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[lexi]

Please link me to the posts with this 'cooing.' I haven't seen a single one I'd describe like that.

I would describe it as 'restrained jubilation'.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

jumping to conclusions is always bad. It's a powerful tool that opressed (or rather, that are part of a minority and/or oppressed group) people can use, unlike those with privilege. I only can hope this opens the eyes of those who see everything as black or white without giving the other side a chance (pun not intended). Without the audio record, many would still believe it happened because similar (and worse things happened).

You know what's the name of that? Prejudice. And racism is inherently founded on prejudice on most cases.

Prejudice what? The reaction is based on police finally getting caught so much lately that public trust in them has dropped.

 

[Volimar]

It is upsetting that some posters are so happy not that this was revealed not to be more police-served racism, but that they were right about not believing her. Like positively cooing with delight that they were right and others were wrong. Score one for devil's advocacy then

Score one for waiting for both sides of the story.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

I would describe it as 'restrained jubilation'.

OK, link me to those posts, then. I haven't seen any I'd describe as 'restrained jubilation' either.

 

[Strike]

The only thing I'll say is that this is yet another great reason for cops to wear lapel cameras.

Yup, I think that's the real takeaway from all this. Recordings can't lie as well as people can.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

OK, link me to those posts, then. I haven't seen any I'd describe as 'restrained jubilation' either.

Are you suddenly unable to see your own posts?

Zen Arcade has some fun ones too

 

[Chariot]

It is upsetting that some posters are so happy not that this was revealed not to be more police-served racism, but that they were right about not believing her. Like positively cooing with delight that they were right and others were wrong. Score one for devil's advocacy then

No wonder after the beatdown some people got for telling people to stay calm until more information is out and not pulling out Nazi comparisons. People handled the sparse information as fact and tried to devalue the opinion of those who didn't. Of course, feeling like a winner isn't a good trait, but I only saw one poster who did that.

Look at DoktorEvil who kept arguing his point the entire thread. He isn't gloating above others as far as I see and Sorian, the user who got banned for telling people to hold their horses, didn't show up so far. I get your worries, but I don't see how they apply to this thread.

Also keep in mind that people simply told people to wait for more information. Honest to god, I did believe Mrs Watts and was ready to condemn the policeman without question. But I now stand corrected and see that there was indeed to few information to judge properly. No need to shy away from that fact that we, that is the majority of the thread, judged too fast.

 

[HerbertFish]

The woman and especially the guy seem to think way too highly of themselves. I wonder if this ruins her career

 

[stufte]

Are you suddenly unable to see your own posts?

Zen Arcade has some fun ones too

You mean like this one?

I was on her side until I heard the audio.

Totally on the cops' side now.

This was a non-story blown up by a bratty actress looking to make trouble for the police officers.

Yah what a jerk for changing his mind when more information came to light...

/s

 

[Htown]

Why do people keep saying that? Her action isn't resetting every effort made to improve society.

No, but I'm not looking forward to hearing about this spoiled actress in every race related discussion going forward.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

Are you suddenly unable to see your own posts?

Zen Arcade has some fun ones too

The ones where I said I believed Daniele Watts until I heard the audio?

The ones where I said that the country has gotten in such a state that I have such a low opinion of the cops that I never would've sided with them had the recordings not surfaced?

Those posts?

You're really projecting something ugly, something that's apparently deep inside of you, not me.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

No, but I'm not looking forward to hearing about this spoiled actress in every race related discussion going forward.

Agreed. I think people are being a bit dishonest in thinking this won't be a repeated talking point whenever it comes time to trust a story from a woman or black person.

 

[stufte]

No, but I'm not looking forward to hearing about this spoiled actress in every race related discussion going forward.

Anyone who would do that is an asshole.

 

[HerbertFish]

Agreed. I think people are being a bit dishonest in thinking this won't be a repeated talking point whenever it comes time to trust a story from a woman or black person.

Can we at least wait until it happens then? Or else we're just jumping the gun...again.

 

[DoktorEvil]

No wonder after the beatdown some people got for telling people to stay calm until more information is out and not pulling out Nazi comparisons. People handled the sparse information as fact and tried to devalue the opinion of those who didn't. Of course, feeling like a winner isn't a good trait, but I only saw one poster who did that.

Look at DoktorEvil who kept arguing his point the entire thread. He isn't gloating above others as far as I see and Sorian, the user who got banned for telling people to hold their horses, didn't show up so far. I get your worries, but I don't see how they apply to this thread.

Also keep in mind that people simply told people to wait for more information. Honest to god, I did believe Mrs Watts and was ready to condemn the policeman without question. But I now stand corrected and see that there was indeed to few information to judge properly. No need to shy away from that fact that we, that is the majority of the thread, judged too fast.

What's there to gloat about?

The first post had a shitty article by Variety and two pictures showing posters the actress, one of which is her crying.

All I asked about was more context. It's not far above my head for me to believe Cali police aren't predatory/discriminatory, but I also didn't expect a shoddy writing job by Variety either.

