Neko Mimi Mode
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What does that have to do with the discussion?
A Closer Look at How Xbox Series X|S Integrates Full AMD RDNA 2 Architecture
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What does that have to do with the discussion?
To be honest Halo is not the perfect example . Of reflecting what the Series hardware can do, unless you are convinced Series is weak?
TaylorSwiftFan
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SegaSnatcher
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Honestly the most impressive stuff we've seen with Series X so far is what it can do with BC games.
TaylorSwiftFan
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Definitely not weak but we have to judge the platforms based on their flagship outputs, right?
Neko Mimi Mode
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Sure, but we're talking about architecture, not cherry picking first party games
Neko Mimi Mode
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We haven't seen Halo Infinite running on Series X yet, so you literally can't judge the platform on that game.
SegaSnatcher
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Neko Mimi Mode
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Cherry picking first party games does nothing for that though.
If you want a means of comparison then wait for third party stuff to come out.
pasterpl
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to be honest it is starting to look like Sony finalised their setup before rdna2 was finalised, shipped their dev kits sooner, and end up with more games at launch but console that will not age well vs competitor, ms on the other hand worked with AMD to finalise the full rdna2 console, this also explains earlier comments from AMD saying that xbsex will be pinnacle of innovation. Sony is in better position at launch , their dev kit was in the wild longer, there is a bit more content (exclusives on ps5 at launch), ms on other hand seems to have everything in place to start to deliver games from late 2021. i don't think that halo infinite would make a lot of difference at launch.
based on this, it seems that ps5 is an extension of the previous gen (games kind of confirm this - remake of an old game and Spider-Man dlc are the biggest at launch) while xbseries is a proper new gen, but launched approx. 1 year too early and lacking content at launch because of this.
SegaSnatcher
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Yeah that bolded comment doesn't make sense. The PS5 still has advantages over the Series X, specifically I/O. At the end of the day they both use the same CPU architecture and most of the same RDNA2 features. The PS5 is not going to age worse than the Series X. It just might not have quite as many native 4K games as Series X. Most people won't be able to tell the different between 1800p with good upscaling algorithms vs native 4K.
The PS5 is no more an extension of previous gen than the Series X is, please show me all these next gen exclusive Series X games.
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duhmetree
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bitbydeath
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Having games at launch is normal. If anything it makes it look like Xbox was planning to release in 2021 and was caught off guard by PlayStation.
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You don't know, on paper it has the IO edge, but how Series X stacks up with their Software / hardware approach is unknown, maybe after some tested games.
That's how the human brain works ... confirming what you need to hear/believe.
mindblown how you came to any of these conclusions.
TBiddy
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What? When did you expect Microsoft to release the XSX then? Holiday 2021? The console that has been out in the wild for months wasn't supposed to have been ready in another year?
I'm going to be completely blunt - that's a shitty take.
longdi
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This sounds more like what's going on. When you hear of Ps5 github rumors first, the rumors of more mature SDK. The state of Ps5 launch games.
Ps5 probably can launch earlier, but be it the corona or nand prices, that Sony held out till Nov.
Tom warren going to have more breaking news soon.
pasterpl
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mindblown how you came to any of these conclusions.
it is easy, AMD said that xbseries will be pinnacle of innovation when it launches, yesterdays blog post from ms specifically says that ms decided to wait for AMD to finalise their rdna2 before ms finalised their architecture for xbseries, then we have got lots of ms studio games announced that will probably start launching late 2021 and roll from this point onward. This suggests couple things, that that wait for AMD caused Xbox architecture to be finalised later than Sony, but also resulted in Sony missing out on some rdna2 features (making ps5 not a "full" rdna2 platform), question is, how will these missing features impact ps5 games?
if ms states that they have waited for rdna2 to be finalised, they suggest that Sony didn't want to wait, and depending on what these features are, long term ps5 might not be able to deliver some stuff possible only with these missing features
I am still yet to see how this IO advantage translates into advantage in games.
bitbydeath
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I was just using their poor logic against them. I believe both were planned for 2020.
