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A new challenger has appeared: New wireless company gets shot at Canadian market

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NetMapel

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The Challenger:
Wind Mobile's website

The News:
New wireless company gets shot at Canadian market

Canadians will soon have a fourth wireless company offering services to them after the federal government has allowed Globalive Wireless Management Corp. to start operating immediately.

On Friday morning, Industry Minister Tony Clement said the cabinet has determined that the wireless company meets Canadian ownership requirements under the Industry Canada Act.

Globalive was previously unable to set up shop after the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission turned down its prior attempts, citing the fact that it was owned by Egypt's Orascom Telecom Holding.

But because most of the shareholders are Canadian, Clement argues that the Toronto-based Globalive should be considered Canadian. And the Government of Canada, in turn, has decided to vary the CRTC's prior ruling.


In a statement, Clement said Globalive "is a Canadian company and meets Canadian ownership and control requirements under the Telecommunications Act."

"We take this decision very seriously. It is based on the application of these requirements to the facts in this case."

The government says that Canadians own 80 per cent of the voting shares of Globalive and own two-thirds of the voting shares of its holding company. And at least 80 per cent of the wireless company's board of directors are Canadians.

In Toronto, Globalive CEO Anthony Lacavera said the company was "ready for action."

"It's a great day for Canadians in wireless. We could be launching as early as next week," said Lacavera.

Globalive has already hired a staff of 800, about half of whom have already completed their training in Toronto and Calgary. Many have been doing paid volunteer work at food banks, boys and girls groups, literacy groups and the Salvation Army, while they waited on a decision from the government.

When it launches, the company will operate under the Wind Mobile brand.

Wind Mobile CEO Ken Campbell says Globalive won't charge its customers system access or 911 fees. It will not offer Apple's touchscreen iPhone, but it will offer the BlackBerry and other smartphones.

Clement also said the government's goal "has always been greater competition in the telecommunications industry, which leads to lower prices, better service and more choice for consumers and business."

Michael Geist, a law professor at the University of Ottawa, said the government came down on the side of increased competition, which will challenge the three big players -- Rogers, Bell and Telus -- for their business.

"It's a big win for consumers," said Geist, who also holds the Canada Research Chair in Internet and e-commerce law.

"While some of the big three have started to make some changes, the fact that there will be another player offering up an alternative is bound to shake things up."

Bell spokesperson Jacqueline Michelis said her company was not happy with the decision and would be reviewing it.

"It's disappointing, as we think Globalive quite clearly does not meet the requirements for Canadian control," said spokeswoman Jacqueline Michelis. "We'll be taking a close look at the reasoning behind this decision."

Bell Canada parent BCE's stock dropped 2.4 per cent in early trading to $27.75, while Rogers shares fell 3.4 per cent to $32.25 and Telus stock decreased 1.7 per cent to $33.10.

With files from The Canadian Press

The Plans:

Chat:
- $15 per month
- Unlimited WIND to WIND calling across Canada
- Unlimited incoming text
- 100 province-wide calling minutes from any WIND HOME Zone
- 50 Canada/U.S. outgoing texts from any WIND HOME Zone

Always Talk:
- $35 per month
- Unlimited WIND to WIND calling across Canada
- Unlimited all incoming calls while in any WIND Home Zone
- Unlimited incoming text
- Unlimited province-wide calling from any WIND HOME Zone
- 50 Canada/U.S. outgoing texts from any WIND HOME Zone

Always Shout:
- $45 per month
- Unlimited Canada-wide calling from any WIND Home Zone
- Unlimited WIND to WIND calling across Canada
- Unlimited all incoming calls while in any WIND Home Zone
- Unlimited incoming text
- Unlimited province-wide calling from any WIND HOME Zone
- Unlimited incoming/Outgoing Text (CA/US)
- Voicemail

Data Plans:
- Infinite Mobile: $35 per month (used with any voice plan)
- Unlimited internet for phones (tethering too)

BlackBerry Data Plans:
- Social BlackBerry: $10 per month
- Unlimited instant messaging, Facebook and MySpace.

- Infinite BlackBerry: $35 per month (used with any voice plan)
- Unlimited internet for BlackBerry

Addons:
- Voice: 10c Per Minute with the $15 plan
- SMS: 10c each
- MMS: 20c each
- Voicemail: $5

Long Distance:
- $20 for unlimited North America

Stores should open within a week.

All plans include Caller's ID, Missed Call Alerts, Call Hold, Call Forwarding, Conference Calling and Call Waiting.

The Coverage:

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It's about goddamn time. For far too long the wireless companies up here have had a virtual agreement not to compete with each other. Hopefully this will shake things up.
 

whitehawk

Banned
lunarworks said:
It's about goddamn time. For far too long the wireless companies up here have had a virtual agreement not to compete with each other. Hopefully this will shake things up.
Yup. Competition = good.
 

Ondore

Member
Can't wait to see their phone lineup.

I'm not in a position to switch now (my plan is really good) but if they can bring prices down, everyone wins.
 
