SliceSabre
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They found him guilty!?
Woow! I swear the media made it seem like there was reasonable doubt that he would do time.
Woow! I swear the media made it seem like there was reasonable doubt that he would do time.
Aaron Hernandez Found Guilty of First Degree Murder
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/aaron-...t-proven-he-pulled-the-trigger-010829290.html
There was more than enough evidence to prove that he was at the scene of the murder. In fact in summation the defence admitted that. Under Massachusetts' "joint venture" law the prosecution did not have to prove that Hernandez pulled the trigger, only that
Being there with foreknowledge of what was to happen was enough. They showed him driving a car, he hired with associates he invited by urgent request to come that night, to the scene of the crime. He then returned home with those same associates and did not inform police that he had witness the murder, and let the 'murderers' he invited sleep in his house.
I'm surprised other than the celeb factor that anyone thought it was an unlikely conviction.
GalacticMouse
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First Degree is more serious as it requires premeditation (planning the killing) and malice aforethought (you've shown that you want to kill that person).
Second Degree murder requires malice aforethought, but not premeditation.
Having no murder weapon and witnesses makes it hard to convict on either of those charges, but shouldn't preclude the prosecution from showing the differentiating factor, premeditation.
In this case, they were able to show that Hernandez's attitude towards Lloyd had changed in a short time period and that he called his two friends from CT throughout the day and ensured they were there for the murder (which he admittedly witnessed). Among other details, it seems that was enough for this jury to make the jump from second to first degree.
Also, even though they don't have the murder weapon, they have a lot of videos from Hernandez's security system of him flashing around a gun that night and they had an eyewitness testimony claiming that Hernandez owned the type of gun that was used to kill Lloyd.
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Would you say it seemed razor tight?
LyleLanley
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"Hernandez sentenced to MCI-Cedar Junction in Walpole, where he can probably hear Gillette Stadium on Sundays from the yard." - @GregABedard
That's going to hurt.
That's going to hurt.
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LQX
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So will the other trials still go forward? If they do they will be a massive waste of money.
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Goro Majima
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LQX
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I did not think about that...they do.
Hmm that makes perfect sense also.
Done and done.
Random Painted HIghway
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Seems the correct result. I like juries to actually deliberate, it shows respect to the parties and the process and that they aren't taking anything lihpghtly considering what's at stake,
Great thread as well, thanks for the updates, very interesting.
Great thread as well, thanks for the updates, very interesting.
TheLostBigBoss
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Hopefully the jury doesn't say something dumb and throw the case out.
boredofcanada
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Thanks for the thread Odinson.
The state only has to prove to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty. There's no material requirements or anything else, just "beyond a reasonable doubt".
If all you had to do was kill all the witnesses and destroy the weapon for every murder case to escape conviction, we'd basically never be able to have trials.
LyleLanley
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"Jurors admit Kraft's testimony was "compelling." AH told Kraft he hoped time of murder became public. "How did he know?" asked juror" - @GregABedard
They bring up a rather good point but I don't think that even matters since the defense admitted that he was there during the murder right?
They bring up a rather good point but I don't think that even matters since the defense admitted that he was there during the murder right?
Plus he was making 10$ million a year. So fucking dumb.
LyleLanley
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He had everything going for him in life and pretty much all he had to do was not murder someone.
I can never phantom that reasoning. For 40 mil you can hire a PR firm to make it sound like you are the realist dude on the streets
Ninja Scooter
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His reaction after the verdict is read is weird. I mean, how do you know how you will react to something as crazy as being found guilty of murder, but he almost just looks sorta bummed a little, like he just found out he was being benched for a game or something.
Or he drove up to popeyes for a 2 piece and they out of chicken.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Perhaps he's not so shocked about being convicted of a crime he obviously committed.
In states which do not impose the death penalty, conviction on a first degree murder charge with aggravating factors generally results in a sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole. In many states which do have the death penalty, an aggravated first degree murder conviction draws life in prison without parole if the prosecution does not seek, or fails to convince the court, to impose the death penalty.
