Seven Force
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While I'd agree that AA2 has the weakest cases in the series (barring 2-4, of course), on a recent replay, I found that 2-2 is actually pretty enjoyable. Sets up
Morgan's role in AA3 quite well
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While I'd agree that AA2 has the weakest cases in the series (barring 2-4, of course), on a recent replay, I found that 2-2 is actually pretty enjoyable. Sets up
AA1 still reigns supreme for me.
Obviously I'll see what I think after I play it again, but I remember feeling very indifferent toward that case, but it's nice that it makes such a big comeback in 3-5. It's good for the story elements, and it's important in making 3-5 such a brilliant one, but I can't really remember any big "moments" in the trials of that case off the top of my head, and that's where the best moments need to happen.
Ignoring tutorial cases: AA1 has
April was with someone else at the hotel in Case 2, Cody saw the Steel Samurai lose in Case 3
Pearl is awesome, though. I will grant the case that for introducing her.
thetrin
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Imo, with all the story in tow up to that point, AA3 beats AA1 handily. It's not even a contest.
Finding out in case 2-2 that
it was Ini Miney who died in the car accident, not Mimi
The AAHD trilogy... shame it's only for iOS. Would love to see it in the eShop as well, but, I know that that will not happen.
Oh, shit I forgot about that one, haha. Those Ace Attorney writers and their punny names
I recently replayed the original trilogy while I'm waiting for my copy of Apollo Justice to arrive this weekend.
Apollo Justice is a good game, it's got good music and the difficulty, story and crazy twists are up there with the other games, the problem was turning Phoenix into a hobo for no apparent reason but I'm glad that'll be fixed(?) in AA5.
I think I agree with your order of preference here, I found AAI like a good attempt at mixing things up a little bit but man... that last case felt like it took forever, they kept dragging it when I thought it'd be over already.
Seven Force
Banned
Fair enough. The only big twist in 2-2 is the one
involving the truth behind Ini and the accident.
That twist you mentioned in 1-3 is probably one of my favorite in the series. I think that was the point in the game where I realized I was playing something special.
I felt exactly the same way. The writers / localization team for this series is just phenomenal.
Finished PLvsAA last night. Overall it was a very good game, though I still need some time to fully gather my thoughts on it.
The biggest thing that sticks out to me is that the presentation is just phenomenal. Having just finished replaying AAI2 a few weeks before, it was just a huge shift, both in terms of graphics/animations and audio.
The game also felt like a natural evolution of the court segments in a lot of ways, and I'm looking forward to seeing if AA5 can match that feeling.
Also: holy shit is the last case long. From the start of the final trial to the end it took me about 6 hours. Granted that's with my Japanese reading speed/taking photos for later blogging, so chop an hour or two off, but still.
The biggest thing that sticks out to me is that the presentation is just phenomenal. Having just finished replaying AAI2 a few weeks before, it was just a huge shift, both in terms of graphics/animations and audio.
The game also felt like a natural evolution of the court segments in a lot of ways, and I'm looking forward to seeing if AA5 can match that feeling.
Also: holy shit is the last case long. From the start of the final trial to the end it took me about 6 hours. Granted that's with my Japanese reading speed/taking photos for later blogging, so chop an hour or two off, but still.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
Do you think if PWvsPL is already released in Japan that if Level 5 was doing a localization that they would at the very least announce that one is coming?
Not necessarily. The older PL games didn't have localizations announced until well after their JP release (Miracle Mask was the exception since it was a 3DS launch title so they showed off a very early version back at E3 2010).
My guess is that we'll see PLvsAA late next year, following the one-a-year Layton localization schedule. That also works on Capcom's end, since I'm guessing we won't see AA5 stateside until early 2014.
BassForever
Member
I'd say it 'caters' towards both, though ultimately I felt the AA halves were a bit stronger/had more put into them, largely because there's so many new little touches in them, whereas the Layton segments are pretty much the same as always, just with Phoenix and Maya tagging along.
The story is pretty strong overall, though I wouldn't call it as strong as, say, Ghost Trick, and the final trial has some pacing problems. There is a tweest.
I meant to do an OT for this but it didn't pan out. Assuming I'm more free when (if) an English release happens I'll probably do that one (assuming someone else can do graphics; my Layton 4 OT was basically bordered text over the official art).
Of course, and it's still a great game. It's just like any other game in that it does have some weaker points.
Chrono Helix
Member
I'm 13 hours in, just began the second witch trial, the
Golden Witch Trial.
multi-witness system
Maybe I'm being premature, but I remember hearing about some free post-game DLC? Has that been released yet?
Yeah, the multi-witness thing is so fun that AA5's going to feel a little plain when it goes back to just one witness. (I wouldn't consider said system a spoiler since they've bandied it about since they first started giving us solid info on the game.)
The DLC is coming out soon, but they haven't announced a release date yet.
