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[StreetsofBeige]

It gets to a point the human eye cant tell the difference in increased res, colours or frames. Everyone is going to be a bit different, but there is a limit.

It'll come down to whether or not tech gadget makers find something else important to work on, or push the envelope on things that wont matter anymore for sake of easiest thing to market.

I dont know what colour spectrum eyes can see. A google check says humans can see about 10M colours. I find it hard to believe it's even that high. But lets say that's true, what would a TV or game system technically churning out 1 billion colours matter if humans max out at 10M? Who knows.

 

[HL3.exe]

Its not about 'not seeing it' as far as I know. Its about the immense amount of wasted compute on a resolution That's hardly distinctive from 4k when further away on a couch.

The wasted resources to spend on a stable running 8k without barely any benefits and forgoing other possible effects is not worth it + everything is upscaled from a lower internal res anyway. 4k isn't worth it either for the same reasons.

It's why DF calls this era 'post-resolution' which I agree with. Everything reaching 4k doesn't matter anymore. The difference in early generation where far more pronounced. Most people still use 1080p because of the high performance and they don't care. That's not the same case with 720p.

 

[Punished Miku]

I didnt realize 8k defense force was a real thing lol

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

4K with DLAA is fine with me.

8K just seems like a waste of computational power.

4K is already a very hefty and hungry target.

Hell most new PS5 titles don't seem to even hit 1080p.

 

[Preseznik]

Keep in mind that the UE5 8K texture demo was the biggest wow factor we have received so far this gen.

Which demo are you talking about?
In any case, a texture being "8k" has nothing at all to do with display resolutions?

if you mean something like this, it has no attribute which makes it significantly more impressive in 8k (it's plenty impressive in 4k):

 

[Zathalus]

Literally the exact same thing.

8K replacing 4K might still eventually happen but I’d wager the earliest it would be is the next decade. 16k probably won’t become mainstream, or at least not in the next 30 years.

 

[DanielG165]

8K won’t be a thing for quite some time. Pro videographers, cinematographers, directors, and photographers don’t bother using 8K because of how much of a waste it is. I’m sure game developers feel the same. Why waste precious time, resources, and budget on something that 99.9% of the human population won’t be able to perceive? Why do you think the vast majority of pro cameras are still on 6K?

For video games specifically, we’re still struggling to hit native 4K in highly intensive projects, having to instead rely on AI upscaling techniques to get there. Unless it’s a very graphically simple game, or something retro, 8K is a pipe dream at best, and useless resource hog in reality.

 

[bitbydeath]

Which demo are you talking about?
In any case, a texture being "8k" has nothing at all to do with display resolutions?

if you mean something like this, it has no attribute which makes it significantly more impressive in 8k (it's plenty impressive in 4k):

The lumen in the land of nanite video.
8K textures can be down sampled but we weren’t going to get them without 8K resolution.

 

[bitbydeath]

8K won’t be a thing for quite some time. Pro videographers, cinematographers, directors, and photographers don’t bother using 8K because of how much of a waste it is. I’m sure game developers feel the same. Why waste precious time, resources, and budget on something that 99.9% of the human population won’t be able to perceive? Why do you think the vast majority of pro cameras are still on 6K?

For video games specifically, we’re still struggling to hit native 4K in highly intensive projects, having to instead rely on AI upscaling techniques to get there. Unless it’s a very graphically simple game, or something retro, 8K is a pipe dream at best, and useless resource hog in reality.

GT7 is already confirmed to be 8K on the PS5 Pro.

 

[Doctor Hades]

GT7 is already confirmed to be 8K on the PS5 Pro.

But upscaled from a much lower base resolution, likely 1440p or so, using PSSR. So not really even 4K, never mind 8K.

 

[Lethal01]

I can't wait to get an 8k Oled and use it exclusively to emulate crt

 

[bitbydeath]

But upscaled from a much lower base resolution, likely 1440p or so, using PSSR. So not really even 4K, never mind 8K.