Massachusetts does not have the death penalty.
djplaeskool
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With no death penalty, it's the only outcome for Murder in the 1st. 2nd degree grants parole opportunities after 15 years, I think. Someone in a prior post mentioned it.
BobTheFork
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D: Wow I did not think he was get convicted.
Thanks for all the thread updates, it was a good read.
So, thoughts? Did his defense just not do enough or maybe did all it could and it didn't matter? I thought he was guilty but without a smoking gun I was very skeptical about convicting a famous athlete.
I'm a legal ignoramus but I was surprised that his defense dropped the 'he was there but didn't do it' tag so late in the trail. They spent so much times refuting all of the evidence about the gun and the shoes and everything that put him at the scene. It's as if they realized it wasn't working and just said 'ok, he WAS there, but he didn't do it and was just a kid who didn't know what to do' That seems like a hail Mary and it buried him.
I'd love to hear an educated opinion.
Thanks for all the thread updates, it was a good read.
So, thoughts? Did his defense just not do enough or maybe did all it could and it didn't matter? I thought he was guilty but without a smoking gun I was very skeptical about convicting a famous athlete.
I'm a legal ignoramus but I was surprised that his defense dropped the 'he was there but didn't do it' tag so late in the trail. They spent so much times refuting all of the evidence about the gun and the shoes and everything that put him at the scene. It's as if they realized it wasn't working and just said 'ok, he WAS there, but he didn't do it and was just a kid who didn't know what to do' That seems like a hail Mary and it buried him.
I'd love to hear an educated opinion.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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That's exactly what happened. Their main strategy was having AH's fiancée not clarify anything surrounding AH being at the murder, having a gun, etc. They tried positing that PCP-induced psychosis had something to do with the murder. When that got refuted, they said if we put him at the scene of the crime, we can hope for a Murder 2 as an accomplice with eligibility for parole. That was literally the best option for AH at that point.
elrechazado
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I think after all this time he is used to being around belichek
I'm really wondering what Tebow is thinking, given Tebow is the one that basically protected his ass after a bar fight on University IIRC.
CitizenCope
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I missed it but they are ripping the jurors on the radio for the laughter. Wish I saw it.
Lmao imagine if some athlete did that?
graffix13
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Thanks. That makes sense.
I was wondering myself why the defense admitted he was there, as that is just admitting guilt pretty much.
But they were going for a Murder 2 instead of Murder 1 at that point.
Tallshortman
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That's the mandatory sentence for his conviction. If he was in Texas we may be talking about death penalty instead.
He probably wanted Hernandez all to himself with his Dexter looking ass.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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Motive was never clearly stated, but it was clear that his relationship with Lloyd had soured days leading up to the murder. It could have been related to: (1) Lloyd had knowledge of AH's involvement with the 2012 double murder and wanted him quieted; or, (2) he was interacting with guys that AH didn't like or had issue with.
1 seems more likely than 2, especially if the double-murder goes to trial and he is linked to it.
Wow can't believe a rich guy actually got convicted of murder in the US.
lol
lol
theechrisfox
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Reminds me of Alcatraz, where inmates were said to hear laughter and merriment breezing in from the main land at night. I am pretty much ok with reminding murderers of all they are missing out on.
More then that, the majority of all evidence used in court is circumstantial, if you couldn't convict with just circumstantial evidence, you basically wont ever get any convictions.
GregLombardi
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Thanks to Odinson, I popped in this thread often. Kind of crazy that the jury came down so hard on him after so many days of deliberations but it did in fact seem as though he was obviously guilty. Mass. law doesn't help Hernandez either given what's required for guilty on first degree.
Crazy!
Crazy!
timetokill
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Thanks again to Odinson.
it looks like justice is served. Aaron thought he was bulletproof.
Urban let players get away with all sorts of shit, who knows what else he did there.
it looks like justice is served. Aaron thought he was bulletproof.
Urban let players get away with all sorts of shit, who knows what else he did there.
El_Presidente
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What was the supposed reason for AH killing Lloyd?
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the consensus seems that Odin might have had info regarding the other two murders AH is being charged for and he was just covering his tracks.
BobTheFork
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Brilliant!
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