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54 alleged acts of rape (including 5 gang rapes)by Baylor University football players

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AlfonzoPalutena

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Make the program disappear overnight. They shouldn't be able to bring it back for a minimum of ten years. All players, coaches, anyone involved should be expelled. In 10 years time if its still profitable to start from essentially scratch, Baylor can try to attract new recruits under an entirely new regime with strict oversight,
 
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Frozenprince

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Slayven said:
I would be scared to death of my kid going there.

Real talk what is the NCAA for? The only thing they go hard to the paint for is making sure those kids don't get paid.

This shit is built into the system, and the system needs to be busted down to the white meat. But who cares as long as every one is making money ?
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They exist to keep the gravy train rolling basically. Can't have these programs paying kids legally.

Of course, kids still get paid (Saban spends millions) but it's under the take and if they get busted it's on them and a booster or set of boosters and but the program itself.

Really they are gonna be dead within ten years. The writing is in the wall.
 
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discospider

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This is absolutely a uniquely football problem, but since football is the Donald Trump of sports it's absolutely teflon to criticism and damage.
 
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RinsFury

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Fucking horrible ugh. Kill the football program forever, it should never be brought back, ever. Fire every single person that was remotely involved. I hope the rapists spend the rest of their lives in prison.
 
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Frozenprince

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RinsFury said:
Fucking horrible ugh. Kill the football program forever, it should never be brought back, ever. Fire every single person that was remotely involved. I hope the rapists spend the rest of their lives in prison.
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Everybody involved already fired.

Big thing now is how many of them are gonna do serious time.
 
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Suzushiiro

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This is far worse than PSU IMO
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Yeah, big difference between PSU and this is that PSU was, for the most part, one guy doing something terrible and his boss looking the other way- they could basically put it all on Sandusky and Paterno. What seems to be happening here is a culture of doing terrible things being perpetuated from top to bottom.
 
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ArkhamFantasy

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Alienfan said:
Is death penalty synonymous with "shut it down" or something? Or are people saying everyone involved should be killed?
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Whenever SMU repeatedly broke NCAA rules over and over and over again, the NCAA shut down their football program for a year. This caused a mass exodus of recruits and the program hasnt recovered in over 2 decades and never will.

This ban has since been known as "The death penalty".
 
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hatchx

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AlfonzoPalutena said:
Make the program disappear overnight. They shouldn't be able to bring it back for a minimum of ten years. All players, coaches, anyone involved should be expelled. In 10 years time if its still profitable to start from essentially scratch, Baylor can try to attract new recruits under an entirely new regime with strict oversight,
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Agreed 100%. I don't care how much America likes Football, fuck this disgusting misogynist bullshit.
 
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ironmang

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After they not only didn't ban Penn State, but actually reduced the lame punishment they did give, I lost faith in the NCAA to do the right thing.
 
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hodayathink

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ArkhamFantasy said:
Whenever SMU repeatedly broke NCAA rules over and over and over again, the NCAA shut down their football program for a year. This caused a mass exodus of recruits and the program hasnt recovered in over 2 decades and never will.

This ban has since been known as "The death penalty".
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Slightly ironically, the closest they've come since then to enacting the death penalty at the D1 level is actually at Baylor (it was the basketball program, though, not football, and that had to do with coaches lying about the circumstances of the murder of a player by another player).
 
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TheWasTheJoke

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hodayathink said:
Slightly ironically, the closest they've come since then to enacting the death penalty at the D1 level is actually at Baylor (it was the basketball program, though, not football, and that had to do with coaches lying about the circumstances of the murder of a player by another player).
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Jesus Christ American College Sports

The culture seems absolutely shocking
 
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Night Angel

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TheWasTheJoke said:
Jesus Christ American College Sports

The culture seems absolutely shocking
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These things are the exception rather than the norm, which is why this is newsworthy.

The NCAA's pathetic punishments doesn't really reflect on America or the general sports watching community as a whole.

Shut them down if even only a little of this is true.
 
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Unknown Soldier

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The NCAA is deathly afraid of ever using the death penalty ever again after what happened to SMU. They didn't even do it to Penn State who harbored a pedophile for decades. At this point the NCAA knows they are a paper tiger, and so does Baylor.
 
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moffattron9000

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Death penalty (for the program) is harsh, but if it's not warranted here I don't know that it ever can be.
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Won't happen. The rule requires them to be on probation, then commit another infraction. That's why SMU got it for doing what everyone does, but Penn State didn't for fucking pedophillia.
 
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Grug

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Feel kinda dirty recommending films in here considering the subject matter but there has been a bit of side discussion here about the repeat violator/death penalty clause. The ESPN 30 for 30 documentary "Pony Excess" is a pretty entertaining and well made documentary about the SMU scandal leading up to the death penalty and beyond. Well worth a watch.
 
