About this whole EA/Nintendo thing... does Nintendo need EA?

After next week Capcom will have zero announced titles in development for the WiiU.
Namco's only announced upcoming WiiU title is a Nintendo collaboration.
Atlus's only announced WiiU game is a Nintendo collaboration.
Nope, Capcom still has their eShop lineup coming this summer (D&D Chronicles of Mystara, DuckTales Remastered). They were also pretty happy with MH3U sales on the system (700k worldwide, likely shipped + digital), so I'd expect more ports out of them.
 
What Nintendo needs is something like EA's demographic. Everybody would be happy with customers going after your yearly installments. Even Mario games are not that consistent.
 
EA makes very few games worth my while and the quality of their games and business decisions have reached all time lows.

I buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games. For the most part, any other game I want I can grab off of steam for pretty cheap. I really like to think Nintendo doesn't need EA.

Well you can't grab EA games off steam very cheap, because EA don't sell their games there anymore.
Because of Valves horrible, horrible, horrible DLC terms and conditions that stop EA giving the consumer experience they really really want to anywhere except on their own digital distribution platform.

EA are pretty unlucky really, first Valve are huge douchebags to them and they have to stop selling their games there, now Nintendo are screwing them over, and they have to stop selling their games there, its only a matter of time before Ms or Sony are mean to them too.
 
EA doesn't need Nintendo and Nintendo doesn't need EA.

However, not having a source of regularly incoming games to fill out the calendar is not a good thing for the Wii U.
 
Well Nintendo can survive without EA but they won't get far. Sales would probably be Gamecube levels rather than 360 or ps3 levels if EA withdrew all support.
Wii had really bad support from EA and none of their games made a meaningful impact. What is the best selling EA game on 3DS?
 
Reposting myself from another thread. I think EA thinks that they're better off without Nintendo in the picture. What they're doing is not a very aggressive move.

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No doubt that Nintendo botched the launch, but the industry is just f'n weird.

What's happening with some publishers is just weird.

I feel like the console games industry can be seen as two different industries.

The first one, and the that's trying to emulate the Hollywood blockbuster model. Teams that put together films don't stay around long. They don't last multiple films. At most you get core groups of two or three people. One person is a production company. Small developers die doing this. Only small core groups survive, and everyone else is contracted to work on a per project basis. This model consolidates power to the publishers. This is the model that EA wants. This is the model that Activision wants. And Blockbusters are cool. Everyone wants to work on them.

The other model is model that died in 80s for film. The small studio model where each studio had to be able to handle - through loans or venture backers - aspects of development and publishing, but the small studios have a real chance of creating something lasting.

Blockbusters push out that other model very effectively over the course of years and decades.

EA wants to see the last place where that model finds a home to fail. They're not making the money they want to there, and it would take userbase development for them to make that money. They're making a bet that if they don't invest the money now, they can help Nintendo fail in the market, and won't have to make that investment later. They're working to consolidate the hollywood model.

The only other side of this is that the "indie" model - the model with no funding that doesn't make any money sort of thrives here. But it doesn't matter to EA, because the indie's don't make money, and if they do, they can usually be bought or at worst cloned.

Maybe Wii U dies in the market. Maybe it doesn't.

I just hope that if they do fail out of the Wii U, they take it as an opportunity to merge the Home and Handheld platforms. Maybe give the 4DS the ability to stream to an HDMI receiver - sort of a backwards Wii U.
 
No Fifa is a big deal for a lot of people.


If you plan to be a front running console that appeals to all demographics then EA Sports games are a must. Even Dreamcast had the arguably superior 2K sports games to cover that loss. Nintendo have nothing.


Fuck even the PC needs a Hockey game, still waiting for that.
 
If you plan to be a front running console that appeals to all demographics then EA Sports games are a must. Even Dreamcast had the arguably superior 2K sports games to cover that loss. Nintendo have nothing.