Chrono Helix
Member
I just finished the second witch trial. MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD. DO NOT READ THIS UNLESS YOU'VE PLAYED THE GAME, OR YOU'LL REGRET IT. I'M SERIOUS.
NOOOOOOO MAYOI!!!!! Well I know they won't really kill her off, but still. (And I think the way Naruhodo screamed her name wasn't very well done). And Argray's story too! So tragic!
Hehe. The ends of chapters 3 and 4 are such whammies, even though
you know they'd never actually kill Layton/Maya off.
And yeah,
Patras kind of got the short end of the stick, didn't she? One of the more tragic 'villains' in the series (even though she didn't actually kill anyone).
podracer35
Member
Watching the first hour of both Layton and Wright's gameplay has gotten me super hyped for PLvsAA.... Hopefully the rumors of 2013 western release is true...
Now all I have to do is track down the AA games and play them all (I'm a horrible person, I know.) There was talk of that HD collection coming to Android devices in addition to iOS, but Capcom seems to have forgotten all about the iOS release, so I've given up hope on an Android release.
Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZCzFhbzQTU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnXkfWXHmwg
PLvsAA has some HAMAZING music!
Now all I have to do is track down the AA games and play them all (I'm a horrible person, I know.) There was talk of that HD collection coming to Android devices in addition to iOS, but Capcom seems to have forgotten all about the iOS release, so I've given up hope on an Android release.
Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZCzFhbzQTU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnXkfWXHmwg
PLvsAA has some HAMAZING music!
wanna share that url? :7
I am not a fan of orchestrated music that gets orchestrated just for the sake of it, but here it's kinda fiting thanks to the medival theme.
i still vastly prefere the original mit chiptuney versions though
Chrono Helix
Member
I'm in the middle of the last case now, and I'm having trouble understanding one of the main points of the investigation. Specifically, what's the big deal with
EDITLvsAA spoilers above
the footprints going up the belltower? Meromero from the vigilante corps leaves footprints with very pointed shoes, and the 4th member of the corps saw the footprints going up the tower and didn't report them, because he thought they belonged to Meromero and not the intruder. You can tell that they're not Meromero's because the toes of those footprints are more rounded than her boots, and Meromero specifically affirms that those footprints are not hers during that very cross-examination. So why didn't the 4th member report those footprints to his commander? He really didn't realize that those weren't Meromero's? And there was something about how there were at first sharp-toed footprints going up, and later round-toed footprints followed those footprints exactly while climbing the belltower.
Later on, when you question Jodra about being the one who carried Mahone up the belltower, the footprints are again used to prove something, but I'm not sure how it proved Jodra carried Mahone. I'm only at the part where you tell the court magic doesn't exist, so please don't explain anything beyond that.
Later on, when you question Jodra about being the one who carried Mahone up the belltower, the footprints are again used to prove something, but I'm not sure how it proved Jodra carried Mahone. I'm only at the part where you tell the court magic doesn't exist, so please don't explain anything beyond that.
EDIT
LvsAA spoilers aboveProfessor Beef
Banned
You might wanna specify which game you're talking about, Chrono Helix.
I'm in the middle of the last case now, and I'm having trouble understanding one of the main points of the investigation. Specifically, what's the big deal withthe footprints going up the belltower? Meromero from the vigilante corps leaves footprints with very pointed shoes, and the 4th member of the corps saw the footprints going up the tower and didn't report them, because he thought they belonged to Meromero and not the intruder. You can tell that they're not Meromero's because the toes of those footprints are more rounded than her boots, and Meromero specifically affirms that those footprints are not hers during that very cross-examination. So why didn't the 4th member report those footprints to his commander? He really didn't realize that those weren't Meromero's? And there was something about how there were at first sharp-toed footprints going up, and later round-toed footprints followed those footprints exactly while climbing the belltower.
Later on, when you question Jodra about being the one who carried Mahone up the belltower, the footprints are again used to prove something, but I'm not sure how it proved Jodra carried Mahone. I'm only at the part where you tell the court magic doesn't exist, so please don't explain anything beyond that.
EDIT
That part confused me too. I think what happened was
Madalla's shoes are close enough to Meromero's that the guard didn't realize the difference. Then when Jordolla went up with Mahoney, she stepped where Madalla did. Not 100% sure why that proves Jordolla was carrying Mahoney, though, I'd have to replay it.
chickdigger802
Banned
AAHD ios been delayed to early 2013, so stop holding your breath
BassForever
Member
Not sure if that's true, but there is no guarantee those episodes aren't AA1-1 level of length
I doubt they mean "episode" in the AA meaning of the term. More likely these'll be fairly brief scenes with a few puzzles interspersed. Maybe a court segment striped out over a couple.
podracer35
Member
AAHD ios been delayed to early 2013, so stop holding your breath
I heard about this... It kinda sucks... But I just hope it means they're working on making it better.