TBiddy
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Fair enough. I was honestly surprised that you were arguing that - which you weren't then. My mistake.
Jaguar Victory
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I know you think this is a sick burn but I want both of those games.
And I can't wait for Forza Horizon 5, Forza Motosport, Avowed, Everwild, State of Decay 3, Grounded full-release, Star Field, Elder Scrolls 6, Hellbade 2 and whatever The Initiative, and Inxile are working on. Cheers.
TBiddy
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What was the though process you went through before deciding to post drivel like that?
Panajev2001a
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Both MS and Sony knew well in advance the features that would fall under the RDNA2 umbrella far before there was silicon for it. One decided to maybe drop some features and make custom ones together with AMD, the other stuck more closely on the projected RDNA2 roadmap and made other customisations with them (and was pushing for a bigger die and more cores to begin with).
bitbydeath
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No worries mate.
pasterpl
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and new forza, forza horizon, reboot of fable, avowed, tes6, starfield, stalker 2, hellblade 2, project Mara, new doom, new wolfenstein and lots more that are still unannounced....all exclusive to Xbox
Listwars here we come!
Jaguar Victory
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There are lots of games. No standout first party yet but there are many quality games for both systems. I can't wait to play Gears Tactics for one. I love XCOM type games. I was really rooting for Phoenix Point but it seems it didn't turn out great.
Hawking Radiation
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Neko Mimi Mode
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What veil? I'm on team green, I've never denied that.
I'm not sure how you quantify statements that both MS and AMD are "dirty Microsoft marketing" and "bullshit" as discussing the topic in good faith, but feel free to report me if you feel my response was inappropriate.
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Hawking Radiation
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Sweet galloping Jesus.
I've come across some turgid shit on this forum but this post takes the cake. Congrats.
They did and it looked like shit. (Halo infinite)
I mean VRS on it looks like crap when you zoom in but of course it was all just 'low lighting'.
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pasterpl
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valid contribution to the thread, congrats
supernova8
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sure "no games" doesn't literally mean "no games", it's open to interpretation but mine is "no games of note at/around launch that aren't already available or aren't coming to other platforms".
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Gears 5 uses VRS on Series X, you guys can't even get your facts straight. Meanwhile, no PS5 exclusive uses VRS.
INC
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No my point is fully demoing it, like a showcase game, here's whats possible, here's the difference
And surprise surprise the mods delete my post, knee jerk reaction yet again, cant say anything on here lately.
"Don't you warriors have anything new? Stop haunting threads with tera stained faces regurgitating old console warrior bait. Look at the ban page. Decide if you want to be on it."
Jesus cant comment on anything, baiting........lol
Inb4 it gets deleted again, grow up, and get some context, im in all console and pc threads, praising and trashing all 3 the same. I'm no warrior
Thanks mod warrior
Ps inb4 ban
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J_Gamer.exe
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So xbox fans after having nothing to shout about are now celebrating having a more off the shelf pc type part because rdna2 pc cards have to use Microsoft tech....?
Microsoft know exactly how to make their fans go berserk, must be the easiest lot to wind up and away they go celebrating stuff thats pretty meaningless.
"Xbox Series X|S are the only next-generation consoles with full hardware support for all the RDNA 2 capabilities AMD showcased today "
Of course Sony won't have all the things amd mentioned today which was the Microsoft wording. They said the feature set is malleable and they have own needs for PlayStation. They got what they needed and did their own customisations. Could be better... an example of what they did...
Look at the io breakthroughs they made that are best in class. Nothing comes close to ps5 io unit. Totally custom and exclusive.
But yeah maybe they should have gone for direct storage and Sampler feedback, an inferior solution instead, so they can brag about having everything amd mention with rdna2.
Sony must have direct x raytracing right, right? No? That's not full rdna 2 then....Of course they had their own version.
People never learn.
