real_slime
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This is the first Oscars competition where I've thought most of the films nominated in the main categories are mostly respectable and decent. I've seen most of them, too. It's almost like movies are being made for adults.
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86th Academy Awards |OT| of tripping
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DrForester
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Mendzel is going to be the highlight of the evening.
Followed closely by a new loser Leo face.
Followed closely by a new loser Leo face.
And Cuba Gooding Jr.(remember him?) in Jerry Maguire and Morgan Freeman in Million Dollar Baby.
RatskyWatsky
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Yeah, Frozen has all the momentum right now. I just can't see it losing.
oipic
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I'm in the camp that firmly believes JLaw has some serious acting chops, but I agree - there were stronger performances this year.
Much saltiness will be avoided - it's Lupita's award, I think.
breakfuss
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Well, yeah, of course there have been wins unrelated to slavery/race. I get what you mean, though. I certainly felt The Help nominations (and subsequent win) were undeserved. I cringed when the audience gave Octavia Spencer a standing ovation.
Just finished watching Captain Philips. Now look, I love Time as much as anyone, but how in the hell did it make into yet another movie this year?! Hans Zimmer is not credited for the score but I know goddamned Time when I hear it.
Tim the Wiz
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Isn't the Best Picture category done by preferential voting these days (hence the Argo win last year)? It's probably more likely that a worthy crowd-pleaser like Gravity or even American Hustle wins over a more demanding film like 12 Years A Slave. I can see a lot of voters putting those first two down as second or third choices. Talk of a clean sweep seems improbable.
smokeandmirrors
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I want Her to win everything it's nominated for but alas I doubt that'll come to fruition.
Gravity sweeps everything technical.
Cuaron and Lubezki finally get their overdue wins.
JLaw wins for no reason and people will be mad.
Gravity sweeps everything technical.
Cuaron and Lubezki finally get their overdue wins.
JLaw wins for no reason and people will be mad.
Charles Foster Kane
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All the people making predictions should participate in the Oscar pool.
Absolutely. It was almost as cringe worthy as Bullock's win.
Absolutely. It was almost as cringe worthy as Bullock's win.
Barely.
I mean I agree with you that it almost only happens in slave docus or some sort of struggle but award season has always been a joke regardless
Its for people to pat themselves on the back and feel like they did something good for society.
RatskyWatsky
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Already done!
PsihoPerihelion
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That's the one reason I want this season to be over. I can't stand the white guilt card every Oscar blogger is trying to play to justify the win of one film that comes from a fantastic auteur like McQueen, but they make it all about race, race and race.
Is Gravity a movie about chicano austronauts on space dealing with the jupiter frontier? Nope, is a universal film that everyone can praise and enjoy for what it is. That's why I'm so proud of my fellow latin-american director Alfonso Cuarón. He's getting the prize for the amazing quality of the movie, not because "it's time for a black man to win," "it's time to recognize slavery was bad" (I swear I read this from a blogger and holy shit, like we need a selfish award to know this shit was bad) or Sasha "childish delusional grandma" Stone saying that 12 Years winning would clean all the sins made to black people or that other guy saying "if 12 Years loses, all is lost." Fuck them. Fuck them for trying to put guilt and race between this. If 12 Years gets enough votes to win, I hope those votes come from people championing the film for being a masterpiece for many (I did not like the movie at all, btw) and not because some rich white asshole from Hollywood thinks "my black maid Narisha is gonna feel good if I vote for that n*gro movie she so much talks about"
As others have said, certainly, but those roles definitely seem to be good for a nomination. Others not mentioned are Jamie Foxx in Ray, Halle Berry in Monster, Forrest Whitaker in Last King of Scottland, Louis Gossett, Jr. in An Officer and a Gentleman, Sidney Portier in Lilies in a Field, Jennifer Hudson in Dream Girls, Monique in Precious.
Edit: And to be fair, Hattie McDaniel, Octavia Spencer and Denzel Washington are the only black actors/actresses to win for playing a servant/slave on film.
smokeandmirrors
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Ah awesome. Thanks. I'll remove my crap then.
soundscream
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Denzel Washington- Training Day
Morgan Freeman- Million Dollar Baby
Cuba Gooding JR- Jerry McGuire
Jamie Foxx- Ray
Sidney Poitier- Lilies of the Field
Forest Whitaker- Last King of Scotland
Louis Gossett, Jr- An officer and a Gentleman
Whoopi Goldberg- Ghost
Jennifer Hudson- Dream Girls
Only 5 wins were for race/slavery Glory, Gone with the Wind, The Help, Precious and Monster's Ball
Nope, he's never won.