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Silphonica

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Just out of sheer genuine curiosity. To everyone here who said this warrants the death penalty, would any of you condone torture in these circumstances, it could be argued that death would be too easy.
 
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ConfusingJazz

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Baylor needs to get nuked, and those in administration need to be arrested. This is fucking sad, and the second time they have had institutional felonies. They don't deserve an athletic program.

ArkhamFantasy said:
Whenever SMU repeatedly broke NCAA rules over and over and over again, the NCAA shut down their football program for a year. This caused a mass exodus of recruits and the program hasnt recovered in over 2 decades and never will.

This ban has since been known as "The death penalty".
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I am going to have to disagree with this. SMU went from sucking, to being good while cheating, to sucking again.

The only reason they had been good after World War II was because they cheated.

Hell, both seasons before the Death Penalty, they only went 6-5! The Death Penalty worked the way it was intended! They played better 3 years after the death penalty than the first three seasons under Ron Meyer.
 
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Silphonica said:
Just out of sheer genuine curiosity. To everyone here who said this warrants the death penalty, would any of you condone torture in these circumstances, it could be argued that death would be too easy.
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What? To be clear, when people refer to the death penalty, they're not talking about legal punishment but referring to the ultimate punishment the NCAA can hand out to the school itself, which is completely shut down their football program for a certain period of time, which is colloquially known as the "death penalty" because of how devastating it is to the program of the schools that receive it, not actually killing those involved. The actual legal punishment those involved should face is a completely different discussion
 
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Silphonica

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What? To be clear, when people refer to the death penalty, they're not talking about legal punishment but referring to the ultimate punishment the NCAA can hand out to the school itself, which is completely shut down their football program for a certain period of time, which is colloquially known as the "death penalty" because of how devastating it is to the program of the schools that receive it, not actually killing those involved. The actual legal punishment those involved should face is a completely different discussion
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Lmao.

That isnt confusing at all, my bad then. Although maybe not call it something that half the country still has legalised. :p
 
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Fuchsdh

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They can probably hammer Baylor with failure to investigate per Title IX, but the vast majority of the Jane Doe suit looks like he-said she-said. The best option for corroborating at least some of it would be to try and track the alleged hush money payments from the university to the victim they mention. There has to be a money trail for that, and absent of wrongdoing I don't see why the university would have paid it.
 
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HariKari

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Fuchsdh said:
They can probably hammer Baylor with failure to investigate per Title IX, but the vast majority of the Jane Doe suit looks like he-said she-said. The best option for corroborating at least some of it would be to try and track the alleged hush money payments from the university to the victim they mention. There has to be a money trail for that, and absent of wrongdoing I don't see why the university would have paid it.
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Big time programs have turned payments and hush money into an art form, so the investigators have their work cut out for them.
 
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hodayathink

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moffattron9000 said:
Won't happen. The rule requires them to be on probation, then commit another infraction. That's why SMU got it for doing what everyone does, but Penn State didn't for fucking pedophillia.
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Technically, it allows that you have been on probation in another sport, and it allows a little bit of a time period between them. Given that these accusations go back a bit, and they were on probation for basketball until something like 2010 I believe, they may be eligible for it.
 
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Shadynasty

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According to the article Baylor had previously settled with two other women for $, free education, and a non disclosure agreement. How much you want to bet this ends in something similar and at most NCAA gives Baylor a hefty $$$ slap on the wrist.
 
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Sky Chief

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To me the most shocking part is that 52 acts we're committed by 31 individuals so it's obvious that the same perpetrators were assaulting women over and over with impunity
 
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timetokill

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Shadynasty said:
According to the article Baylor had previously settled with two other women for $, free education, and a non disclosure agreement. How much you want to bet this ends in something similar and at most NCAA gives Baylor a hefty $$$ slap on the wrist.
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Year I just saw that. That's institutional, meaning death penalty should absolutely be on the table.
 
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Shadynasty

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timetokill said:
Year I just saw that. That's institutional, meaning death penalty should absolutely be on the table.
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The question is will the NCAA do it on there own or will it take a massive public outcry after this goes to court. Everyone in that program needs to be out of a job for sure.
 
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Frozenprince

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Sky Chief said:
To me the most shocking part is that 52 acts we're committed by 31 individuals so it's obvious that the same perpetrators were assaulting women over and over with impunity
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One player raped a woman at Sam Houston State, Baylor knew about it, and they still allowed him to come to the team and play.

He then raped another woman at Baylor.
 
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SirClinksAlot

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I made the mistake of going to some Baylor message boards and of course there is anger over all of this, except its anger because they think people are out to get them and their program....fucking scum.
 
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