Fuck even the PC needs a Hockey game, still waiting for that.
What's ProEvo? Chopped liver?
 
I loved Boom Blox, one of my favorite Wii games when playing with friends, but it's not a high-profile high-budget AAA game.

Yep, because they didn´t put any marketing budget behind it. And that is the problem Nintendo is facing now. The big publishers are trained to appeal to an certain audience which are used to get the best versions of their, pardon me my choice of words, "white male supremacy" games on PS/XBOX. But Nintendo liked playing pretend and said "look look, we got Batman".
 
Can you sign into other Wii Us with that account? Can you redownload your purchased games on another Wii U with that account?

No, but I've never had the need to sign on to someone else's console with my information and while I agree that it would be an improvement if I *could* download my games on another Wii U...I don't really plan on buying another one and the last time I had a Nintendo system go in for repairs I never lost anything so...I'm not seeing much of a problem here.
 
I am baffled how people can think they don't.

EA's market share is massive. If they release no content, it's a huge slice of the pie Nintendo has 0 revenue from. 0.

And at the highest level, it's immensely damaging from a perception standpoint.
Even if Nintendo consumers don't actively buy every EA game, NO platform holder wants the stigma of 'what, this can't even play EA games on it?' - that's a nightmare to overcome for your average buyer, it adds an opportunity cost to the actual hardware cost that is really steep for most.

Its true that no support even from a publisher that has a history of giving Nintendo crappy support is not a good thing. At the same time Nintendo has survived being shut out from big publishers before while having bad or good hardware sales.

I don't think they need each other at all. EA will succeed or fail either way and so will Nintendo.
 
The impact EA made on Nintendo hardware has been nil in the past decade. This affects neither of them. Call me when Ubisoft drops Nintendo, that's a big deal.
 
I never owned a single EA game for my Wii.

Both companies will survive. Yes, FIFA and Madden are massive games, but most who play them do so on 360/PS3 and will probably move to PS4/Durango....even if EA changed course and released future iterations on Wii U.
 
Fifa
Madden
NFS
Battlefield
Mass Effect
Dragon Age
Sims
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Sure who needs publisher with potential to sell over hundreds of milions of games over single generation.
 
It's all about an image problem that is growing and growing. All by itself, one might say "they can live without them, it's not the end of the world." Even though I'd say that's a pretty poor argument, one can live with that.

But then let's compound the issue for a moment. Let's see what is happening the Wii U in totality, and then we can see why such news does not exist in a vacuum and why Nintendo absolutely cannot afford EA to jump ship:


Frostbite Technical Director on Why Frostbite never came to Wii U
Nintendo's comically awful virtual console Wii U release list
Wii U hacked (this is bad or good depending on which side you're on)
Madden 25 not coming to Wii U (one of the biggest franchises on Earth)
Battlefield 4 Skipping Wii U
(since these are now part of the No EA games sphere)
Problems with Wii U OS/firmware updates
Iwata discussing what is wrong with the Wii U including 'game delays, understaffing, etc'
A topic discussing the completely empty Japanese Wii U release schedule
A topic where Nintendo themselves discusses Wii U's complete lack of momentum and other problems
Deep Silver: No Wii U titles from us (Saints Row/Dead Island/etc)
CNet: Nintendo's Big Problem
The Wii U won't be getting Unreal Engine 4
Here is a thread showing video evidence of the inhumanely atrocious Wii U OS and its loading speeds (this is finally being worked on, thankfully though)
February 2013 NPD
January 2013 NPD
March 2013 NPD
April 2013 NPD

Now, this bad news is just in the past few months, and I'm not even close to comprehensive here. Now, add in this EA news:

EA has no titles in development for Wii U

And you'll see why this is such a growing, alarming problem. EA by itself is just a thing, maybe they need them, maybe they don't. EA as a symptom of the larger problem plaguing Nintendo, now that's a serious issue. That is something Nintendo does not need to have on top of all the problems. So yeah, Nintendo does need EA.
 
