Sony steps away from 8K TVs – for now

Outside of VR I just don't see a practical use for consumer 8K, unless you live in a mansion or something and want a 100" TV.

Movie fans enjoy 4K because movies have pretty much always used 35mm film, and 4K is the limit of extracting all the detail in digital form.
 
Still rocking my 40" Toshiba lcd 3d tv. 👍😎

Makes for some pretty cool movie nights and been such a good purchase (and try streaming 3d movies, especially without an Apple vision 😬🙈)

But I would be the market for a 55-60" 3d tv using todays tech and screens. Either with eye tracking or cinema like passive glasses. (4K would be 1080p per eye)

Surely there must be some company out there thinking that people will bite ? (After 8k now looks to be at least 10 or more years away, from mass adoption or content)
 
MY STUPID ASS thought 4K was pretty common because I was given a free 4K monitor by my friend and I'm wondering why I can't run many games and then the recent Steam hardware survey said that I was part of the THREE percent. Then I bought a 1440p monitor this week.
 
Good, Sony should focus on framerate rather than resolution. And they need to abandon Android OS and port a scaled down version of the PS5 software for their smart TV OS.

Can bluray actually carry 8k movies? And Netflix would need a massive increase in bandwidth.
I'm not sure if the AV1 codec is up to the task, we might see a return of LaserDisc sized discs to guarantee capacity.
 
Judging by the comments I'm guessing not many of you have actually seen 8k tv in person, it's a huge difference from 4k, it almost looks like real life at times, and to those that are saying there is no content ai upscaling is thing now you know, hopefully we see 8k tvs at affordable prices in next 10 years.
 
There's currently no mainstream application for 8k tv's. We are also nearing the limit of what an average human eye can perceive in terms of resolution. This is somewhat similar with high resolution music formats going over the limit of human hearing.
From a gaming perspective. Next frontier should be image stability and frame rate increase at an affordable price level (consoles). Rock solid 60 fps should be bare minimum with all graphical bells n whistles options turned on. Moving forward. 30 fps should not exist.
 
Kinda happy to see this. Focus and make 4k a standard 1st.
Either way, 8K seems pointless.

Edit, wanted to expand a bit more.

4K is fairly flexible. You can get a wide range of small to large tvs to suit ya sitting arrangements. Tv prices at this resolution has also been pretty good.
If you're seeing pixels or screen door.. you're either space limited with a large tv or sitting too close. I can see 4k being the norm for a VERY long time to come.
 
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Worth noting, that when someone says 8K looks better than 4K they could very well just be saying something like ~5.5K looks better than 4K.

~5.5K for eg. is twice as many pixels as 4K, perhaps returns totally diminish around that point (or anywhere either side of it). 8K itself may technically be pointless in most real-world situations, but it's just a logical number to use for scaling and standardisation on a mainstream large display. It's perfectly reasonable to say that some intermediate point between 4K and 8K is where the returns totally diminish, especially with non-standard viewing distances and bigger displays. In which case an 8K display may be of benefit vs a 4K display, even if many or even most of the pixels aren't adding anything.

I do categorically disagree that an 8K display can't look better than 4K. I don't see any extra detail as such but there's an overall sense of presence that is significantly increased and with it a dissolution of the display and the pixel grid, leading to it feeling more like a window than an synthetic image. I'm sat in front of a 55" 4K OLED right now at a little over reference distance with some high quality, organic content and I'm still quite aware that I'm viewing it through an ordered grid of pixels, a kind of visual "digititus" or screen door. The 8K displays I've checked out while running quality content don't have that.

I'm not arguing it's practical now or should be a priority at this point, but that when it comes to these things increasing just as a matter of course and when other lower hanging fruit is addressed, I very much ere on the side of "enough overkill to ensure perfection, to cover edge cases and to eliminate doubt".
 
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"640k ought to be enough for anybody"... Sure, it may not be feasible right now, but damn...

This thread will age well.
 
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Yeah, you can't make costlier products hit by diminishing returns, for premium pricing, in an economy where everyone is worried about being able to afford groceries next week.

8K is utterly pointless with the content and media we have right now anyway. Sony has made the correct call.
It's a bit crazy but a lot of the content I still enjoy is 1080p. I'm glad I have a 4K telly for the games that are 1440p and the rare material in 4K. 8K is just out of the question
 
first the ps5.................

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Man... i wanted to play Indiana Jones on my PS5 Pro at 8K with Pathtracing and 60 FPS.
 
It's a bit crazy but a lot of the content I still enjoy is 1080p. I'm glad I have a 4K telly for the games that are 1440p and the rare material in 4K. 8K is just out of the question
Blu rays are 1080p and that's still enough for me when they're downsampled from a higher quality source (35mm film). 1080p native without any processing is rough for 3D.

In blu rays it's the scan quality that matters. In 3D games it's sort of similar. 1080p is actually fine if it's downscaled from a higher resolution (>125% native resolution in games that have that setting).

IMO upscaled, antialiased, and sharpened with DLSS 1080p (less detail than pure downscaling but no aliasing) is like 16mm film scans. Less detail than 35mm but it's watchable.

I played Senua's Sacrifice in 1080p and the experience felt very much like watching 16mm film with all the film grain and dirty lens effects. I didn't see the pixels. We have reached a point where resolution can be an artistic choice (see Lethal Company) and that's great.
 
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8K was my final destination.
8 means rich in Chinese.
8 is the lucky number.

