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A survey for the women of GAF. (PLEASE READ)
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Tommie Hu$tle
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Kabuki Waq said:
BTW Alyssa on the other hand is quite married and has been for years.
Smiles and Cries
Member
So have we made any new rules here in this thread I should know about?
I need more *fap* threads and romance advice
I need more *fap* threads and romance advice
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
Alyssa DeJour said:
Oh yes.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Wait, Greekboy is married to Jim? Isn't he a mod? That's why Greekboy hasn't been banned.
http://www.blogger.com/profile/4804668
Lemurnator, Be-Ah-Hui, Alyssa DeJour, Cherubae, cloudwalking, Anyanka, Otaking's GF, beerbelly -- THANK YOU for posting your comments. Some of the comments from the guys were also helpful -- in particular, I read the comments from Liu Kang Baking A Pie, drohne, Mama Smurf, Dan, and Tommie Hu$tle very closely. Here's what I'm taking away from this thread.
The consensus female opinion of GAF is "don't change the place," but please enforce more rigorous moderation of the following:
1) No NSFW avatars
2) Keep NSFW or inappropriate pictures out of threads about another topic
3) NSFW pictures of women are OK as long as they are in a clearly-labeled topic
Since we're revising the TOS, we'll make sure those are in there...some of them are already covered in neo-TOS.
As far as potentially misogynist comments, I'm not going to proactively try to determine what is offensive, since it seems that most of the girls are OK with -- or at least acclimated to -- the atmosphere here. If you're making a joke, it would certainly help to leave some kind of clue (emoticon, etc.) that you're kidding since you DO lose all non-language context by virtue of the communications medium. However, if female readers are offended by something which they read, PM me, and it will be taken care of promptly.
As a final, personal note: I'm sick of trying to moderate fairly. Seriously. I start a thread asking a serious question, and explicitly ASKED people to contribute serious responses (or none at all), and what happens? The first six responses were total bullshit, and the usual assholes all showed up. You think I take moderating too seriously? Think I'm a pompous prick? Fine, have it your way...things are going to change. Fuckers.
The consensus female opinion of GAF is "don't change the place," but please enforce more rigorous moderation of the following:
1) No NSFW avatars
2) Keep NSFW or inappropriate pictures out of threads about another topic
3) NSFW pictures of women are OK as long as they are in a clearly-labeled topic
Since we're revising the TOS, we'll make sure those are in there...some of them are already covered in neo-TOS.
As far as potentially misogynist comments, I'm not going to proactively try to determine what is offensive, since it seems that most of the girls are OK with -- or at least acclimated to -- the atmosphere here. If you're making a joke, it would certainly help to leave some kind of clue (emoticon, etc.) that you're kidding since you DO lose all non-language context by virtue of the communications medium. However, if female readers are offended by something which they read, PM me, and it will be taken care of promptly.
As a final, personal note: I'm sick of trying to moderate fairly. Seriously. I start a thread asking a serious question, and explicitly ASKED people to contribute serious responses (or none at all), and what happens? The first six responses were total bullshit, and the usual assholes all showed up. You think I take moderating too seriously? Think I'm a pompous prick? Fine, have it your way...things are going to change. Fuckers.
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Personally, I find the prospective employment of censorship far more offensive than the comments and topics I see floating around. Usually, the more sensible posters among us keep these posters and their topics/comments in check anyways (which in turn also leads to some rather interesting discussion and debate). Unless the comments are being aimed directly at a specific member of the boards, then there is really no justifiable reason for the administration to become involved in my opinion.
The topics you've cited are as easily overlooked as the posters behind them likely are IRL by the sex they criticize. I do not believe that I could say the same if I were to witness the coddling of female egoes on this board at every turn through the excessive editing and banning of members. Honestly, I think that this board could actually do without most of the moderation that already goes on.
