You're not the only one, but meybe they are downgrading the models for 8p mode?, like they did for the 3DS version.
8 player mutiplayer Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Announced
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You're not the only one, but meybe they are downgrading the models for 8p mode?, like they did for the 3DS version.
For the record, when I say "unnatural" I ought to specify that I'm referring to some of the relatively awkward-looking attempts at doing realistic looking textures. Mario's overalls is probably the most egregious example.
It looks weird, and combine that with the weird color palette Brawl had it always looked like it tried too much for a realistic angle. They were also pretty inconsistent between characters. Smash 4 not only looks a lot cleaner but is overall more consistent in having everyone look like they fit.
Exploding8
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Care to explain the technical reasons that state 4 extra players must certainly cause significant performance issues that must have required them to skimp on graphics to enable 8 player local multiplayer? Because I don't know much about these sorts of things, but it seems like it wouldn't be hard to do for something like super smash brothers, since you only have to render one stage and adding 4 players doesn't add much that has to be rendered. As opposed to Mario kart, where each player has to have their part of the track rendered, which is why it makes sense that it goes down to 30fps when there's four player splitscreen.
Well isnt pretty obvious?, 4p models could have twice the polygons.
akidnamededdy
Banned
8 players would have been insane with Ice Climbers...
Chuckpebble
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Super Smash Brothers Bedlam
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Oh my friends and I are already planning eight player Rosalina Luma games
Not75Drops
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Do we know if the framerate takes a hit?
Davey Cakes
Member
Between me and my friends we have, like, 10 controllers at least.
People posting about their lack of friends is kind of depressing.
Nintendo caters to groups of players as much as single players. Providing the option of 5-8 player Smash is amazing of them. It's also not unreasonable to believe that much of the game's audience are social gamer types that will have enough friends to cover the bases.
And even for those that can't get 8 people, there's the option for bots.
This is a fantastic feature.
ShadowSoldier89
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1 Gamepad, 1 Wii U Pro, 3 Classic Controller Pro, 2 Gamecube, and I ordered teh smash bundle with the adapter and the new smash GC controller
fucking good to go, lets do this
fucking good to go, lets do this
Davey Cakes
Member
Not Nintendo's problem, dude.
CrunchyFrog
Member
Yeah that's news to me as well. We've been missing out on some cool game ideas if they've been keeping this under wraps from 3rd parties.
Ivan el Trolazo
Banned
maybe it was a typo? because the balance board was player 4, the lights are always 1 to 4, the home screen is 1 to 4....probably it will be wiimotes + wii u pros = max 4...
For the record, when I say "unnatural" I ought to specify that I'm referring to some of the relatively awkward-looking attempts at doing realistic looking textures. Mario's overalls is probably the most egregious example.
It looks weird, and combine that with the weird color palette Brawl had it always looked like it tried too much for a realistic angle. They were also pretty inconsistent between characters. Smash 4 not only looks a lot cleaner but is overall more consistent in having everyone look like they fit.
I get what you're saying. Just seems there's this hive mind these days to shit on brawl's texture work.
Brawl Mario Imo, I thought look much better with the denim overalls and Dark colors compared to Smash 4 in gameplay.
I thought Brawl's goal of going towards the more grounded approach in character design was a step in the right direction coming from Melee's vision in pushing the characters that had more detail compared to most games at the time.
People say there's more coherency in Smash 4. But there was also consistency in Brawl as well. At least in Brawl there was a tendency in giving characters added detailed across the board. If Brawl would have been given the HD graphics and lighting treatment it would looked good just as well.
shouamabane
Member
I get what you're saying. Just seems there's this hive mind these days to shit on brawl's texture work.
Brawl Mario Imo, I thought look much better with the denim overalls and Dark colors compared to Smash 4 in gameplay.
I thought Brawl's goal of going towards the more grounded approach in character design was a step in the right direction coming from Melee's vision in pushing the characters that had more detail compared to most games at the time.
People say there's more coherency in Smash 4. But there was also consistency in Brawl as well. At least in Brawl there was a tendency in giving characters added detailed across the board. If Brawl would have been given the HD graphics and lighting treatment it would looked good just as well.
Nope.
I don't think it's as simple as that when you consider all the effects, background elements, assist trophies, etc. that are going on at the same time. Maybe they could've bumped it a bit but I doubt it'd be a significant amount. Even if it did detract from the graphics I'd rather see new gameplay ideas than slightly spruced up graphics.
APZonerunner
Member
There's usually 10 to 12 of us when we have gaming nights, so 8 player Smash is a godsend for me and my friends. It'll be chaos, but by the time Smash gets put on we're all usually very drunk anyway - and as such we won't care about the chaos (or indeed if the framerate drops a bit).