It’s already native 4K on the PS5 which is likely why it can reach 8K. The Pro likely pushes the base up to around 6K and the PSSR raises it to 8K.

 

[the_master]

16x and 64x will happen and we'll see the difference, but it is going to be less and less impactful. The power and processing power required keeps multiplying at the same rate though.

 

[DanielG165]

GT7 is already confirmed to be 8K on the PS5 Pro.

Not natively, which respectively, further supports my original point.

 

[Trilobit]

Until the graphics look like real life, we aren’t there.

I wish we get animations that look like real life before we get those graphics.

 

[Fahdis]

Why didn't you make this thread when the 4090 came out OP? Or is the glorious 8K only important when your favorite company does it just to scam you? Those journalists are retarded btw. Sit down with an 8K screen. And you will see no difference.

Here watch this video:

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Literally the exact same thing.

8K replacing 4K might still eventually happen but I’d wager the earliest it would be is the next decade. 16k probably won’t become mainstream, or at least not in the next 30 years.

This image is a very bad, and disingenuous example though.
60-600-6000 all require actual modeling to get those extra details, the 60000 example just has subdivision surface as a modifier on the base mesh. The artists didn't model any extra detail with the increased budget of polygons, could've made the lapels, tie and buttons complete objects for instance, instead of having them wholly merged/blended into bust.

 

[Zathalus]

This image is a very bad, and disingenuous example though.
60-600-6000 all require actual modeling to get those extra details, the 60000 example just has subdivision surface as a modifier on the base mesh. The artists didn't model any extra detail with the increased budget of polygons, could've made the lapels, tie and buttons complete objects for instance, instead of having them wholly merged/blended into bust.

It’s a simplistic example, but it works well enough to illustrate the point. Especially for a flat screen where the only thing increasing is pixel density.

 

[flying_sq]

Give me a GPU to run new games at 120fps, and movies mastered in 8k and then I will care about it.

 

[King Dazzar]

I'm on an 8k TV (bought it for the top tier luminance, not 8k). And native 8k does give sharper text on PC. Its subtle but definitely noticeable. But I prefer having 4k 120fps 444 set for desktop use. However its upscale of 4k content to the 8k panel is definitely a touch sharper/detailed than the other 4k 1:1 pixel mapped sets I have.

Even if GT7 offers an 8k mode. I'll still be using 4k on my 8k TV.

 

[Guilty_AI]

One element people overlook in these discussions is that you need more than just resolution increases to see any benefit. When 720p-1080p began rolling around, flat-screens were becoming mainstream, but before that you wouldn't have seen much benefit for it in CRTs. Similarly, there's a whole new array of technologies that benefit from 4k, be it things like OLED, larger screens or just higher contrast and color ranges.

For 8K - or 16K - to matter, we would need to start seeing other pieces of technology that would make it matter.

 

[Preseznik]

The lumen in the land of nanite video.
8K textures can be down sampled but we weren’t going to get them without 8K resolution.

N-no, textures resolutions do not work that way, has nothing to do with display resolution.
You'll never view an 8k texture filling up the entire display 1:1 pixel. Which would be the *only* scenario where this would matter.

 

[cireza]

Yeay, let's go to 8K and at the same time reconstruct images from 240p.

 

[darrylgorn]

Still waiting for the reason to give up 1080p 60fps.

Once I accepted that as my personal standard, gaming got a whole lot more fun.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Before moving to 8k there needs to be 8K content

99,99% of PC games can be played at 8k.

 

[makaveli60]

I would gladly play in 480p if it meant CG movie quality visuals from about 10 years ago. This resolution and fps obsession is why we can’t have nice things.

 

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[RCX]

I'd have been happy to stop at 1440p and just go all-in on a quest for perfect performance.

But big resolution number on box = more better for casuals I suppose.

 

[Jigsaah]

i can definitely tell the difference between 1080p and 4k. What's "peasant" on about?

 

[Roni]

Until the graphics look like real life, we aren’t there.