Another thing worth noting is that some of the girls on this board have made a few derogatory comments themselves about the opposite sex; would this continue to go ignored or would it need to be addressed as well? Where would the line be crossed and how strictly would one gender's criticism be moderated in contrast to another? This could simply lead to excused descrimination on an administrative level.
Just my two cents...
The topics you've cited are as easily overlooked as the posters behind them likely are IRL by the sex they criticize. I do not believe that I could say the same if I were to witness the coddling of female egoes on this board at every turn through the excessive editing and banning of members. Honestly, I think that this board could actually do without most of the moderation that already goes on.
Another thing worth noting is that some of the girls on this board have made a few derogatory comments themselves about the opposite sex; would this continue to go ignored or would it need to be addressed as well? Where would the line be crossed and how strictly would one gender's criticism be moderated in contrast to another? This could simply lead to excused descrimination on an administrative level.
Just my two cents...
That's the spirit, Waychel. Unfortunately, a few select people still believe that by censoring a forum in order to "protect" the women from the dirty, dirty world of men that it will still net them brownie points at the next forum meetup.
It's pretty damn offensive to me, and I imagine pretty demeaning to the women. I'm sure they can stick up for themselves if things reach their respective boiling points. They don't need the masked-mod-crusader to bail them out; and if they do, they should seriously consider stop posting.
It's pretty damn offensive to me, and I imagine pretty demeaning to the women. I'm sure they can stick up for themselves if things reach their respective boiling points. They don't need the masked-mod-crusader to bail them out; and if they do, they should seriously consider stop posting.
Socreges said:
Actually, I feel the same way. I'm pretty sure the hammer will be dropped. -jinx- has been on a spree as of late. But whatever, this proposed censorship bullshit, and it should be called out for that, is the most ridiculous thing I've seen on GA in a long, long time. What makes it worse is the fact that this is most likely the brainchild of one certain mod who felt the need to drop some new rules in solely to protect the women because in the real world "it's not so fair."
Give me a break.
Alyssa DeJour said:
I have come to the conclusion that i like this one.
And wtf is with lemurs even commenting on this shit? On the other board she makes posts about sucking penis to get attention. I love this "I find it shocking" shit she says.
Whatever. I loved you in toy story.
i don't really have much to add except that it's not just women who are offended by the reigning stupidity here. it's not that i'm a fan of censorship (quite the opposite of course), but that there's one segment that seems to believe that the de facto censoring of reason by shouting it down is a fair course of action. it isn't. people who don't understand that should be banned. if you can't make an argument and you keep posting, you should be banned. if you think can't justify your presence in a discussion rationally, and yet you don't leave the discussion, you should be banned. yes, there is value in letting people say whatever they want to say, but the unspoken contract in society is that you want to say something that will make progress towards some positive end.
certainly there's value in humor, and people _will_ express their sexuality whether you want them to or not (although i do think there's a required utility in restricting that expression to some extent just so that people don't get fired for reading the forums), but seriously, common sense people.
anyways, i think the best way for me to approach this is from a policy perspective is to say "if i were a mod..", so..
if i were a mod, i would kill every last motherfucking one of you.
regards,
-fart
ps, whoever tried to imply that OA is more gender friendly is first on the list
certainly there's value in humor, and people _will_ express their sexuality whether you want them to or not (although i do think there's a required utility in restricting that expression to some extent just so that people don't get fired for reading the forums), but seriously, common sense people.
anyways, i think the best way for me to approach this is from a policy perspective is to say "if i were a mod..", so..
if i were a mod, i would kill every last motherfucking one of you.
regards,
-fart
ps, whoever tried to imply that OA is more gender friendly is first on the list
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Ban lemurs from OA until she's 17.
Fixed2BeBroken
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not a female but would just like to add that, Most of the shit said about women on this forum would never be said to a woman in real life.
they know theyd get thier face slapped off.
thats the beauty and strength of the internet. (and at the sametime the sadness of it)
it gives people super powers.
