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666 on tax form causes Christian worker to quit his job

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Takamura-San

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Stumpokapow said:
no 13th floor in a lot of us buildings either
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Life finds a way.

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Duane Cunningham

Duane Cunningham

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Huh, after reading a little Wikipedia, it sounds like the whole concept of that verse in Revelations was just to be a political hit piece on Emperor Nero...
 
ElRenoRaven

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Well I have to give it to the company. They've certainly bent over backward for the guy and even still want to higher him back. Course he seems quick to quit a lot. Why not talk to them first before you quit if it's that important to you? As they show they're probably willing to work with you.

Stumpokapow said:
no 13th floor in a lot of us buildings either
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You know that's just sad too. I actually have my luckiest days every Friday the 13th. Not kidding. I've never had one that something good didn't happen to me. So for me 13 isn't bad one bit.
 
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News Bot

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Dunk#7 said:
How does a name "transliterate" into a number as indicated in your quote? Just not sure how you get a number from a Hebrew name

I am just talking about the exact number being spelled out in the Bible. It wasn't related to Nero in the Bible. The number was just written out plainly in the script.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria

Some things don't carry over in translations. In this case, it's both 666 and 616. It just depends on whether you're transliterating from Greek or Latin and ignoring how the text was originally written (numbers representing letters).

Many researchers connect the "Number of the Beast", referred to in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament, with either Greek or Hebrew gematria as used by the early Christians. According to such interpretations, the number in question, 666, was originally derived via gematria from the name of the Roman emperor of the time, Nero Caesar (נרונקסר Nero Qasr).
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Mario

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UpperCaseN said:
religious or not, after 3 times, makes you wonder
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People are exposed to dozens, even hundreds, of numbers and number sequences every day.

It doesn't matter what 3 digits the number of the beast is because he'd come across it both eventually and repeatedly.
 
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t-ramp

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Duane Cunningham said:
Huh, after reading a little Wikipedia, it sounds like the whole concept of that verse in Revelations was just to be a political hit piece on Emperor Nero...
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So, hang on, the writer of Revelation essentially claimed Nero was the Antichrist? Why the fuck do people believe this shit?
 
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CornBurrito

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Ash Sparrow said:
This is his belief, I personally would not want to be associated with that number. I do buy chinese food though. To attck this belief only shows some of you as narrow minded as you are.
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What is your opinion of fan death?

And how is attacking this belief narrow minded? There's no evidence I know of that supports the idea that an arbitrary arrangement of man-made symbols on a piece of paper can bring about disaster. Not counting misuses of math.

edit: LOL. After going through your post history I see that you are turned off when people say they are agnostic. A position of "I don't know" makes you upset. You're the narrow minded one. Your definition of narrow minded is hilarious as it seems to be "anyone that doesnt share my faith based beliefs."

PsychoRaven said:
You know that's just sad too. I actually have my luckiest days every Friday the 13th. Not kidding. I've never had one that something good didn't happen to me. So for me 13 isn't bad one bit.
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So basically you think the "13 is unlucky" superstition is bullshit, because of a "13 is lucky" superstition?
 
Duane Cunningham

Duane Cunningham

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t-ramp said:
So, hang on, the writer of Revelation essentially claimed Nero was the Antichrist? Why the fuck do people believe this shit?
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Yeah, I'm not a biblical scholar or anything, but essentially as I understand it:

-Revelations was written in about 90-100 AD

-It was written in Greek, not Hebrew

-Chapter 13 describes two beasts, the first of which has seven heads and seems to be a metaphor for various roman emperors of the time, seeing as it's inscribed with various "blasphemous names" which happen to be the same as titles given to current and past Caesars like "Lord and Savior" or "Savior of the World". Evidently, that practice really pissed off Christians of that time.

-The part where "666" actually comes into play is the end of the part about the first beast, and it's kind of phrased like a riddle: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

That's the accepted translation, anyway. The actual Greek word for the part that says "count" is psefisato, which really kind of means "to reckon" or "decide". In other words, the author is saying "take this number and figure out what it means".