Always Talk: $35 per month
Unlimited WIND to WIND calling (Canada wide)
Unlimited province-wide calling
Unlimited incoming text
50 outgoing text messages

All plans include Caller's ID, Call Forwarding and Call Waiting.

Fuck yes! Now all we need is a new internet company as big as Bell/Rogers in Ontario and you got yourself a GODDAMN DEAL!!
 

NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
Here's my math:

$15 base plan (CANADA-WIDE !!!)
$10 internet/data plan (Need more info on this)
$5 voicemail (Acceptable
----
$30 TOTAL !!!

Free Caller's ID, Call Forwarding and Call Waiting !!!

I am fine with their additional charges for any over usage as well.
 

maharg

idspispopd
I'm a bit confused how they're planning to start operations so quickly. Were they building the infrastructure (towers etc) before they knew they'd even be approved for operation? That seems a bit insane. And they bought spectrum, so it's not like they're piggybacking on one of the other wireless providers.
 

Median

Member
I could feasibly save $20 a month or get unlimited voice on one of their plans for the same price that I pay at Fido currently. If I weren't stuck with Fido until 2011, I'd switch ASAP.
 
NetMapel said:
Here's my math:

$15 base plan (CANADA-WIDE !!!)
$10 internet/data plan (Need more info on this)
$5 voicemail (Acceptable
----
$30 TOTAL !!!

Free Caller's ID, Call Forwarding and Call Waiting !!!

I am fine with their additional charges for any over usage as well.

Where do you see the $15 canada-wide base plan?
 

NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
shagg_187 said:
Where do you see the $15 canada-wide base plan?
Read too fast. Canada-wide is only Wind-to-Wind. However, the $15 base plan is provincial-wide !
 

RevoDS

Junior Member
maharg said:
I'm a bit confused how they're planning to start operations so quickly. Were they building the infrastructure (towers etc) before they knew they'd even be approved for operation? That seems a bit insane. And they bought spectrum, so it's not like they're piggybacking on one of the other wireless providers.
Well, they're starting with a few areas and will expand over time. Coverage at launch is expected to be for a population of 16-18 million. They've been investing for a while now, and were very much ready until the CRTC shot them down. In fact, they've even had salespeople twiddling their thumbs in stores and kiosks for about a week now.

Those plans look completely insane...too bad they're not coming to Quebec because Videotron beat them to buying spectrum here :(
 

maharg

idspispopd
I looked into why they're able to get up and running so fast and it looks like it's just Calgary and Toronto to start. It'll be a while before they're really a national network, it seems.
 
Fuck yes! This is awesome. Sounds like they won't be in the Vancouver area to start with, but I'm sure they'll be coming here eventually.

Bell spokesperson Jacqueline Michelis said her company was not happy with the decision and would be reviewing it.

"It's disappointing, as we think Globalive quite clearly does not meet the requirements for Canadian control," said spokeswoman Jacqueline Michelis. "We'll be taking a close look at the reasoning behind this decision."

O RLY BELL???
In your goddamn face. I want to see this person just so I can mock her to her face. I am fucking ecstatic right now. O NOZ, your bullshit virtual monopoly is over!
 
Massive butthurt from Bell, Telus, and Rogers.

Luckily, I'm not on contract with Fido. I can switch freely, or bargain real good with them. (But Fido has a worthless lineup of phones... so what's bargaining worth?)
 

NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
maharg said:
I looked into why they're able to get up and running so fast and it looks like it's just Calgary and Toronto to start. It'll be a while before they're really a national network, it seems.
Really ? For some strange reason I thought it'll go national immediately. Maybe I'm wrong.
 

Big-E

Member
Just signed a 3 year contract with Rogers. Fuck me though it ain't so bad because they ain't up in Vancouver yet. Fuck the CRTC and the rest for delaying these guys from coming in. CRTC is always fucking things up somehow, someway.
 

maharg

idspispopd
NetMapel said:
Really ? For some strange reason I thought it'll go national immediately. Maybe I'm wrong.

I'd have a really hard time believing they'd be able to manage that in the year since the spectrum auction. Let alone with the CRTC ruling on their eligibility to actually use that spectrum still pending.
 
NetMapel said:
Here's my math:

$15 base plan (CANADA-WIDE !!!)
$10 internet/data plan (Need more info on this)
$5 voicemail (Acceptable
----
$30 TOTAL !!!

Free Caller's ID, Call Forwarding and Call Waiting !!!

I am fine with their additional charges for any over usage as well.
Fucking finally. Not letting others compete in the country because they're not "Canadian" enough is total horseshit.
 

Takuan

Member
I hope the big players respond by dropping SAFs across the board for current subscribers. Fat chance, though.

