A piece on the BBC on why people are 'meh' about her presumptive nomination
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36466348
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36466348
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A woman president would be new, Hillary Clinton is not.
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HUELEN10
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Yes, the article saying it's been pretty much the same thing for 9 years shows that while it's exciting to have a first BLANK president, in the case of Obama the first multi-racial african-american identifying president, in the possible case of Clinton, first female president, it's been going on too long.
Having her as the first just isn't exciting.
Not that pics for such an important positions should be done on hype, but still... it's kinda of a meh-pick to many at this point.
Having her as the first just isn't exciting.
Not that pics for such an important positions should be done on hype, but still... it's kinda of a meh-pick to many at this point.
Lightning Count
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Anything is better than Trump, it doesn't matter that she was first lady before.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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You are such a strange person.
Yeah. Hillary is familiar and comforting like a cup of hot cocoa, as you close the curtains on a wild Trump-ian winter.
There are plenty of people excited for her to be the first, and more will be come closer to the election, but for many younger people someone so familiar saying things like "shatter the glass ceiling" isn't as appealing as a rebel coming out of nowhere (to them) saying things like "tear down the establishment" and "revolution". For those people, Hillary will always be the boring choice. That doesn't mean the wrong choice though.
You didn't read the article did you.
You didn't read the article did you.
A lot of the republicans in the primary had their issues. Jeb was terrible and could not connect to people. Rubio was kinda robotic at times and had the same issue as Jeb. All of the republican presidential candidates had flaws that would have made it hard for them to beat her and they all supported policies that were all unappealing to the general electorate.
breakfuss
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I read the excerpt included in the OP. What is your point?
NVM, I thought you were taking issue with the article itself, and not the title of the thread. ie That you thought the people in the article were basically making excuses for not wanting a woman to be president which would be odd since it's about younger women's opinions. After a reread I realized you meant "female president" instead of "woman president" in the title.
Sorry.
Hillary's age should have nothing to do with her quality as a candidate. If anything though it should be an asset given the potential for wisdom. Age never stopped a previous president unless they died of old age in office.
Or went senile like Trump already has.
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I don't know, it is pretty exciting that she's very qualified for the role. That she's a decent human being.
Just as people tried to denigrate Obama's race - he's not from the USA, he's not even fully black, he's muslim etc. - whatever the first female candidate had been like she would have been heavily criticised. In Clinton's case, it is that she has a lot of experience.
Just as people tried to denigrate Obama's race - he's not from the USA, he's not even fully black, he's muslim etc. - whatever the first female candidate had been like she would have been heavily criticised. In Clinton's case, it is that she has a lot of experience.
Future Foundation
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Who was that "good looking Republican"? Because I don't think it was in this field. Take Trump out and you've still got:
- Ted
- Carly
- Carson
- Rubio
- Christie
- Paul
- Jeb
- Rand
- Huckabee
- Kasich
This field fucking sucked. Who's coming in 2020?
Particle Physicist
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That is a poorly written article that appears to base everything on her own feelings and conversations with random people. On the other hand, polls seem to show equal enthusiasm between those backing Hillary and those backing Sanders, and I don't think anyone ever said Sanders voters lack enthusiasm.
I think when it comes to any enthusiasm gap, Sanders had the edge among younger women, which is who the article is mostly talking about.
I'd still worry. I'll never underestimate Americans' ability to elect the wrong person.
Shit, personally, I won't breathe a sigh of relief until at least half a year passes after she's sworn in.
As a rural Ohioan, this is the fucking truth.
Particle Physicist
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How young exactly? He may have an edge, but that doesn't mean the young women voting for Hillary have no enthusiasm. She makes one or two mentions of "younger women in particular" and is generalizing throughout the entire article. In fact, she also references her own feelings multiple times and she looks to be in her 40s.
This article is just based off of anectodal evidence and has no basis in actual data
LiveFromKyoto
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"We've never had a woman hold the most powerful job in the world before."
The Tang Dynasty says what's up.
The Tang Dynasty says what's up.
You, I like you.
