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Question,

I'm saving up for the Sharp LC-45GD6U, which is, as far as I'm concerned, the world's most perfect TV. It has DVI and HDMI inputs, so naturally I'd like to be able to use them. The problem is, I'm not sure there is an A/V receiver that can do it. Is there one in existence that does all of the following:

+ Accepts multiple (2) DVI inputs
+ Accepts multiple (2) HDMI inputs
+ Accepts multiple of the standard inputs (Component, S-Video), with plenty of extra for audio-only?
+ A VGA input if it's possible?

And:
+ Passes through a 1080p signal via HDMI
+ Passes through a 1080i/720p signal via DVI
+ Passes through 480i/p via S-Video & Component
+ Powers a 5.1 (or higher) speaker system.


Tall order, huh? Well, the unit will be accepting inputs from:
+ The 1080p version of this, when it comes out. Outputs HDMI and component.
+ X360 via DVI
+ PS3 via HDMI
+ Against my better judgement, probably the goddamn Revolution, which will presumably be fucking S-Video/Component.
+ A Media Center that can output either VGA or DVI, depending on what's available on the receiver, I guess. :)
+ Tape deck, CD Player, Vinyl Record Player, iPod, all component and audio-only (obviously).

We're getting to a point where there are so many sources of audio and video (each coming with their own flavor of output) that one machine can rarely do all. Just wonering if any company has been forward-minded enough to address this phenomenon.
 
From what I've seen, HDMI switching in A/V receivers is still ridiculously expensive.

And if the TV doesn't accept 1080p through HDMI (not sure) than it doesn't matter if the receiver does
 
GitarooMan said:
From what I've seen, HDMI switching in A/V receivers is still ridiculously expensive.

Question: do you have a link for where it says it passes a 1080p signal through HDMI? Couldn't see it on the product page
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Expensive is okay, just want to see what's out there.
 
Hmm, I need to start looking at this...

I'll be looking into a receiver sometime in early 2006 (after I move to a new place). My TV only has one HDMI input, so I'd need to find some sort of solution if I wish to share it (which I do). That Denon receiver looks incredible, but at $3,499.99, there's no way in hell I'd jump on it. >_<

I'm saving up for the Sharp LC-45GD6U, which is, as far as I'm concerned, the world's most perfect TV.
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It's an LCD. AS an LCD, it could not possibly be perfect. :P
 
I've never seen VGA on an AV receiver. Don't know about 1080p either. But for the rest how about the Denon 4806 or 5805? They only have 1 DVI but have 3 HDMI.
 
dark10x said:
Hmm, I need to start looking at this...

I'll be looking into a receiver sometime in early 2006 (after I move to a new place). My TV only has one HDMI input, so I'd need to find some sort of solution if I wish to share it (which I do). That Denon receiver looks incredible, but at $3,499.99, there's no way in hell I'd jump on it. >_<
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I'll probably be getting one with 2 HDMI, but that might not be enough (PS3, DVD, Cable). My plan might be to just manually switch until the HDMI switches come into a reasonable price range.
 
GitarooMan said:
I'll probably be getting one with 2 HDMI, but that might not be enough (PS3, DVD, Cable). My plan might be to just manually switch until the HDMI switches come into a reasonable price range.
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Yeah, I think I'll be doing that too.

I don't plan on putting everything in a big entertainment center either (want to go the clean, open route with nice glass stands and what-not), so it shouldn't be too difficult to reach around and swap.

Kinda glad that the 360 isn't doing HDMI right now. :P
 
terrene said:
I'm saving up for the Sharp LC-45GD6U, which is, as far as I'm concerned, the world's most perfect TV.
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This is the world's most perfect TV, in my opinion - a 65" Sharp Aquos LCD with picture so crisp and vivid that I just stopped and stared in awe for nearly five minutes, they had one on display on Narita airport.

It completely blows my 42" Hitachi plasma out of the water in terms of image quality. 12.500 european monies. Killzone PS3 from this three meters away... OMG.

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000607059581/

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news_10258.html

6451347467067668.JPG
 
terrene said:
Nah, dawg, there's already high-def DVD players that do 1080p over HDMI. Check it out:

http://www.neodigits.com/body/product/HVD2085/feature.asp
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Yeah, but bare in mind it's upscaling a 480p DVD to 1080p. I had a well-reviewed HDMI 1080i up-convert DVD player for about a week before returning it - all it did for me was make the many flaws apparent in DVDs even worse. I eagerly await HD DVD formats.
 
GitarooMan said:
Yeah, that thing is pretty sweet, but price is too much. I'm actually thinking about this one, which is much more reasonable, and then worrying about HDMI later

Denon 3805
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Why not the 3806? Only $300 more and has 2 HDMI inputs.
 
Xellos said:
Why not the 3806? Only $300 more and has 2 HDMI inputs.
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Absolutely right. I didn't realize that was coming out so soon, but it looks like it's coming in October (to Crutchfield at least). I would definitely get this one instead.
 
Chittagong said:
This is the world's most perfect TV, in my opinion - a 65" Sharp Aquos LCD with picture so crisp and vivid that I just stopped and stared in awe for nearly five minutes, they had one on display on Narita airport.

It completely blows my 42" Hitachi plasma out of the water in terms of image quality. 12.500 european monies. Killzone PS3 from this three meters away... OMG.

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000607059581/

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news_10258.html

6451347467067668.JPG
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These are from the same line! Mine's the 45" on the right. :) Sharp Aquos is the shit. And they've been advertising them on TV, too. Here's hoping the 1080p thing becomes a reality.
 
terrene said:
These are from the same line! Mine's the 45" on the right. :) Sharp Aquos is the shit. And they've been advertising them on TV, too. Here's hoping the 1080p thing becomes a reality.
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They are amazing! I'm glad I got to see the huge one in real life. That converted me in a minute to a LCD believer. Well that, and the free Samsung LCD HDTV from Microsoft GDC keynote that finally arrived this week. So much crisper and richer in color than my plasma.
 
