight toddlers and many of the mothers of the overweight toddlers wanted their kids to be bigger, Hager said.

"That suggests we may have a lot of parents who are trying to fatten up their babies," said Dr. Eliana Perrin of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill School of Medicine, who wrote a commentary on the research in the same journal.

Doctors say the obesity epidemic may be eroding a general impression among the public of what healthy looks like in a toddler, and that suggests pediatricians need to be much more candid with parents about their child's weight.

The concern among scientists is that children's eating habits are shaped when they are very young, said Dr. Stephen Cook, a member of the Executive Committee of the Section on Obesity for the American Academy of Pediatrics and associate professor of pediatrics at the University of Rochester Medical Center.

"Kids who gain weight as toddlers tend to hold onto weight longer and tend to be overweight and obese in adolescence and adulthood," said Cook, who conducted a similar study in older children.
 
I'd like to see the study that says this. This really looks like a case of correlation != Causation to me. I think that being overweight makes you sleep less not the other way around.

So instead of saying that you become obese if you don't sleep enough, it's you don;t sleep enough when you are obese.

It could be a case of correlation != causation, but whenever people with sleep apnea are put on a CPAP, it almost immediately improves the hormonal profile of ghrelin and leptin and reduces insulin resistance. The studies of identical twins show the sleep duration is the strongest environmental variable influencing obesity. And there have been controlled experiments comparing the same weight loss diet in sleep deprived individuals versus rested individuals. The sleep deprived individuals lost less fat and more muscle than the well rested individuals. There have also been controlled trials that have shown that appetite is greatly increased after sleep deprivation. Approximately 30% of US workers are sleep deprived.
 
Never fails that the paleo/low carb fad dieters will come in here on their high horses telling us we can just eat 5 steaks and 10 pounds of bacon and we would be fine but it's those few slices of bread that's making this country fat.

Lol at "fad diet".

Sorry you're bitter that paleo/anti-grain and sugar diets make it so ridiculous easy to lose weight and get healthy. You must really love your donuts or something.

I'd like to see the study that says this. This really looks like a case of correlation != Causation to me. I think that being overweight makes you sleep less not the other way around.

So instead of saying that you become obese if you don't sleep enough, it's you don;t sleep enough when you are obese.

I think it's a bit of a vicious cycle that begins with a poor diet for most people. Eat a poor diet -> get fat, health degrades -> sleep becomes more difficult -> gets even easier to put on fat and degrade health -> process accelerates!
 
As a sort of normal-sized person with long arms, I also find it hard to buy clothing that fits. Most "small" shirts are not long enough for my torso and fit tightly at the shoulders, most "medium" shirts are too wide around the torso and arms. Dress shirts, hoodies, and jackets ALWAYS have arms that are too short with sleeves that are too wide.

The best fitting clothes I've ever bought are actually off Ebay, from a seller who exports stuff made for the Korean market. I fit an XL or 2XL in their sizing, but their jackets, hoodies, and dress shirts fit me perfectly.
 
Lol at "fad diet".

Sorry you're bitter that paleo/anti-grain and sugar diets make it so ridiculous easy to lose weight and get healthy. You must really love your donuts or something.
The idea that cutting out a food group that humans have eaten for thousands of years without issue is hilarious to me.
 
The idea that cutting out a food group that humans have eaten for thousands of years without issue is hilarious to me.
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... you realize the whole point of paleo/primal is that it caters to what homo sapiens ate throughout history, no? Meat and fruits/vegetables, as the early humans foraged. Grains were largely uneaten until agricultural reform. The concept (which is pretty logical) is that humans are biologically acclimated to a certain diet, and the one we currently use is largely a mere recent development (and one which does not gel with our system).

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Uhh...diet coke and coke zero aren't going to make you fat. They have no calories.
But they nevertheless have a ton of artificial sweeteners in them. What do those do to your body, I wonder...?
 
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... you realize the whole point of paleo/primal is that it caters to what homo sapiens ate throughout history, no? Meat and fruits/vegetables, as the early humans foraged. Grains were largely uneaten until agricultural reform. The concept (which is pretty logical) is that humans are biologically acclimated to a certain diet, and the one we currently use is largely a mere recent development (and one which does not gel with our system).

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But they nevertheless have a ton of artificial sweeteners in them. What do those do to your body, I wonder...?

Do you have a link for that? Early hunters and gathers also ate grains from what I've learned and that helped propagate the grains which had seeds that did not fall off the stem and germinate leading to wheat and barley and whatnot. They began settling down only when it became more productive to farm instead of hunting/gathering due to loss of game. Don't get me wrong, I still think people should limit the amount of carbs they get, especially from sugar, but a little bit of bread isn't going to hurt.
 
I haven't read any studies that prove this, but I have a strong feeling that there is a significant correlation between cultures that prioritize money above all else and high obesity rates. In general I've noticed that countries that place more value on social welfare and sustainability aren't facing obesity epidemics.