But now, I started getting into 4K cause my certainty of an 8 future isn't so certain now.
4 means death in Chinese. :messenger_poop:

I am still banking on 8 in the distant future though. Jia you :messenger_peace:
 
The streaming services can barely provide decent 4k due to bandwidth constraints, 8k Television channels are also nonexistent for the same reason and gaming will not go noteworthy beyond 4k for another generation.

We'll get back to 8k TVs in a decade or so.
 
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SED's were in development before it ran into problems with patent trolling. I'm sure thin CRT's could've been a thing if LCD and Plasma (at the time) didn't take over.
the problem is that these are generally a myth. Nobody knows what drawbacks these would have
None exist
 
the problem is that these are generally a myth. Nobody knows what drawbacks these would have
None exist
They were in prototype and shown off in a lot of events and were about to be in mass production. These units were significantly lighter and close to your average flat screen TV's back in the day.

Shame because CRT's still offer way better motion clarity and static contrast than most LCD's to this day. Even with all the advancements in backlight and LCD technologies the last couple decades. OLED's have finally gained traction over the last several years, but its taken so long to finally get back to good image quality.
 
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They were in prototype and shown off in a lot of events and were about to be in mass production. These units were significantly lighter and close to your average flat screen TV's back in the day.

Shame because CRT's still offer way better motion clarity and static contrast than most LCD's to this day. Even with all the advancements in backlight and LCD technologies the last couple decades. OLED's have finally gained traction over the last several years, but its taken so long to finally get back to good image quality.
I've never heard about this. Could you guide me in the right direction for more info? What company were prototyping this tech? I personally love CRT tech and still have one for my retro games.
 
I've never heard about this. Could you guide me in the right direction for more info? What company were prototyping this tech? I personally love CRT tech and still have one for my retro games.
It was a joint venture between Canon and Toshiba, there's more in the Wiki link I posted above. Some more tech stuff here and how it works - https://atmega32-avr.com/how-sed-tv-works/



Sadly not much information about it outside a few snippets left from old interviews and write-ups. And most videos about it have been either deleted or lost in time.
 
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Outside of VR I just don't see a practical use for consumer 8K, unless you live in a mansion or something and want a 100" TV.

Movie fans enjoy 4K because movies have pretty much always used 35mm film, and 4K is the limit of extracting all the detail in digital form.
Wouldn't a 65" be enough to appreciate 8k?

It's coming in less than 10 years, lol.

Didn't we have three straight generations with 240p games?
PS6 in 2 and a half years most likely.

PS7 in 10 years. Only reason it changes is if Xbox don't launch a proper next gen console and Sony decide to wait.
 
Bro I got a plasma for the guest room recently and it was a rude awakening. My 65 inch OLED was like 28 pounds, maybe less actually after I took the feet off to mount it, and that 55 inch Plasma was fuck. Ing. Brutal.

Felt like I did a back and leg day after I carried it up two flights of stairs to the guest room.
 
Streaming services still have low bitrate for 4K. Traditional physical market is mainly in ruins and even then there are no 8K blu-ray players on market. Consoles are struggling to do 4k. So nothing of value has been lost really.

Buying an 8k TV is just a dick waving contest.
 
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8K tvs seems about as logical as 720p VHS tapes. LIke by the time consumers are actually ready for 8k tvs, surely TV (or something else) will make other advances that makes a current day 8K tv garbage. And content wise, there is nothing to get from it anyways. Games can't even do 4k sill. Movies, could, but everybody streams it anyways, so do they really actually care about quality? No. Will they get 8K streamed? No.

I guess from a manufactures point of view though, you'd want to sell them to the consumers fast, before the other thing can hit the market, and destroy your product
 
This is too bad, I'm actually looking forward to 8K television, and I do hope the format will eventually arrive, but we are now down to only two major players (Samsung, LG). Perhaps that will change at some future point.

Best Buy stores have Samsung 8K TVs in their home theater rooms, and I had the chance to see them up close last year. By that, of course, I mean that I literally stuck my nose against the screen to test the resolution and clarity compared to 4K. There was a very notable difference, which was a very pleasant surprise. I also found the color saturation and contrast/lighting to be improved over the previous generation, as 4K had improved from the previous 1080 HD.

Obviously, all that was shown was a series of demonstration videos, nothing concrete like clips from your favorite summer movies. And so there's always a bit of salesmanship going on here, a bit of the wink-and-nod showing optimal conditions that might not readily appear in practice. That said, what I had seen was highly impressive and better than I had expected.

There is a concern that hardware manufacturers are too quick to push the newer technology, as a rigorous price war has left the 4K market saturated. I bought a 48" Sony Bravia 4K television 5 years ago, looks terrific at any angle, cost me $1,000. Today, you can buy a 4K set of similar quality for under $300. It's amazing and a blessing for consumers, but probably less so for the dwindling number of companies that create the sets. But I can't see consumers who have already upgraded their TVs several times--CRT to 720/1080 to 4K--being eager to throw everything away to buy yet another TV, especially when there is no 8K content available...yet.

Sony has stated a willingness to return to 8K at a future date, and that's probably the smart move for now. Let's give 4K a little more time before throwing everything away...sigh, yet again...and rebuilding our home theaters and movie libraries...sigh, yet again. I can't help but notice a pattern here.

PS: I should also note the very real question of whether there will ever be an 8K home video format. Will everything be streaming-only by that point? Will 4K UHD be the final physical format for home video? I certainly hope not, but once you hit the point of diminishing returns, it becomes harder and harder to justify reinventing the wheel for the upteenth time. If we were happy to watch movies on VHS long ago, then we should be more than happy with what's available today.
 
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