I'll have to take a look around, but I'm pretty sure there aren't any that have confirmed pass-through of 1080p.

Basically its just too new. That doesn't mean there aren't any that do it - I'm just not sure if there's has been much publicity.

Also remember, DVI and HDMI are effectively the same thing from a video standpoint ... there are adapters available, so you really only need one that does a couple of DVI or HDMI.

Aside from a VGA transcoder/passthrough, everything can be assumed on a receiver of pre/pro that has DVI or HDMI switching.


You could also consider a seperate video switcher for your HDMI/DVI. That plus a decent receiver might end up being cheaper than one that does everything. I can look up some stuff for you.
 
Onix said:
I'll have to take a look around, but I'm pretty sure there aren't any that have confirmed pass-through of 1080p.

Basically its just too new. That doesn't mean there aren't any that do it - I'm just not sure if there's has been much publicity.

Also remember, DVI and HDMI are effectively the same thing from a video standpoint ... there are adapters available, so you really only need one that does a couple of DVI or HDMI.

Aside from a VGA transcoder/passthrough, everything can be assumed on a receiver of pre/pro that has DVI or HDMI switching.


You could also consider a seperate video switcher for your HDMI/DVI. That plus a decent receiver might end up being cheaper than one that does everything. I can look up some stuff for you.
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I would really hope that the receiver does a straight-up passthrough and that the content would not get modified in any way. To do otherwise would be like having an HDMI extension cord that only supported 1080i or something. If you have any good way of figuring out the answer here, I'd be forever grateful. :)
 
I have the Japanese version of that 45" Sharp (yes chittagong, the 65" is sexier, and I walk by one on the way to work everyday... but it is also 3 times as expensive)....

IF YOU BUY THAT TV, MAKE SURE YOU GET THE OLD MODEL WITH THE EXTERNAL AVC! If it has the scaler built in to the TV, kiss 1080p input goodbye. The one with external AVC (which I think may be the TV that you are looking at) will take a 1080p input in; however, only if you connect it directly to the panel via a compliant HDMI to DVI cable, use an HDCP compliant DVI switcher to plug in the avc and another source, OR use a 3rd party scaler like the HD+ from DVDO.
 
GitarooMan said:
Yeah, that thing is pretty sweet, but price is too much. I'm actually thinking about this one, which is much more reasonable, and then worrying about HDMI later

Denon 3805
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They put 8 bazillion s-video & composite inputs on the thing...and 3 component inputs? Teh next-gen ready.
 
terrene said:
I would really hope that the receiver does a straight-up passthrough and that the content would not get modified in any way. To do otherwise would be like having an HDMI extension cord that only supported 1080i or something. If you have any good way of figuring out the answer here, I'd be forever grateful. :)
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I'm just talking about bandwidth.

While one would assume they would have enough bandwidth for 1080p since the spec includes it, you never know since there is nothing that currently uses it.
 
Onix said:
I'm just talking about bandwidth.

While one would assume they would have enough bandwidth for 1080p since the spec includes it, you never know since there is nothing that currently uses it.
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Not true; check out the DVD player I linked to above. It's really new, but it *has* begun. So then the question is, do these A/V receivers just do a passthrough and we have to assume that they conform fully to the HDMI spec and won't interfere with a 1080p signal?

God, maybe the only damn way to know for sure is to buy the damn 1080p DVD player and try it on a 1080p TV.

Man, listen to me, I've gotten so snobbish about progressive vs. interlaced, and up til now 480i has been good enough. :)
 
terrene said:
Not true; check out the DVD player I linked to above. It's really new, but it *has* begun. So then the question is, do these A/V receivers just do a passthrough and we have to assume that they conform fully to the HDMI spec and won't interfere with a 1080p signal?

God, maybe the only damn way to know for sure is to buy the damn 1080p DVD player and try it on a 1080p TV.

Man, listen to me, I've gotten so snobbish about progressive vs. interlaced, and up til now 480i has been good enough. :)
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Do you know TV's that currently accept a 1080p input? If so, I'd like to see a list or something. Most 1080p TV's today can only accept 1080i and then scale it to 1080p.
 
terrene said:
Not true; check out the DVD player I linked to above. It's really new, but it *has* begun. So then the question is, do these A/V receivers just do a passthrough and we have to assume that they conform fully to the HDMI spec and won't interfere with a 1080p signal?

God, maybe the only damn way to know for sure is to buy the damn 1080p DVD player and try it on a 1080p TV.

Man, listen to me, I've gotten so snobbish about progressive vs. interlaced, and up til now 480i has been good enough. :)
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Sorry, I should have been more specific ... I meant displays. Since up until this point, there have not been and TV's that accept 1080p - to my knowledge, no one has really tested them with the few 1080p* sources available. That's why I have some reservations.

I haven't heard particularly great things about that DVD player - but you get what you pay for. Denon's highest-end DVD player does 1080p, and so does the new Marantz. There are a couple of others as well, with many more on the way. Plus, there are a handful of external scalars that can output 1080p (or higher).


BTW - are you positive you TV ACCEPTS 1080p over HDMI? I only knew of that LG about to come out incorprating the newest Sil HDMI receiver. Granted, I haven't been paying attention that much lately.




* we have no actual 1080p sources, just scaled and/or de-interlaced footage.
 
Unfortunately, this is true.

And with that, high res audio is also not possible - at least not using the upcoming DD and DTS formats.

:/
 
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