Does xbox have infinity cache, thats a key feature of rdna2?
It better or is Microsoft being normal PR with wording? Doesn't seem to have it.
You can see how much xbox fans needed this release. They started off as the most powerful console but can't show it, no games to show at launch that even match PS5. Now its all hope that these 'rdna 2 features' that Sony wouldn't have had anyway, magically make xbox better despite the hardware running the same or worse with whatever features both have already.
The pc parts have to use Microsoft stuff like direct storage, SFS etc so to then brag and say we use all the features a pc card does is a bit disingenuous and meaningless IMO. It would be weird and ridiculous if Sony did use that Microsoft tech.
I will say again, going to be some upset people come comparisons IMO, who can't understand why 12tf and the 'full rdna2 pc features' performs the same as ps5, like we are seeing already.
But it seems for most in here, a tick on a feature sheet, without knowing what the other did for the same problem, overrides actual real world results.
Microsoft know exactly how to make their fans go berserk, must be the easiest lot to wind up and away they go celebrating stuff thats pretty meaningless.
"Xbox Series X|S are the only next-generation consoles with full hardware support for all the RDNA 2 capabilities AMD showcased today "
Of course Sony won't have all the things amd mentioned today which was the Microsoft wording. They said the feature set is malleable and they have own needs for PlayStation. They got what they needed and did their own customisations. Could be better... an example of what they did...
Look at the io breakthroughs they made that are best in class. Nothing comes close to ps5 io unit. Totally custom and exclusive.
But yeah maybe they should have gone for direct storage and Sampler feedback, an inferior solution instead, so they can brag about having everything amd mention with rdna2.
Sony must have direct x raytracing right, right? No? That's not full rdna 2 then....Of course they had their own version.
People never learn.
Does xbox have infinity cache, thats a key feature of rdna2?
It better or is Microsoft being normal PR with wording? Doesn't seem to have it.
You can see how much xbox fans needed this release. They started off as the most powerful console but can't show it, no games to show at launch that even match PS5. Now its all hope that these 'rdna 2 features' that Sony wouldn't have had anyway, magically make xbox better despite the hardware running the same or worse with whatever features both have already.
The pc parts have to use Microsoft stuff like direct storage, SFS etc so to then brag and say we use all the features a pc card does is a bit disingenuous and meaningless IMO. It would be weird and ridiculous if Sony did use that Microsoft tech.
I will say again, going to be some upset people come comparisons IMO, who can't understand why 12tf and the 'full rdna2 pc features' performs the same as ps5, like we are seeing already.
But it seems for most in here, a tick on a feature sheet, without knowing what the other did for the same problem, overrides actual real world results.
Thirty7ven
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Lazy devs and untapped performance will be key words this gen.
Snake29
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And still, you do not know what it means.
Jaguar Victory
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So xbox fans after having nothing to shout about are now celebrating having a more off the shelf pc type part because rdna2 pc cards have to use Microsoft tech....?
Microsoft know exactly how to make their fans go berserk, must be the easiest lot to wind up and away they go celebrating stuff thats pretty meaningless.
"Xbox Series X|S are the only next-generation consoles with full hardware support for all the RDNA 2 capabilities AMD showcased today "
Of course Sony won't have all the things amd mentioned today which was the Microsoft wording. They said the feature set is malleable and they have own needs for PlayStation. They got what they needed and did their own customisations. Could be better... an example of what they did...
Look at the io breakthroughs they made that are best in class. Nothing comes close to ps5 io unit. Totally custom and exclusive.
But yeah maybe they should have gone for direct storage and Sampler feedback, an inferior solution instead, so they can brag about having everything amd mention with rdna2.
Sony must have direct x raytracing right, right? No? That's not full rdna 2 then....Of course they had their own version.
People never learn.
Does xbox have infinity cache, thats a key feature of rdna2?
It better or is Microsoft being normal PR with wording? Doesn't seem to have it.