That's what happens when you're in the limelight so long, and especially when there's people trying to throw shit at you for 20-ish years. She was more exciting in '08 and absolutely would have won the nomination and the presidency (and have been a popular president, if not as popular as Obama), if a once in a lifetime candidate didn't come along.
Still exciting though. In 8 years we've went from the president being obly white dudes for 200+ years to a black dude and a woman back to back! I'd feel better if the black man didn't evoke such vitrol from racists, and the woman is likely to win cause she's running against someone who hates minorities, but that's another topic for another day.
Hillary is not the most inspiring woman in the world (aside from the fact that she's the first major woman candidate, which is inspiring as hell to a lot of people). Still, she's not the best at speaking, or getting people riled up, hell she's said that herself. What does matter is that she is very smart, and will be a great female president to pave the way for other, perhaps better spoken ones.
Still exciting though. In 8 years we've went from the president being obly white dudes for 200+ years to a black dude and a woman back to back! I'd feel better if the black man didn't evoke such vitrol from racists, and the woman is likely to win cause she's running against someone who hates minorities, but that's another topic for another day.
Hillary is not the most inspiring woman in the world (aside from the fact that she's the first major woman candidate, which is inspiring as hell to a lot of people). Still, she's not the best at speaking, or getting people riled up, hell she's said that herself. What does matter is that she is very smart, and will be a great female president to pave the way for other, perhaps better spoken ones.
That's even older than Clinton
Miles Quaritch
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Popularity is just as important as policies. Pretty sure that's been true for decades.
breakfuss
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It's fine, just don't let it happen again.
I suspect Gore's affability is why he won.
It really annoys me when the media voices it's problem with people as the public's problem. It just perpetuates this idea that the 'best people' in society are the ones who are constantly in the headlines.
We get it, she's been around a long time and she doesn't say racist things every time she opens her mouth so you don't have much to write about, that's not the public's problem with Hillary, it's yours.
We get it, she's been around a long time and she doesn't say racist things every time she opens her mouth so you don't have much to write about, that's not the public's problem with Hillary, it's yours.
Flying Toaster
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Brilliant... I love this post.
The fact that shes a woman (and we can use the word "she" in the first place) is huge, and important. But shes undeniably not appealing to a large voter base that is to her left on many economic issues and want her to move faster on social issues. An identical candidate who was a man would be total snooze-ville.
She has had her unique challenges, but I don't think she should be given a free pass on policy or leadership qualities (thankfully, shes not).
Its a good thing the competition has shot themselves in the foot.
She has had her unique challenges, but I don't think she should be given a free pass on policy or leadership qualities (thankfully, shes not).
Its a good thing the competition has shot themselves in the foot.
Flying Toaster
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Really? I mean in this age perhaps but lets not forget the founding fathers.
The Bookerman
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There's a reason why she got cheated on.
She is the second-least favorable presidential candidate since they started keeping records. This article isn't out of left field and unrepresentative of the electorate. People don't like her and will never be enthusiastic about her - even when their vote has a check next to Hillary. The article in the OP perfectly reflects that.
I don't think their mean her age, but the fact that she has been an important part of the political sphere in america for a whopping two decades, so to the younger demographic she is another "dinosaur", in the sense that she's been in the political game forever.
Hell, there are a demographic of people old enough to vote that were born in a world where she already held a high position among the democratic party and government in general.
Let that sink in.
The reason being her husband fell to temptation. Says nothing about Hilary and her potential as a world leading figurehead.
Fair enough I'll give you Jefferson. But even most founding fathers hadn't been in the white house for eight years and a senator for an equal time, as well as being secretary of state.
Interficium
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Nice hill you chose to die on there.
Flying Toaster
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They just were part of inventing Democracy... I guess that doesn't really equate to experience.
breakfuss
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Yikes bro lol. I'm trying to find the irony/joke here.
benjipwns
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And there's a reason why you are banned
Monocle
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If only this old lady who was a US senator, Secretary of State, and First Lady, had better qualifications for being president. Wouldn't it be great if she had a youthful face and a vigorous athletic body? This seasoned politician is too old and female to be an effective leader, am I right?
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