South Koreans should all be enormously fat.
 
Some of the sizes being posted make me feel a bit odd. I'm 6'4" and 175-180 pounds, but I feel I'm right on the borderline. If I gained 10 pounds I'd definitely think of myself as at least overweight. Even right now I think I need to lose some around my waist.
 
The idea that cutting out a food group that humans have eaten for thousands of years without issue is hilarious to me.

There are plenty of populations out there that historically did not consume grains. They're just fine. I don't consume grains any longer. I'm more healthy than I've ever been. There's plenty of evidence showing that grains are full of things that make them poor, or even harmful for human consumption.

You can find it hilarious all you'd like, but for your own sake, I'd recommend you look into the anti nutrient and inflammatory attributes of wheat in particular. I'm pretty neutral on rice, but I tend to avoid it for weight control reasons. It's stuff like wheat and corn that are actively bad for us.

We didn't evolve as a species regularly consuming grains and sugar. It has been thousands (tens of thousands) of years since large parts of humanity began to regularly consume grains, but that doesn't mean they are some kind of ideal food when plenty of alternatives are available.
 
Do you have a link for that? Early hunters and gathers also ate grains from what I've learned and that helped propagate the grains which had seeds that did not fall off the stem and germinate leading to wheat and barley and whatnot. They began settling down only when it became more productive to farm instead of hunting/gathering due to loss of game. Don't get me wrong, I still think people should limit the amount of carbs they get, especially from sugar, but a little bit of bread isn't going to hurt.
At the moment all I could do is link you to a bunch of unrelated articles (but Mark's Daily Apple is a quick and easy citation), but this was clear in my mind due to a recent project on ancient Ainu.

Basically, the early humans--and I'm talking caveman days, which is realistically the state humans had longest been in in Earth's history--were not farmers, they were hunter-gatherers. They didn't have the means or idea to mill grain (although some did eat cereal grain straight), instead getting the fiber and nutrients from fruits and vegetables. Legumes, roots, and other such flora were what they consumed for carbohydrates.

Grains and bread as we know it is largely a recent development in the grand scheme of homo sapiens' history.

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You can eat 200-300g of carbs and still be fine and lose weight easily. Just need to supplement that with a proper diet and a solid gym routine.
 
Some of the sizes being posted make me feel a bit odd. I'm 6'4" and 175-180 pounds, but I feel I'm right on the borderline. If I gained 10 pounds I'd definitely think of myself as at least overweight. Even right now I think I need to lose some around my waist.
6'4" and 180 seems pretty scrawny to me. I am 6'1" and 180 and am trying to put on weight. I have a good triangle shape, but I'd like to broaden out.
 
Emphasis on those last two points and let's face it, most people dont have solid gym routines.
Probably 90% of the people at my gym walk at 2mph on the treadmill for five minutes before leaving in exhaustion. If it's a good day they'll do three or four reps on a random machine, using the minimum weight. That is their "work out."

It's like they think simply paying the gym fee will make them healthy. I have to wonder why they bother. They'd get more of a benefit and save $35 a month just going for a short walk everyday.
 
Nope.

Diet soda is bad. All soda is bad. Period.

And should I trust what some random youtube video says? There are countless hundreds of millions of diet soda drinkers. Are there also countless hundreds of millions of people with hypothyroidism caused by diet soda drinking? I'm guessing not.
 
Probably 90% of the people at my gym walk at 2mph on the treadmill for five minutes before leaving in exhaustion. If it's a good day they'll do three or four reps on a random machine, using the minimum weight. That is their "work out."

Yup. Don't forget guys doing pointless/crazy things at the gym. There's a reason I almost always get the squat rack when I want it...unless someone is doing...curls in it....

The only major exercise I see pretty much everyone do is bench.
 
You can eat 200-300g of carbs and still be fine and lose weight easily. Just need to supplement that with a proper diet and a solid gym routine.

Sorry, Mr. Savage, but most people aren't in the gym lifting weights every day and posting in fitness threads about their routine.

Saying a "solid gym routine" without context would probably mislead a lot of people into thinking that they can work off all their shitty eating with 30 minutes per night on the treadmill.

For the average person, 200+ carbs means weight gain. I imagine most Americans are easily going over 300 or even 400.

And should I trust what some random youtube video says? There are countless hundreds of millions of diet soda drinkers. Are there also countless hundreds of millions of people with hypothyroidism caused by diet soda drinking? I'm guessing not.

There are hundreds of millions of people drinking normal soda who aren't fat, too. I guess that means soda doesn't make you fat! Good news, everyone!
 
And should I trust what some random youtube video says? There are countless hundreds of millions of diet soda drinkers. Are there also countless hundreds of millions of people with hypothyroidism caused by diet soda drinking? I'm guessing not.
But you'd rather trust these 100% synthetic chemicals (read: nothing remotely natural about these sweeteners) being consumed by your body?
 