I respect and love women in real life, dont see why I shouldnt do the same just cause I'm on the net.
But thats just me.
Some of these idiots havent even sat down and had a real conversation with a real girl.
<edit> With that said....I honestly feel there is nothing wrong with Pics of hot Chicks.
Or avatars for that matter. Its just the Comments sometimes I think are just wrong.
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they know theyd get thier face slapped off.
thats the beauty and strength of the internet. (and at the sametime the sadness of it)
it gives people super powers.
I respect and love women in real life, dont see why I shouldnt do the same just cause I'm on the net.
But thats just me.
Some of these idiots havent even sat down and had a real conversation with a real girl.
<edit> With that said....I honestly feel there is nothing wrong with Pics of hot Chicks.
Or avatars for that matter. Its just the Comments sometimes I think are just wrong.
peace
I don't agree with the jerks coming in and bitching about the Male Fap Women/Gay edition thread. No one forced you to click on that thread unless you wanted to see some hot male action. From time to time I see people getting banned for trolling or going in and doing stupid crap in other threads. Same should hold true for the women/gay edition fapping thread. Screw giving them warnings, they shouldve been banned on the spot. They fully knew what they were clicking on and they fully knew what they were going to see.
I bet they even had their responses all nicely typed up in word before they even entered the thread.
I don't think I've ever had problems with subject matter in threads as I always read I what I'm going into. Now as far as posters, I can think of none other then the classiest of classy males, Ned Flanders
He was confused and didn't have a clue as to why he was banned. But I think I have an idea...
Lets see shall we. I might know...
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=20896&page=1&pp=100
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=35367
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=35374
If Ned Flanders had congealed in a gutter somewhere rather then being born that would explain a lot.
Anyway, having thread titles such as "Why is it that the minute you start dating someone..every pussy for miles wants you??" just makes GAF dirty I guess. I mean, sure you have a thread about seeing or being sexually active with someone younger is ok. It is your topic of discussion and it is just that, a discussion. But having it spill over to thread titles this classy guy had just makes the whole place sink down the stink hole.
I know there is a joke aspect to it all and understand that. But come on, have some sense.
He kept it in the thread and sure I felt like running him over but I left the thread and that was that. But then he not only kept the classy posts but decided to include his classy nature in the topic titles too. And with the number of replies and posts similar to his growing in numbers I thought it wouldn't be long before we get more threads with titles like so, thus I went to speak to someone about it.
Of course it didn't help that this person also thinks along the same lines as Neddy but fortunately some other mod agreed with me.
I bet they even had their responses all nicely typed up in word before they even entered the thread.
I don't think I've ever had problems with subject matter in threads as I always read I what I'm going into. Now as far as posters, I can think of none other then the classiest of classy males, Ned Flanders
He was confused and didn't have a clue as to why he was banned. But I think I have an idea...
Ned Flanders said:
Lets see shall we. I might know...
Ned Flanders said:
Ned Flanders said:
Ned Flanders said:
Ned Flanders said:
Ned Flanders said:
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=20896&page=1&pp=100
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=35367
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=35374
If Ned Flanders had congealed in a gutter somewhere rather then being born that would explain a lot.
Anyway, having thread titles such as "Why is it that the minute you start dating someone..every pussy for miles wants you??" just makes GAF dirty I guess. I mean, sure you have a thread about seeing or being sexually active with someone younger is ok. It is your topic of discussion and it is just that, a discussion. But having it spill over to thread titles this classy guy had just makes the whole place sink down the stink hole.
I know there is a joke aspect to it all and understand that. But come on, have some sense.
He kept it in the thread and sure I felt like running him over but I left the thread and that was that. But then he not only kept the classy posts but decided to include his classy nature in the topic titles too. And with the number of replies and posts similar to his growing in numbers I thought it wouldn't be long before we get more threads with titles like so, thus I went to speak to someone about it.