You can see how much xbox fans needed this release. They started off as the most powerful console but can't show it, no games to show at launch that even match PS5. Now its all hope that these 'rdna 2 features' that Sony wouldn't have had anyway, magically make xbox better despite the hardware running the same or worse with whatever features both have already.
The pc parts have to use Microsoft stuff like direct storage, SFS etc so to then brag and say we use all the features a pc card does is a bit disingenuous and meaningless IMO. It would be weird and ridiculous if Sony did use that Microsoft tech.
I will say again, going to be some upset people come comparisons IMO, who can't understand why 12tf and the 'full rdna2 pc features' performs the same as ps5, like we are seeing already.
But it seems for most in here, a tick on a feature sheet, without knowing what the other did for the same problem, overrides actual real world results.
Just because a GPU supports all the features doesn't make it "off the shelf". There is nothing off the shelf about either console. Image how mad you would get if I pointed out PlayStation's use of "off the shelf" expanded storage. It wouldn't be entirely accurate would it?
J_Gamer.exe
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I said more off the shelf.
But also the key is pc cards have to use Microsoft tech so of course they will be more like the pc part.
Sony won't ever have used SFS, direct storage etc so to brag and say we use RDNA2 fully like pc is just bragging for fanboys because Sony was never going to use Microsoft stuff and for everything they wanted the got it and then did their own implementations.
All very silly.
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sircaw
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Exactly what i was thinking yesterday, i can not understand how xbox fans think this is a win and are celebrating like there is no tomorrow.
Over what exactly
All that has happened is, they are now closer to a pc in terms or parts and architecture and Sony has changed those parts and customized it with their very own versions.
The fact remains, those games from ubisoft show parity in settings and modes at 120fps, 4ketc, ps5 with 10 Tflops is matching a 12 tflop machine, why are Xbox people celebrating this fact.?
Btw if anyone has not seen it yet there is a Nice Shinney demon souls gameplay video out a few minutes ago, its pretty spectacular.
So xbox fans after having nothing to shout about are now celebrating having a more off the shelf pc type part because rdna2 pc cards have to use Microsoft tech....?
Microsoft know exactly how to make their fans go berserk, must be the easiest lot to wind up and away they go celebrating stuff thats pretty meaningless.
"Xbox Series X|S are the only next-generation consoles with full hardware support for all the RDNA 2 capabilities AMD showcased today "
Of course Sony won't have all the things amd mentioned today which was the Microsoft wording. They said the feature set is malleable and they have own needs for PlayStation. They got what they needed and did their own customisations. Could be better... an example of what they did...
Look at the io breakthroughs they made that are best in class. Nothing comes close to ps5 io unit. Totally custom and exclusive.
But yeah maybe they should have gone for direct storage and Sampler feedback, an inferior solution instead, so they can brag about having everything amd mention with rdna2.
Sony must have direct x raytracing right, right? No? That's not full rdna 2 then....Of course they had their own version.
People never learn.
Does xbox have infinity cache, thats a key feature of rdna2?
It better or is Microsoft being normal PR with wording? Doesn't seem to have it.
You can see how much xbox fans needed this release. They started off as the most powerful console but can't show it, no games to show at launch that even match PS5. Now its all hope that these 'rdna 2 features' that Sony wouldn't have had anyway, magically make xbox better despite the hardware running the same or worse with whatever features both have already.
The pc parts have to use Microsoft stuff like direct storage, SFS etc so to then brag and say we use all the features a pc card does is a bit disingenuous and meaningless IMO. It would be weird and ridiculous if Sony did use that Microsoft tech.
I will say again, going to be some upset people come comparisons IMO, who can't understand why 12tf and the 'full rdna2 pc features' performs the same as ps5, like we are seeing already.
But it seems for most in here, a tick on a feature sheet, without knowing what the other did for the same problem, overrides actual real world results.
Exactly what i was thinking yesterday, i can not understand how xbox fans think this is a win and are celebrating like there is no tomorrow.