Haha, I know the feeling. The clothing size nomenclature should be changed to something like this:

Small
Medium
Large
Overwight
Obese
Morbidly Obese

Some of you are tiny humans. I've been wearing XL shirts since I was probably 13 years old, and I've always been thin. I wear XL because of my sizing though, being 6'4 with broad(er) shoulders means putting on a L is a no-go.
 
Yup. Don't forget guys doing pointless/crazy things at the gym. There's a reason I almost always get the squat rack when I want it...unless someone is doing...curls in it....

The only major exercise I see pretty much everyone do is bench.
There is one crazy lady that shows up sometimes and puts max weight on and does nothing but strain herself trying to move it. She steals drinks and insults everyone around her. Just the other day she walked up to my brother, who is 6'4" and 250lbs, benching 300lbs with a 36" waist and 18" biceps, and asked him how he got so fat.
 
Uhh...diet coke and coke zero aren't going to make you fat. They have no calories.

There is a small Pavlovian insulin response to very sweet foods and beverages that don't actually have calories.
Also, caffeine reduces the effectiveness of low-carb diets.

Low carb also curbs your appetite, big time. As long as you eat the right foods, you find you're only eating because you need to fuel your body, rather than being driven to hunger.

It's not that it curbs your appetite. Low-carb foods are just very satisfying.
 
Sorry, Mr. Savage, but most people aren't in the gym lifting weights every day and posting in fitness threads about their routine.

Saying a "solid gym routine" without context would probably mislead a lot of people into thinking that they can work off all their shitty eating with 30 minutes per night on the treadmill.

For the average person, 200+ carbs means weight gain. I imagine most Americans are easily going over 300 or even 400.



There are hundreds of millions of people drinking normal soda who aren't fat, too. I guess that means soda doesn't make you fat! Good news, everyone!

If it really is true that there are hundreds of millions of people drinking normal soda who arent fat (and I don't know whether that's true or not), then, yes, that means that drinking soda in moderation doesn't make you fat as long as you still burn more calories than you eat.


But you'd rather trust these 100% synthetic chemicals (read: nothing remotely natural about these sweeteners) being consumed by your body?

Why does something not being natural or being synthetic mean that it's bad for you? This is just the naturalistic fallacy. Just because something is natural, doesn't mean that it's good.
 
I think we may have the same problem. I have long arms and a long torso, but am not particularly overweight. I'm 6'1" and 210, though I carry most of my weight in my upper legs. I'm still losing weight, but my problem now is that the shirts I bought a year or two ago are way too big in my stomach and chest region now, unless I buy dress shirts at Express or some such. The assumption seems to be in a lot of dress shirts that someone with my length of arms is much bigger than I am.

I just buy medium tall now. My arms are just too damn long for mediums and larges are just too big. Medium tall seems to work out well, though that pretty much limits me to ordering online, which is fine, cause i hate gong to the store
 
Not at all, actually. I'm 5'10"~5'11" with some pretty wide shoulders but not a particularly long torso. Most T-shirts I buy in the US are extremely long (not to mention baggy) unless I go for smalls.

If you can wear anything smaller than a large, you don't have wide shoulders. I don't care how skinny you are.
 
If you can wear anything smaller than a large, you don't have wide shoulders. I don't care how skinny you are.

Is that right? Well, in order to continue this conversation, I suppose we'd better settle on a definition of wide shoulders. How do you define it?
 
Nope.

Diet soda is bad. All soda is bad. Period.

Very interesting video. I was skeptical at first, but as I watched it some of it kinda clicked with what I already know. I know for a fact though that your body responds to a low blood pH by breathing of CO2 (its actually called the carbonic drive, which basically controls all of your breathing) and I'm not sure how that causes the mineral loss that this guy is talking about.

Again the video at least made me think twice about it, but I'd like to see some good literature on the matter.
 
Is that right? Well, in order to continue this conversation, I suppose we'd better settle on a definition of wide shoulders. How do you define it?

If you need to turn sideways to get through doors? I know that when I got my shoulder x-rayed in HS they had to do each shoulder individually because I was too wide in the shoulders for their machine.
 
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Reminds me of a dude I know that said they should put scales like these all over America (on the streets and such) and it would improve obesity problem
 
6'4" and 180 seems pretty scrawny to me. I am 6'1" and 180 and am trying to put on weight. I have a good triangle shape, but I'd like to broaden out.

I think it's a pretty normal, likely very healthy weight. It's definitely nowhere near "scrawny," though. A few people comment and say I'm scrawny when I have my shirt on and stuff, but I've got a bit of a belly growing. That's why I think if I gained another 10 pounds I'd feel overweight. I suppose though everything else on my body is pretty decent and 10 pounds evenly spread out probably wouldn't do much. But my belly? Yeah, not great.
 
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