Of course it didn't help that this person also thinks along the same lines as Neddy but fortunately some other mod agreed with me.
There's jsut a few testosterone-overdosed fuckheads that I can't stand, but it doesn't take away from the overall feel of the forum. Back when I was a regular, granted, I'd say some things that were strong opinions, but for Incognito to turn all sensitive bitch on me, or Society trying to be funny, come on. That's how you really are, and when you're nice in real life, that's the damned facade. I don't care how you treat women in real life. What put me to sleep back thaen was the solice of knowing they'll die single, or miserably married dorks. Men are men, can't hate em for that. And this forums full of them, no need to make it PC now. It won't fix anything. The only thing wrong with the forum now, I think, is the amount of members online. heh, I'd say this place jumped the shark, but I think it's just me. I'm the fonz in this case. Yeah. Whata buzz.
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aoi tsuki said:
I'm not saying that I don't find it considerate, but simply that I don't personally find it to be necessary. Jinx has the right attitude, but this is a forum for open discussion and not a workplace environment. I simply think that people should have the freedom to say what they like and allow the populace to moderate itself. Unless a member is being attacked directly with comments of this nature, I don't really find intervention by a moderator or administrator needed.
I dunno, I just have strong feelings about censorship in general. I just don't think that what goes on at GAF is directly allegorical to what goes on to Jinx's boss at the workplace. That doesn't make his intentions any less admirable; simply that I do not personally agree with him in this scenario. That is all...
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
Cubsfan23 said:
I got banned once for posting a pick that had a guys ass in it!!!
If it was a chick it would have been fine!!!
Fucking homophobes
ToxicAdam said:
:lol Good stuff...
Teddman said:
Heh, yeah...and OA isn't exactly a place that nutures common courtesy toward the fairer sex. Doesn't seem like they care though.
-jinx- said:
Heh, I wouldn't put it past you guys...
Fixed2BeBroken said:
I've got news for you...most of the stuff people say here to ANYONE on this board wouldn't be said in real life. You think the little braveheart posters would be point and laugh at me for not liking pizza, or thinking root beer tastes like toothpaste, or having the nerve to like Shenmue in real life? They wouldn't even have the balls to look into my eyes, nevermind open their lips. But that's the way the net has always been, making cowboys out of cowards, with modship being the ultimate example of this behaviour. And really, who cares? Unless you only just discovered the internet in the last couple months, you should be used to the way things go on by now. You either respond in kind, or get run over by the virtual wheels.
With all that said, I love the chicks. I try and treat 'em well, knowing the way the boards can be. Most of it is just a ploy by me to try and pry some pics out of 'em, but whatever. I find a lot of them interesting in their own way, so I rarely have an issue with 'em. But if a chick wants to act like a bitch, she'll be treated like a bitch. Anyone who remembers Sin D knows what an annoying little twat she was, and in the grand scheme of things she wasn't treated any differently then the Greekboys and Opas of the forum world. I would hope the board isn't gonna try to protect idiots like her.
BTW, here's my own observation...I've seen a TON of religion bashing the last eight months or so on this board (half the time they make up the fucking thread titles), and it completely dwarfs any feminist hatin' that I've seen. Perhaps people should look into clamping down on that. Me, I don't care...I'm a Christian, but frankly many people who suscribe to the faith annoy me as much as anyone on the planet these days. Still, that doesn't mean others who are religious or have a chosen faith are okay with it. I guess all the "religious nuts" from all faiths should get together and complain about this trend, so it too can get nipped in the bud. I wouldn't bet a nickel on things changing though.