No, but I've never had the need to sign on to someone else's console with my information and while I agree that it would be an improvement if I *could* download my games on another Wii U...I don't really plan on buying another one and the last time I had a Nintendo system go in for repairs I never lost anything so...I'm not seeing much of a problem here.
Guess you dont lend games to people, or go over to your friends house, or like having any sort of control over your games. Not much of an account if you cant do those things.

Just because youve never needed to doesnt mean other people dont. Every other online platform is capable of this.
 
No, no they don't need EA. Just look at that list of best sellers for the Wii and you see a wall of "Nintendo" with a few random Ubisoft games in the mix.

People like to think that Nintendo was dominating with the Wii, but the reality was that they were dominating with a specific segment of the market, the casual gamer market. The Wii was fools gold. They had a huge user base and were "printing money" with phenomenal sales of hardware and software (mainly nintendo published or just dance by ubi), but in reality they weren't getting sales to the main segment of the market that stays put and buys many games, the core gamer.

The Wii U and Nintendo have been passed over by the casual market. They've moved on to the next big thing which is mobile/tablet and the core gamer still remains, but the larger portion of this group have no interest in playing mario & company and then there's the smaller portion that loves big N and will keep supporting them so long as they keep giving us fun games to play. This is Nintendo's niche audience and it's pretty much all they have left as the core gamer would rather buy a sony/ms system and the casual crowd is gone.

Nintendo needs to step back and reanalyze what they're working with and must acknowledge that they don't have the casual, nor the core market. They should just appeal to what they have, the nintendo crowd and those core gamers who do enjoy playing their games, but are waiting for actual games from nintendo before they plop damn a few benjamins to get one.

TL:DR = nintendo lost the casual and core audience and are left with the niche nintendo faithful. 3rd party support is gone and the Wii 1 sales chart was proof that nobody was getting paid off it except mainly big n... they don't need EA... they just need themselves, but need to fix their ways so they don't lose their own niche segment
 
No Fifa, no Madden, no Sims, no Burnout, no Mass Effect, etc.

It's a big dent in the library, that's for sure. It begs the question "Is Nintendo expecting you to own other consoles?"
 
I feel like not having the Star Wars or sports games on Wii U at all will be a pretty big blow. Everything else probably wouldn't do too well with the Wii U audience but those will create massive gaps in the library.
 
Have they ever had much much support from them? I recall the Mega Drive getting FIFA games yearly, but i'm pretty sure only a couple ever came out for the SNES. And on the 3DS side...how many handheld games have EA made for Nintendo consoles in the last 10 years?
 
I don't think those swishy Euros can buy a system that doesn't allow for the possibility of laying FIFA. I don't think they even buy graphing calculators Miles's someone puts FIFA on it.
 
According to the Miiverse Nintendo will be fine without EA, and people are happy playing Madden 13 for the next few years.
 
No Fifa, no Madden, no Sims, no Burnout, no Mass Effect, etc.

It's a big dent in the library, that's for sure. It begs the question "Is Nintendo expecting you to own other consoles?"
Can you give me an example of those games' sales on other Nintendo consoles before Wii U?
 
After next week Capcom will have zero announced titles in development for the WiiU.
Namco's only announced upcoming WiiU title is a Nintendo collaboration.
Atlus's only announced WiiU game is a Nintendo collaboration.

The soul game Namco has announced for this year is Mario Kart Arcade GP DX.