Edit: I wonder if they'll do anything for me if I threaten to cancel in favour of WIND. I've only been a Rogers customer for a year (switched from Fido), so probably not. Sigh.
 

artist

Banned
Big-E said:
Just signed a 3 year contract with Rogers. Fuck me though it ain't so bad because they ain't up in Vancouver yet. Fuck the CRTC and the rest for delaying these guys from coming in. CRTC is always fucking things up somehow, someway.
Fuck. I'm on the 13 month off my 36. :(
 

EvilMario

Will QA for food.
No contract for us.. we're only on a single pay as you go phone right now. We never need it. :lol

I will be interested to see their options, and data plans though. I'll probably wait for the dust to settle and see how it plays out. I'm never into the long term contracts, and being 'sold' anything makes me nervous. Hopefully this will actually make the other telecom companies try to compete, rather than just take advantage of the public.

If this opens up more options for Skype to move in, and for VoIP services to expand too.. hooray.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
That's right, fuck you Rogers and Bell. If Bell appeals the decision, I will never subscribe to anything Bell ever, and if they win the appeal then I will make it my duty to actively campaign against them and make them lose customers.

That $15 voice plan is pretty sweet.
 

hoverX

Member
sorry to say but no iphone, no deal. maybe if they got some really cool android phones. then maybe. I hate the Canadian telcos but i don't have any major beefs with Rogers at the moment.
 

Kuro Madoushi

Unconfirmed Member
God we need more competition in this area and in the Internet area too.

Hopefully, this company gets its act together and I can switch quickly because I think my contract with Bell is almost up, and I don't owe them shit.

What would Canada be like without just Bell and Rogers...
 

maharg

idspispopd
silverbullet1080 said:
Fucking finally. Not letting others compete in the country because they're not "Canadian" enough is total horseshit.

Eh there are some good reasons for this. I'm not generally for protectionism, but this isn't quite the same as normal trade tariffs. When non-Canadian businesses become an integral part of our infrastructure, it leads to a shitload of money leaving the country in a way that Canadian companies don't have the resources to balance out the other way around. Wealth isn't just how much economic activity happens in a region, but is also how the money from that activity circulates. When all the profits of a multibillion dollar business leave the country, it has the potential to lower the prosperity of everyone in the country.
 

Kuro Madoushi

Unconfirmed Member
Fuzzy said:

I was looking for a good copy of that pic, thanks! :D

maharg, aren't there MORE than enough American companies here getting Canadian dollars regardless? While these guys are Egyptian, apparently, a lot of the stockholders are Canadian, which is good enough. And it's not like we're not having stuff made in other countries either and having our money leave that way.

I'm all for competition at this point, EVEN IF it means it'll take an outsider to release Canadians from the Million Dollar Dream Hold that Ted and Bell have on us.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
maharg said:
Eh there are some good reasons for this. I'm not generally for protectionism, but this isn't quite the same as normal trade tariffs. When non-Canadian businesses become an integral part of our infrastructure, it leads to a shitload of money leaving the country in a way that Canadian companies don't have the resources to balance out the other way around. Wealth isn't just how much economic activity happens in a region, but is also how the money from that activity circulates. When all the profits of a multibillion dollar business leave the country, it has the potential to lower the prosperity of everyone in the country.

I'm fine with that as long as our own companies aren't screwing us over, which Rogers and Bell clearly are. And with the way our system is structured, it doesn't even give new Canadian wireless startups much room to survive, it's either get it right the first time against the telecom giants or go under, so the only hope Canadians really have for prices in line with the rest of the world is for foreign companies to come in. There's no one really to blame for that except for the government and these giant telecom companies.
 

cbox

Member
Awesome news, I just hope they don't fuck it up by getting greedy..

Like Virgin. Started off awesome, is now as bad as rogers and bell.
 

SRG01

Member
Virgin never took off because they never had advertising presence and they kept on increasing prices. Wind is pretty much getting free publicity with this whole CRTC fiasco, and they own all of their own equipment and infrastructure.

Oh, and HoFo (howardforums) has more Wind info than you can ever imagine.
 

jet1911

Member
eternal prize said:
Awesome news, I just hope they don't fuck it up by getting greedy..

Like Virgin. Started off awesome, is now as bad as rogers and bell.
Virgin is half owned by bell.
 

black_13

Banned
About fucking time. Canada pretty much one of the worst cell providers. Rogers/Bell/Telus have been in bed with each other since the beginning. One raises the prices, instead of the others trying to compete by reducing it, they also raise it.

I'm gonna be one of the first people to support wind.
 
more competition is always good but

Always Talk: $35 per month
Unlimited WIND to WIND calling (Canada wide)
Unlimited province-wide calling
Unlimited incoming text
50 outgoing text messages

doesnt seem that hot..
 

kennah

Member
86vtx said:
more competition is always good but



doesnt seem that hot..
Always Shout: $45 per month
Unlimited Canada-wide calling
Unlimited incoming /outgoing text messages
Voicemail

TEN bucks more a month, for something that isn't even available from the other services. If I wasn't genetically bonded with my iPhone, I'd totally switch.
 

Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
86vtx said:
more competition is always good but



doesnt seem that hot..
Even with no system access fee/911 fee and free caller ID, call forwarding and call waiting?
 
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