Tommie Hu$tle
Member
-jinx- said:
I think here as long as the original poster clearly labels the topic NSFW that should be fine. I mean guess what GAF has a boys club atomsphere and it should it is a boys club. I'm sure if we went to an all woman's forum somewhere (If they actually exist) that they would have topic that would be totally alien to the majority of us. I think that with the new TOS that the mods should be forgiving on what does and doesn't make the "offensive" mark. The joy of the OT fourm and GAF in general is it's irreverance. Over modding on some topics would kll that. I'm all for #2 and #3 but, I'm against #1 just because everyone's personality is different. Yes, I'm a NSFW avatar holder but, I'm not beholden to them I just know that it's part of what people want to do. I think as long as they fall in line with what is appropriate to the standards of the board then go for it. I don't want to do cum exploding out of someone's nose but, if it is a nice avatar of a sexy woman then go for it. Same goes for those who may want to see sexy men, I'm like what ever you want to do.
-jinx- said:
I say let the misogynist be misogynists. If we are lucky enough to get a more diverse group in here then it will happen. I think the major problem is the aggressive attitude that we have towards women when they come to the board. Treating them like they are exhibitions in a zoo is more damaging than misogynistic comments or threads greatest nipples.
That's my take on it.
kitchenmotors
Banned
FoneBone said:
Add me in as well. There are a few posters who are quite regular when it comes to trolling a gayming-age thread. I don't believe it's on an accidental click either, as it happens everytime.
It seems less frequent though, as Drinky Crow has been putting down his foot lately.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
Tommie Hu$tle said:
I agree with this. It's patronising. Our ladies of GAF can take care o'themselves. I've seen threads where Alyssa and Waychel swat dickheads like flies, effortlessly.
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
Shinobi said:
yea, which is why I said.
Fixed2BeBroken said:
Shinobi said:
:lol
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Because of my moral base I try to stay clear of that stuff, but I don't think women being the minority has anything to do with it. I've been good friends with plenty of girls and have been around groups of girls, and I know that they can get just as bad as guys. The difference is that girls seem to view the internet as more of a public place and they aren't going to get that way on here, while guys for some reason actually take more liberties in how they talk to each other on here, as they would their guy friends.
I think implementing some sort of greater control on sexually explicit things--especially avatars--is a good idea. I don't so much have an issue with it, as I understand that's how the world is, but for my family's sake because they don't quite so much. I wouldn't want to invite a friend over if he's going to show a sexually explicit magazine to everyone, so I'd expect the same concept of social decency from this forum. Start specific, clearly marked threads for it if you'd like, but I can do without the random stuff in a thread about something completely unrelated.
Also, I don't appreciate the talk about how it's "the way guys are" and stuff. I agree it may be our animal instincts, but it is not inherent in what it means to be a man. Most of us live in a vulgar culture that depreciates and robs dignity from everyone and everything, but people's actions do not change the identity of man, what he can or should be. You are free to say what you think, but I do often disagree and think that a lot on here not only degrades women and expectations from them, but also men and expectations from themseves.
I know to most it's just talk and not how they really think women ought to be understood or treated, but I've come to understand that talk influences the heart and the heart influences ones actions. Integrity is something our culture understands very little, and it would be nice to see more consistency between what everyone knows is right and what is in their posts.
I think implementing some sort of greater control on sexually explicit things--especially avatars--is a good idea. I don't so much have an issue with it, as I understand that's how the world is, but for my family's sake because they don't quite so much. I wouldn't want to invite a friend over if he's going to show a sexually explicit magazine to everyone, so I'd expect the same concept of social decency from this forum. Start specific, clearly marked threads for it if you'd like, but I can do without the random stuff in a thread about something completely unrelated.
Also, I don't appreciate the talk about how it's "the way guys are" and stuff. I agree it may be our animal instincts, but it is not inherent in what it means to be a man. Most of us live in a vulgar culture that depreciates and robs dignity from everyone and everything, but people's actions do not change the identity of man, what he can or should be. You are free to say what you think, but I do often disagree and think that a lot on here not only degrades women and expectations from them, but also men and expectations from themseves.
I know to most it's just talk and not how they really think women ought to be understood or treated, but I've come to understand that talk influences the heart and the heart influences ones actions. Integrity is something our culture understands very little, and it would be nice to see more consistency between what everyone knows is right and what is in their posts.