Namco-Bandai already released Tekken Tag 2 on the Wii U, they released Tank! Tank! Tank! earlier this year and they are working on the next Smash Brothers. They have a LOT of 3DS games coming out.
Major 3rd party support 1

Capcom is releasing DuckTales Remastered, Resident Evil: Revelations HD and a ton of 3DS games. They released Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate for the Wii U earlier this year and said it is a "Smash Hit!" http://gimmegimmegames.com/2013/02/monster-hunter-tri-g-is-a-smash-hit-on-wii-u/ On a side note, they have no plans for a Vita version. http://www.vg247.com/2013/04/27/monster-hunter-capcom-has-no-plans-for-a-vita-version-at-the-moment/
Major 3rd party support 2

Atlus isn't releasing much of anything this year(they are having major financial problems so its to be expected), but most of the games that they are releasing are going to be on the 3DS. They still have Fire Emblem X Shin Megami Tensei as well.
Major 3rd party support 3

Do I need to bring up SEGA?
 
What really makes no sense is the Star Wars deal. Stat Wars sells on Nintendo platforms! Kids love it. We Nintendo geeks love it. They must really never expect Wii U to attain any profitable userbase whatsoever. Even with Gamecube numbers they could probably get a decent amount of sales. I suppose the effort to run FB decently was deemed not worth the effort.
 
Hard to say if Nintendo litterally needs EA support, but not having that extra income means that it will be harder for Nintendo to reach that 1 billion yen (or was it dollar?) revenue for the fiscal year of 2013.


It's been true for like the last 30 plus years.......
Nintendo have seen a lot of 3rd party support during the 30 years though. The most recent Wii and DS were massive in terms of 3rd party support, which all brought in a lot of revenue for Nintendo. Nintendo's own produced games have usually been the biggest sellers, but there really hasnt been a case with Nintendo platforms (maybe except the Virtual Boy) where Nintendo were pretty much the only game developers, so its hard to say how such senario would have worked out. In these days, games usually gets more expencive to produce as well, which means that sales also need to increase if they want to maintain similar incomes as before, so 3rd party support in these days might be more important than ever.


EA sucks. Their games are all hype and no substance. No big loss.
The mainstream Madden players wouldn't have bought the WiiU anyway.
What do you mean with no substance? Their sports games for examples seems to be very advance, at least after my experience. Battlefield is also very solid, in my opinion.
 
Nintendo have seen a lot of 3rd party support during the 30 years though. The most recent Wii and DS were massive in terms of 3rd party support, which all brought in a lot of revenue for Nintendo. Nintendo's own produced games have usually been the biggest sellers, but there really hasnt been a case with Nintendo platforms (maybe except the Virtual Boy) where Nintendo were pretty much the only game developers, so its hard to say how such senario would have worked out. In these days, games usually gets more expencive to produce as well, which means that sales also need to increase if they want to maintain similar incomes as before.



What do you mean with no substance? Their sports games for examples seems to be very advance, at least after my experience. Battlefield is also very solid, in my opinion.

And they are still seeing good third party support. Just not from EA.

Losing the support of the worst company in America is not as big of a deal as people are trying to inflate it to be.
 
And they are still seeing good third party support. Just not from EA.

Losing the support of the worst company in America is not as big of a deal as people are trying to inflate it to be.
Yeah, they still have 3rd party support indeed. I didnt mean to say that they didnt, i just wanted to point out that Nintendo has had much 3rd party support and that this has been a very noticeable part of their income (getting fees/revenues from 3rd party sales).

EA being voted as the worse company in America (how many voted by the way, a few thousand people?) doesnt really mean anything though. People still buy games that they are interested in. I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of the people who voted for EA being the worse company in America will still buy games from EA.
 
Who cares if their games sell Nintendo is a hardware manufacturer as well. They need licensing fees and income from third parties to make money.

Why not have capcom just make their own console if this all first party notion is true; it's not and having a big third parties licensing fees gone is gonna hurt hard.
 
And they are still seeing good third party support. Just not from EA.

Losing the support of the worst company in America is not as big of a deal as people are trying to inflate it to be.
What support does the Wii U have lined up from Activision, Square, Capcom or Take Two? The only major third party support on the system comes from "let's port it to every platform on earth" Ubisoft.
 
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