We need better input devices, better gameplay and better AI before we need to take another step in visual fidelity.

 

[bitbydeath]

Not natively, which respectively, further supports my original point.

Nobody does it natively unless it’s an indie.

 

[bitbydeath]

Why didn't you make this thread when the 4090 came out OP? Or is the glorious 8K only important when your favorite company does it just to scam you? Those journalists are retarded btw. Sit down with an 8K screen. And you will see no difference.

Here watch this video:

Because devs don’t give a shit about PC.

 

[bitbydeath]

N-no, textures resolutions do not work that way, has nothing to do with display resolution.
You'll never view an 8k texture filling up the entire display 1:1 pixel. Which would be the *only* scenario where this would matter.

I’d argue that demo showed the potential of 8K, even for those playing on 4K devices.

 

[bitbydeath]

Yeay, let's go to 8K and at the same time reconstruct images from 240p.

Because 240P is our current baseline resolution?

 

[bitbydeath]

i can definitely tell the difference between 1080p and 4k. What's "peasant" on about?

People say this with every resolution upgrade and some are saying it now about 8K.

 

[Vyse]

My old ass eyes really can't tell the difference between 1440p and 4k on my 65" OLED. The performance cost of rendering in 8K is not worth the visual fidelity increase when you can spend those GPU resources on something else, like ray tracing.

Get some glasses like the rest of us old farts.

 

[cireza]

Because 240P is our current baseline resolution?

We can go as low as 144p if your prefer. We need at least 1p.

 

[bitbydeath]

We can go as low as 144p if your prefer. We need at least 1p.

How bout no, and instead devs use 2880p or 3160p?

 

[Neilg]

8K isn't possible
Current high end cinema cameras all shoot at 4k and some at 6K downscaled to 4K
8k is just a waste of storage and compute power
Before moving to 8k there needs to be 8K content

Yep. We'll have real time AI upscaling in every TV before a good 8k production pipeline.

 

[DanielG165]

Nobody does it natively unless it’s an indie.

Okay so what’s your point, exactly? Why would we transition to 8K of any kind, when we still struggle to hit 4K of any kind in games today? It’s logistically nonsensical.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Because devs don’t give a shit about PC.

Then why they give 8k as an option in games???

 

[bitbydeath]

Okay so what’s your point, exactly? Why would we transition to 8K of any kind, when we still struggle to hit 4K of any kind in games today? It’s logistically nonsensical.

Because that’s how improvements work, we reach 4K native in certain games they can now work on the next milestone 8K.

8K won’t be for all games.

 

[bitbydeath]

Then why they give 8k as an option in games???

From the responses in here and other threads you would think they don’t.
Maybe it just comes down to affordability, and those who are against it simply can’t afford 8K screens.

 

[rodrigolfp]

you would think they don’t.

I am affirming. They do. When some don't, you can force it to go up to 8k or even more.

 

[XXL]

Imagine thinking that one day 8K won't be standard.....

We're not there yet, but it will be in the future. You would have to be a fucking idiot to think we're never surpassing 4K as the standard.

 

[Bojji]

I am affirming. They do. When some don't, you can force it to go up to 8k or even more.

And yet no option like that on consoles with big ass 8k marks on them

 

[rodrigolfp]

And yet no option like that on consoles with big ass 8k marks on them

Well, at least 1 game is 8k internally.

 

[Griffon]

Sure 8k displays will happens, but our games will just have a native res of 1440p or 4k and use super sampling for the remaining pixels, because at that point we wont even see the difference between native and that.

 

[Mercador]

For me, I prefer 1080@60 than 2160@30 and I will prefer 2160@60 than 4320@30. I've watched 4K and 8K tvs side by side and it's starting to be difficult to discern the difference. 720p and 1080p was evident and even 1080+ is quite evident as well. I guess perhaps my vision will adapt.

 

[Fahdis]

Because devs don’t give a shit about PC.

You must be either completely deluded or you really are just malignant with an agenda.