I get what you're saying. Just seems there's this hive mind these days to shit on brawl's texture work.
Brawl Mario Imo, I thought look much better with the denim overalls and Dark colors compared to Smash 4 in gameplay.
I thought Brawl's goal of going towards the more grounded approach in character design was a step in the right direction coming from Melee's vision in pushing the characters that had more detail compared to most games at the time.
People say there's more coherency in Smash 4. But there was also consistency in Brawl as well. At least in Brawl there was a tendency in giving characters added detailed across the board. If Brawl would have been given the HD graphics and lighting treatment it would looked good just as well.
I think Melee looks a bit awkward as well but it moves fast enough that you don't really pay attention to most of the finer details, and in Melee's defense that was a game made back before a lot of those characters would receive a definitive and more detailed sixth-generation "design" (a lot of Smash 64's models were lifted/inspired/updated from existing 3D models, with a few exceptions, while Melee didn't have that). Brawl updated most models to eventually accommodate, but still tried to add a lot of seemingly superfluous detail to make it look like a game that could measure with stronger, competitive hardware.
I'm not denying that Brawl looks good though because it's still a pretty Wii game. I just think that Smash 4's vibe feels more "definitive" as a Smash game. That's not just in terms of looks but also the whole general setup. Brawl's "grittier" approach (for lack of a better description) extended itself to the Subspace Emissary and even it's original soundtrack, with a rather out-of-place main theme. Meanwhile Smash 4 has a lot more crossover levity and feels like it's having more fun, with a more action packed theme and some awesome, occasionally silly character trailers that make full use of the crossover spirit.
This is going to be great. I usually have more than 3 people around whenever I invite folks over to play video games, so that means no more passing around the controller.
And across GCN, Wii and Wii U, it's not that uncommon to have a total of 8 controllers. I'll be getting the Smash adapter to use my 3 GCN controllers. Hype.
And across GCN, Wii and Wii U, it's not that uncommon to have a total of 8 controllers. I'll be getting the Smash adapter to use my 3 GCN controllers. Hype.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Waiting for dat Zelda FSA 2.
If that day comes, I will cry. FSA is the secret nearly best Zelda game.
Really, i never had gaming friends. Always played it alone, no one to even talk about it.
Everytime i have friends in my home they ask me to show the new games. But (taking MK8 as an exemple) i cant play with em because i would win every single race without effort.
(but as i remember now.... i did had a lot of friends over to play nintendoland.... Animal Crossing sweet day was the most popular atraction)
Have you thought about Team Battles? Handicaps? Items on max? Man, Smash is designed to deal with this issue so well. Now that it's got 8 players, it's 10x easier to think up fair battles. I'm really good at Smash and I've never had a problem with this. Even with new players. With items on, I even lose most of the time because I'm too caught up trying to do trick shots with the items that I end up suiciding all my stocks away.
stan423321
Member
What you do with Smash newbies is co-op team battles, against bots if you have no one else to play with. Unlike races, this isn't significantly different from regular gameplay. Then they get better, really.
Nintendojitsu
Banned
Beautiful.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I need to watch a 4v4 smash tourney now...
based Sakurai
If it did not run well at 8 players. We would've gotten 6 instead or nothing at all. These are the same devs that cut the Ice Climbers because the 3DS version could not run them well. So it is likely they would've disposed of this mode if it did not run up to their standards consistently.
I am not at all surprised that it runs superbly.
I am not at all surprised that it runs superbly.
TheRealTalker
Banned
I so want to do this but I need two slots for the external hard drive/y cable
don't have a WiiU yet but there are only 4 usb ports... which was really fine with me but this new addition
...things I never knew I wanted
If it did not run well at 8 players. We would've gotten 6 instead or nothing at all. These are the same devs that cut the Ice Climbers because the 3DS version could not run them well. So it is likely they would've disposed of this mode if it did not run up to their standards consistently.
I am not at all surprised that it runs superbly.
The gamexplain videos of 8-player look great but I doubt YouTube has a 60fps version sooooo.
Davey Cakes
Member
To be honest, I'm just really impressed.
For those who want to go digital but are worried about the HDD.
You could always move all your other digital stuff to an HDD and keep only Smash Bros on the internal 32GB.
That way when you want to play 8 players, you can just unplug the HDD and run SSB4 off the Wii U internal memory. I doubt the game will take up more than 25GB so there will be plenty of space.
All the people who got to play said it was smooth all the way through.
tim_pkmn89
Member
Holy shit O_O Amazing. Can't wait to play. My friends and I are still going to have to take turns though since there are 10 of us total that play Smash!