Or at least working to release on Android as well! The games are not easy to find at a good price. :/
Nocturnowl
Member
Those are magnificent, Gentlemanly Layton is either amazing or terrifying.
I really like how Wright and Maya translated to the Layton style.
I really like how Wright and Maya translated to the Layton style.
I need to write an Ace Attorney article for a local VG magazine, it needs to cover all the games and the story up to Investigations 1 (Will mention Investigations 2 briefly but cut it short since it hasn't been released overseas yet), I might need to write a preview of PLvsAA and mention the few details we know so far about Ace Attorney 5 too.
Simply put, what are the most important things regarding the story, mechanics, characters, etc that one should mention in this kind of article? There are so many things to mention that I don't know where to begin, Attorney GAF please help!
Simply put, what are the most important things regarding the story, mechanics, characters, etc that one should mention in this kind of article? There are so many things to mention that I don't know where to begin, Attorney GAF please help!
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Read the OP for Beef and my summaries
Duly noted, now to translate some stuff to spanish and stir things up a bit.
Got bored, so here's a ton of AA5 speculation.
Marketing/release speculation:
Case one:
Later cases:
So yeah. Basically, we need more info on this game, and we need it now.
Marketing/release speculation:
- I would guess a late spring/early summer release in Japan, going off past releases. I don't remember the details of AJ's marketing, but it didn't really get shown off until TGS, then it released in April. Similar deal with AAI, except that was May. AAI2 broke that pattern, but AAI2 also didn't have the developments shifts AJ or AAI1 did (first game for the DS from ground up for AJ, shift in gameplay style for AAI). Early 2014 in America/Europe.
- As for more info about the game, I'd expect another Famitsu article in the next month or two. AAI2 was sort of unusual in how often we got media on it (by this time for AAI2 we had a second big trailer with voice acting and all the major characters); I'm guessing we'll see a much slower drip for AA5. At earliest, we could see something next week, since there's already a promised large Capcom project in that issue, but I wouldn't put money on it.
- That said, said drips will include at least some returning characters. My money's on Ema remaining the detective for the game and getting revealed along with the prosecutor; Apollo and Trucy might be supporting characters like Shigaraki in AAI2 and get shown later.
Case one:
- Case one will have a victim, in spite of the evidence from the demo saying there were no casualties. The TGS demo ended with Shinobu remembering (through the magic of the Heart Scope (wow that sounds like a lead-in to a Magical Girl anime))
. This thus provides the requisite murder charge for an AA case.a security guard who was pushing her out of the way of falling rubble. My guess is that the guard was killed by the rubble instead, but his body hadn't been found by the time case one starts
- Barashima will be the bomber (duh), but he'll have been egged into it by an outside force.
- Payne's brother will either be said outside force, or at the very least try and get away with using forged evidence in Shinobu's trial.
- Apollo was the defense attorney in the trial that got blown up. In the coming months we'll see bits of him in other cases as support, but when the game comes out he'll turn out to be a witness in case one.
- The prosecutor in the trial that got blown up will be the main prosecutor for the game. This is going off of the anime scene still of the silhouette in tatters in the courtroom; it kind of reminds me of the prosecutor silhouette at the end of the trailer. Phoenix solving the case will pique his or her interest in him.
Later cases:
- While we're on the subject of the prosecutor, I'm guessing new character and not Apollo/Yumihiko/Old!Edgeworth as has been speculated. Nothing really to back me up here other than tradition, but I don't think they'd use such a major character role on a returning character.
- Later cases will have some returning characters, but more on the level of AA2 or AA3, not the cameo-fest that was AAI and AAI2. I'm guessing a few AJ characters and a few original trilogy characters. I would not be surprised to see Larry again, completely unchanged in looks. I would be surprised to see Maya, though - call me crazy, but I think they're going to let her lie. Dunno about Edgeworth. Klavier'll probably pop up. No idea about AAI characters.
- I'm going to guess 5 cases here, but that's just a guess. It honestly depends on how much development time Capcom's giving the team. If this is the case, I'd imagine at least one case is played partially or wholly as either Kokone or Apollo.
- There'll be a strong overarching story, though it won't be like AAI2 where literally every case winds up being a key part of the main story. More like AA3 or AJ.
So yeah. Basically, we need more info on this game, and we need it now.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
So, still nothing on the original 3 being in HD? What the hell Capcom!
In other news, I just finished watching the movie. I really enjoyed it.
In other news, I just finished watching the movie. I really enjoyed it.
I had seen it just recently as well. Aside from some modifications they made from the game that I wasn't too happy with such as completely changing Redd White's character, I enjoyed it too. How an elaborate, technological device was used to represent how the evidence is presented in court was a great touch.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
Gaw holding out for a US release for the movie is becoming excruciating.
podracer35
Member
Well, there was news of it being delayed to 2013, but the fact that there's not much news about the release at all is disappointing.