Over what exactly
All that has happened is, they are now closer to a pc in terms or parts and architecture and Sony has changed those parts and customized it with their very own versions.
The fact remains, those games from ubisoft show parity in settings and modes at 120fps, 4ketc, ps5 with 10 Tflops is matching a 12 tflop machine, why are Xbox people celebrating this fact.?
Btw if anyone has not seen it yet there is a Nice Shinney demon souls gameplay video out a few minutes ago, its pretty spectacular.
Jaguar Victory
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The storage solutions you're probably right. Nothing to see there vs. the SSD solutions on PlayStation. You're ignoring VRS and DirectML which can have very real benefits though. I'm not sure why you're leaving those out of the conversation.
J_Gamer.exe
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I'm pretty sure machine learning was confirmed and I believe it can just be done on an rdna2 gpu.
Yes mentioned back in that old wired article.
Exclusive: A Deeper Look at the PlayStation 5
Now that the name is official, we've got more details about Sony's next-gen console—from the haptics-packed controller to UI improvements.
Vrs I believe was unofficially confirmed o know RGT mentioned it somewhere but Sony have their own methods for stuff too.
Again though with the PS5 doesn't have directML. That's a Microsoft tech, of course it doesn't have that exact version.
If Sony has PSML, haha xbox doesn't have PS machine learning, that would be a ridiculous argument no?
Andodalf
Banned
I'm pretty sure machine learning was confirmed and I believe it can just be done on an rdna2 gpu.
Yes mentioned back in that old wired article.
Exclusive: A Deeper Look at the PlayStation 5
Now that the name is official, we've got more details about Sony's next-gen console—from the haptics-packed controller to UI improvements.www.wired.com
Vrs I believe was unofficially confirmed o know RGT mentioned it somewhere but Sony have their own methods for stuff too.
Again though with the PS5 doesn't have directML. That's a Microsoft tech, of course it doesn't have that exact version.
If Sony has PSML, haha xbox doesn't have PS machine learning, that would be a ridiculous argument no?
XSX has hardware support for i4 and i8 math that isn't part of the RDNA 2 spec. No evidence shows PS has this.
And yes, if PS had an imaginary ML tech they don't have, that would match what MS has. But they don't.
J_Gamer.exe
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Haven't watched it yet but can imagine, people saying it looks amazing, next gen. Then, what's the resolution even though I can't tell, is this on full pc rdna features? Suddenly its not as good anymore.
But point is the eyes are the best judge and so far xbox with whatever features they do or dont have, can't match it so far.
On evidence id say custom features for the win so far.
SportsFan581
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I'm pretty sure machine learning was confirmed and I believe it can just be done on an rdna2 gpu.
Yes mentioned back in that old wired article.
Exclusive: A Deeper Look at the PlayStation 5
Now that the name is official, we've got more details about Sony's next-gen console—from the haptics-packed controller to UI improvements.
Vrs I believe was unofficially confirmed o know RGT mentioned it somewhere but Sony have their own methods for stuff too.
Again though with the PS5 doesn't have directML. That's a Microsoft tech, of course it doesn't have that exact version.
If Sony has PSML, haha xbox doesn't have PS machine learning, that would be a ridiculous argument no?
Any GPU can support int math, so they all can do ML inference. The new hotness with RDNA2 is the accelerated 4bit/8bit calculations. Let's say you need 4.5 8bit tops for a specific algorithm, you can do that on a 5700 but you tie up 25% of the stream processors in the process because there is no acceleration past 16bit. An RDNA2 GPU with the same spec would only need to utilize half the number stream processors to achieve the same result. With the cost of 4bit calculations being halved again. Hopefully engines evolve to take full advantage, implications could be huge for next-gen.
Still not as proficient as NVidia's dedicated int hardware, but console gamers take what they can get.
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Neko Mimi Mode
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Looks amazing yeah, but not any better than Gears 5 next gen IMO.
Shame Sony had to go down the route of €80 graphically enhanced old games rather than free
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