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etiolate said:
:lol
in that order?
Lemurnator
Banned
Incognito said:
But those are jokes, mostly jokes relating to Pat Obrien's phone messages...
I'm mostly shocked seeing the variables of what gets people banned on this website.
Saying "I'd stick my cock in her ass." isn't going to get you banned, but saying "OA has better looking posters than this place..." is? THAT is shocking. Maybe offended isn't the best word to use in describing how this place or the other place can or used to make me feel at times. Generally I'm only offended if someone says something directed directly to me, honestly, that is hurtful. I feel bad, and I can't help it. It doesn't happen often here or there but every once in a while something leaks through the internet/personal protective shield and is hurtful.
Pictures of half naked men or women isn't hurtful, it can just get me into trouble as it can get many of you if you post from school/work. Seeing someone say "I'd stick my dick between her tits." isn't hurtful, it's just shocking to see and witness being ignored as people get banned for saying things nowhere near that level. I accept it as a joke and I move on. I make jokes too, but not here because they'd get me banned. As for the thing with Mina, that wasn't a joke. At least not the first time, it was a mistake.
What I find MOST offensive is that people are allowed to joke and be vulgar with me and to everything else, but when I joke back it's wrong and everything I say about the subject is automatically dismissable. It's the double standard I don't like.
Incognito said:
SO FUCKING WHAT, YOU POST BULLSHIT POLITICAL TOPICS AND SAY SHIT THAT WOULD NORMALLY GET TOHER PEOPLE BANNED, BUT SINCE THEY HAVE PITY ON YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR SICK ASS, YOU GET WHIPPED WITH THE FEATHER BELT.
Incognito said:
NO, ASSHOLE.
Incognito said:
Expire already.
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marsomega said:I don't agree with the jerks coming in and bitching about the Male Fap Women/Gay edition thread. No one forced you to click on that thread unless you wanted to see some hot male action. From time to time I see people getting banned for trolling or going in and doing stupid crap in other threads. Same should hold true for the women/gay edition fapping thread. Screw giving them warnings, they shouldve been banned on the spot. They fully knew what they were clicking on and they fully knew what they were going to see.
I bet they even had their responses all nicely typed up in word before they even entered the thread.
I don't think I've ever had problems with subject matter in threads as I always read I what I'm going into. Now as far as posters, I can think of none other then the classiest of classy males, Ned Flanders
He was confused and didn't have a clue as to why he was banned. But I think I have an idea...
Lets see shall we. I might know...
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=20896&page=1&pp=100
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=35367
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=35374
If Ned Flanders had congealed in a gutter somewhere rather then being born that would explain a lot.
Anyway, having thread titles such as "Why is it that the minute you start dating someone..every pussy for miles wants you??" just makes GAF dirty I guess. I mean, sure you have a thread about seeing or being sexually active with someone younger is ok. It is your topic of discussion and it is just that, a discussion. But having it spill over to thread titles this classy guy had just makes the whole place sink down the stink hole.
I know there is a joke aspect to it all and understand that. But come on, have some sense.
He kept it in the thread and sure I felt like running him over but I left the thread and that was that. But then he not only kept the classy posts but decided to include his classy nature in the topic titles too. And with the number of replies and posts similar to his growing in numbers I thought it wouldn't be long before we get more threads with titles like so, thus I went to speak to someone about it.
Of course it didn't help that this person also thinks along the same lines as Neddy but fortunately some other mod agreed with me.
wait. he just got banned because of a thread he started last october.. and two he started 4 months ago ???
Lemurnator
Banned
Dujour said:
Do not patronize me. I maybe an unfunny asshole on the interent and in real life, but at least I do not lie and defraud people into thinking I am something I am not. Go back to making pizzas and sending love letters to -jinx-, the only person to still think you are female..
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