Meanwhile the Hebrew practice of assigning numbers to syllables, names, etc, when applied to Nero's name (Neron Claudius Caesar Augustus) adds up to... you guessed it. Six hundred threescore and six.

Nero's reign (and life) had just wrapped up recently, and he was unpopular among early Christians, to say the least.
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
In July 2011, the company changed time clock systems, and once again Slonopas got 666. This time he quit. The company apologized and he returned to work a few days later.

This latest incident with the W-2 baffled company spokesman LaCourciere. He could not believe it had happened again.

“I am completely at a loss for words,” he said.
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Can't deny it, got a little creepy tingle.
 
Flying Toaster

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Duane Cunningham said:
Yeah, I'm not a biblical scholar or anything, but essentially as I understand it:

-Revelations was written in about 90-100 AD

-It was written in Greek, not Hebrew

-Chapter 13 describes two beasts, the first of which has seven heads and seems to be a metaphor for various roman emperors of the time, seeing as it's inscribed with various "blasphemous names" which happen to be the same as titles given to current and past Caesars like "Lord and Savior" or "Savior of the World". Evidently, that practice really pissed off Christians of that time.

-The part where "666" actually comes into play is the end of the part about the first beast, and it's kind of phrased like a riddle: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

That's the accepted translation, anyway. The actual Greek word for the part that says "count" is psefisato, which really kind of means "to reckon" or "decide". In other words, the author is saying "take this number and figure out what it means".

Meanwhile the Hebrew practice of assigning numbers to syllables, names, etc, when applied to Nero's name (Neron Claudius Caesar Augustus) adds up to... you guessed it. Six hundred threescore and six.

Nero's reign (and life) had just wrapped up recently, and he was unpopular among early Christians, to say the least.
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Neogaf... teachin bible history one thread at a time.
 
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Soriku

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Duane Cunningham said:
Yeah, I'm not a biblical scholar or anything, but essentially as I understand it:

-Revelations was written in about 90-100 AD

-It was written in Greek, not Hebrew

-Chapter 13 describes two beasts, the first of which has seven heads and seems to be a metaphor for various roman emperors of the time, seeing as it's inscribed with various "blasphemous names" which happen to be the same as titles given to current and past Caesars like "Lord and Savior" or "Savior of the World". Evidently, that practice really pissed off Christians of that time.

-The part where "666" actually comes into play is the end of the part about the first beast, and it's kind of phrased like a riddle: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

That's the accepted translation, anyway. The actual Greek word for the part that says "count" is psefisato, which really kind of means "to reckon" or "decide". In other words, the author is saying "take this number and figure out what it means".

Meanwhile the Hebrew practice of assigning numbers to syllables, names, etc, when applied to Nero's name (Neron Claudius Caesar Augustus) adds up to... you guessed it. Six hundred threescore and six.

Nero's reign (and life) had just wrapped up recently, and he was unpopular among early Christians, to say the least.
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So, if this is true...people have been freaking out for 2000 years over a dead guy?

Or maybe Zombie Nero will come back to take over the world one day...
 
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Tuck

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Madness said:
My response is so what? Let the guy do what he wants. I've seen people not buy great houses because of the number on it, etc.

Wait till you visit a place like India and see the devotion some people shown for religion.

See its one thing of he saw 666 on someone else's form and purposely had him audited, but are we going to criticize religion and what other people do because we don't believe in it?

I'm not religious, I'm not superstitious, I won't insult others for it.
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Religion is not an excuse for stupid behaviour, contrary to popular opinion. And boy, this is really stupid behaviour.
 