The only black winners are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_Academy_Award_winners_and_nominees
Best Actor:
Sidney Portier - Lilies of the Field
Denzel Washington - Training Day
Jamie Foxx - Ray
Forest Whitaker - The Last King of Scottland
Best Supporting Actor:
Halle Berry - Monster's Ball
Supporting Actor:
Louis Gossett, Jr. - An Officer and a Gentleman
Denzel Washington - Glory
Cuba Gooding, Jr. - Jerry Maguire
Morgan Freeman - Million Dollar Baby
Supporting Actress:
Hattie McDaniel - Gone with the Wind
Whoopie Goldberg - Ghost
Jennifer Hudson - Dreamgirls
Mo'Nique - Precious
Octavia Spencer - The Help
Kind of a depressing list when you look at it. Not only is it painfully small, but the roles that ultimately won are nowhere near the best roles played by black actors/actresses.
Edit: I missed the racism and/or slavery part. The racism aspect definitely changes things
WhereAreMahDragonz
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I'm sad that I'm going to miss the red carpet coverage
Someone please post pics
Someone please post pics
DragonKnight
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Okay. Good. I feel much better now. I still am ready to move away from the slave/racist motif.
Tim the Wiz
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Agree with all of this. Although I'd say it doesn't need any white guilt card played in its favour because it speaks for itself as an excellent film. It's basically an art film that's been hijacked by an oversimplified marketing campaign targeted at a demographic thought to eat up the 'prestige' angle. Well, I guess that (read: award season attention) was the price of getting it made via the auspices of Brad Pitt's production company. McQueen will be fine whatever happens tonight though, especially if he delivers on that HBO series he's working on.
soundscream
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I get the feeling this image might be relevant for tonight.
I do think DiCaprio's performance is oscar worthy, definitely. I mean the scene with the Lemmons was just fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr3151RdQWE
But I'm not sure if he can beat out the McConaissance tonight.
I do think DiCaprio's performance is oscar worthy, definitely. I mean the scene with the Lemmons was just fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr3151RdQWE
But I'm not sure if he can beat out the McConaissance tonight.
ChosenPredator
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Poor leo somehow its never his year
friskykillface
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Leo will win
you'll see
but I predict another L
you'll see
but I predict another L
DrForester
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Should have to wait till he's 60-70 for his pitty Oscar.
He's the new Scorcese. Give him another 40 years.
symphonask
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People talking about Leo when Robert Redford has never won an Oscar.
Messofanego
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Singling him out like that must be a lot of pressure.
I always suspected that this interview was why he wound up not being nominated all that much for Shame, even after it seemed like a foregone conclusion at the time. To embarrass an entire room of other filmmakers like that is sure to catch the wrong kind of attention, even if it was a good question to ask. Jason Reitman alone looked like he was told he had some incurable disease or something.
DrForester
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The thing about Leo, is that he's never been robbed an Oscar. He's an average actor, and every year he's nominated there are many better nominees.
For best foreign film it will be, but it was eligible for all the normal ones this time, so don't expect it to win.
I agree that he has never been robbed, don't agree with him being average though. The breadth of his films in the last few years has been interesting and he has mostly pulled it off very well everytime.
Pretty much. Just because someone's performance is good enough for an Oscar doesn't mean they deserve to win it when there's 4 other nominees.
I think it's possible, but I'd have to think that France is more likely to submit something else, as the hype for the film will have assuredly died down by the time it would matter.
I haven't seen the Fugitive, but somehow I doubt Tommy Lee Jones put in a better performance than Leo did in What's Eating Gilbert Grape.
ViewtifulJC
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I actually thought Wolf was Leo's best performance yet, but the McConaugisance can not be stopped at this point. Academy loves for actors to show their work, and they go ga-ga for actors "transforming" themselves for The Craft.
It's all subjective obviously, but there's a strong argument that that's TLJ's most iconic role ever. Also, he wasn't going to beat Ralph Fiennes that year anyway.
Bobby Roberts
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McConnaissance, and he's likely going to win the award because people like him on True Detective more than anything
Alright, I'm angry now.
I should stop watching the Oscars, everytime I get mad about movies that got nominated and movies that didn't. :lol
Russel got nominated for best director, for crying out loud, but Kechiche didn't. Bullshit.
Alright i'm done talking about American Hustle. Unless it wins something.
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