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Dunk#7

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Duane Cunningham said:
Yeah, I'm not a biblical scholar or anything, but essentially as I understand it:

-Revelations was written in about 90-100 AD

-It was written in Greek, not Hebrew

-Chapter 13 describes two beasts, the first of which has seven heads and seems to be a metaphor for various roman emperors of the time, seeing as it's inscribed with various "blasphemous names" which happen to be the same as titles given to current and past Caesars like "Lord and Savior" or "Savior of the World". Evidently, that practice really pissed off Christians of that time.

-The part where "666" actually comes into play is the end of the part about the first beast, and it's kind of phrased like a riddle: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

That's the accepted translation, anyway. The actual Greek word for the part that says "count" is psefisato, which really kind of means "to reckon" or "decide". In other words, the author is saying "take this number and figure out what it means".

Meanwhile the Hebrew practice of assigning numbers to syllables, names, etc, when applied to Nero's name (Neron Claudius Caesar Augustus) adds up to... you guessed it. Six hundred threescore and six.

Nero's reign (and life) had just wrapped up recently, and he was unpopular among early Christians, to say the least.
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If it was penned in Greek then why use a Hebrew system for relating that number to a name?

There is nothing other than conjecture linking that number to Nero

Everything looks different in hindsight.

Six hundred, three score, and six could mean a number of different things.
 
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ChiTownBuffalo

Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
I don't understand why people take Revelations literally.

I'm a born again Christian and never have I once tried to find hidden meanings in that particular book of the Bible. Most of the time I read it, I'm just confused as to why it was even included at all. Eschatology has never really captured any attention from me in understanding my faith, maybe that's why.
 
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Something Wicked

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I left alone
My mind was blank
I needed time to think to get the memories from my mind

What did I see?
Can I beliiiiieve?
That what I saw that night was real and not just fantasy

Just what I saw
In my old dreams
Were they reflections of my warped mind staring back at me?

'Cos in my dream
It's always there
The evil face that twists my mind
and brings me to despaaaaaair!
 
Duane Cunningham

Duane Cunningham

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Soriku said:
So, if this is true...people have been freaking out for 2000 years over a dead guy?

Or maybe Zombie Nero will come back to take over the world one day...
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Well, oddly enough, that was the exact fear that fueled some of this:

After Nero's suicide in 68, there was a widespread belief, especially in the eastern provinces, that he was not dead and somehow would return. This belief came to be known as the Nero Redivivus Legend.

The legend of Nero's return lasted for hundreds of years after Nero's death. Augustine of Hippo wrote of the legend as a popular belief in 422.

At least three Nero impostors emerged leading rebellions. The first, who sang and played the cithara or lyre and whose face was similar to that of the dead emperor, appeared in 69 during the reign of Vitellius. After persuading some to recognize him, he was captured and executed. Sometime during the reign of Titus (79–81), another impostor appeared in Asia and sang to the accompaniment of the lyre and looked like Nero but he, too, was killed. Twenty years after Nero's death, during the reign of Domitian, there was a third pretender. He was supported by the Parthians, who only reluctantly gave him up, and the matter almost came to war.
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Duane Cunningham

Duane Cunningham

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Dunk#7 said:
If it was penned in Greek then why use a Hebrew system for relating that number to a name?

There is nothing other than conjecture linking that number to Nero

Everything looks different in hindsight.

Six hundred, three score, and six could mean a number of different things.
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Just because Hebrew traditions were involved, does that mean that it had to be written in Hebrew instead of the era's more prominent language? I mean, the tradition (germatria) is still in use today... 18 is a Jewish "lucky number" because "chai" (meaning life, as in l'chaim: "to life") adds up to 18. That doesn't mean every book on the subject at Barnes & Noble has to be in Hebrew instead of English.

You can call it conjecture if you want, but Nero's name adds up to 666 in germatria. And it was written somewhere between 70 and 95 AD, right after Nero's death, in a time when the group of people writing this book really really hated his guts and thought he'd come back or wasn't really dead.

And a "score" is twenty years, just ask Abraham Lincoln. Not that it matters, since none of it would be translated to English until the late 1300's, over a thousand years later.
 
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