What I didn't like was the Requests for ID being compared to Nazi Germany.

No, but I'm not looking forward to hearing about this spoiled actress in every race related discussion going forward.

Agreed. I think people are being a bit dishonest in thinking this won't be a repeated talking point whenever it comes time to trust a story from a woman or black person.

Both of you sound really petty only caring about your feelings. Because from what it sounds like, only your arguments hold water and no one else's.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

The ones where I said I believed Daniele Watts until I heard the audio?

The ones where I said that the country has gotten in such a state that I have such a low opinion of the cops that I never would've sided with them had the recordings not surfaced?

Those posts?

You're really projecting something ugly, something that's apparently deep inside of you, not me.

I read more of your earlier posts and I made a mistake, you were balanced. I apologize to you.

And I must be projecting, because all off the discussions on Gaf involving race and police just need more facts

Let's all be quiet until we have all the facts

 

[Chariot]

No, but I'm not looking forward to hearing about this spoiled actress in every race related discussion going forward.

People who don't see that she is probably just an idiotic rich person, would just use another argument of that caliber anyways. People who are really ready to talk about things can easily taught about her action for this situation is relatively simple.

What's there to gloat about?

The first post had a shitty article by Variety and two pictures showing posters the actress, one of which is her crying.

All I asked about was more context. It's not far above my head for me to believe Cali police aren't predatory/discriminatory, but I also didn't expect a shoddy writing job by Variety either.

What I didn't like was the Requests for ID being compared to Nazi Germany.

Yes, I know. I meant to say that you're not gloating and actually worked all the thread to keep things at bay.

 

[Beerman462]

It is upsetting that some posters are so happy not that this was revealed not to be more police-served racism, but that they were right about not believing her. Like positively cooing with delight that they were right and others were wrong. Score one for devil's advocacy then

People don't like being manipulated. Police in general have gotten a lot deservedly bad press for being shit heels. So it was all to easy to paint this situation with the same brush. Without this audio it who knows how it would have gone for these cops. At the same time it will cast doubt no matter how small over future stories. So it's reasonable that people will resent Miss Watts for that as well.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

And I must be projecting, because all off the discussions on Gaf involving race and police just need more facts

Let's all be quiet until we have all the facts

Yeah, the Ferguson story has like 10 witnesses who all have the same consistent story while no one's story backs up the cop, and there are a dozen related horrible racial incidents coming out of Ferguson's history, but people still don't believe. I'm not really excited to see where this big story with Watts lying takes us.

 

[ahoyhoy]

I would describe it as 'restrained jubilation'.

 

[stufte]

I read more of your earlier posts and I made a mistake, you were balanced. I apologize to you.

And I must be projecting, because all off the discussions on Gaf involving race and police just need more facts

Let's all be quiet until we have all the facts

More facts to work from is always good in any discussion.

but you're trying to be snarky here, so I guess I'll just leave you to it.

 

[Nvzman]

Let's all be quiet

Quiet is NeoGAF.

 

[spirity]

I would describe it as 'restrained jubilation'.

I saw some 'obscured grinning' too.

 

[_Ryo_]

Well, it seems what was reported was incorrect. I apologize for being upset but still have same opinion if it were as it was originally reported.

I guess I'll have to wait until more information next time.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

I read more of your earlier posts and I made a mistake, you were balanced. I apologize to you.

And I must be projecting, because all off the discussions on Gaf involving race and police just need more facts

Let's all be quiet until we have all the facts

I know how shitty things are for black people when confronted by police officers. I empathize. In fact, I don't doubt that Daniele Watts probably felt singled out when those officers confronted her and it made her angry, and it made her assume it was a racial thing, because, let's be honest...that happens a lot in this country. Institutionalized racism is a real, disgusting problem in the USA.

But what she's done is harm the cause. Because now whenever there's a situation where there's police abuse against African Americans, you know that trolls will pop out of the woodwork and mention Daniele Watts. Just like whenever there's sexual abuse allegations in college sports, trolls bring up the Duke lacrosse case.

And that fucking sucks.

 

[.GqueB.]

No, she didn't say 'hero', that was me interpreting her words, I apologize to not make that clear. I will write her exact words out so there will less further misinformation.

Timestamp: 9:30

CNN: "You gave your ID to Brian [her husband], he gave it to the police. You see if you had done that earlier... it, it might not have escalated this far?"

Mrs. Watts: "I certainly understand that, but I do again feel part of my role as a public figure is to raise awareness and be strong enough to say and do the things that people who don't have the advantages of that I have, aren't strong enough or don't have the know-how, don't have the awareness to do. So because I'm aware of the history of our country, I, I've went to college. I've studied the law. I've studied ... you know, err, ... this sort of situations. For me standing up for this constitutional right was a gift in and a blessing that I got the opportunity to do that. Because now there is now some kid that goes through the same thing that doesn't have the same opportunity to talk to the news the way I do. And that kid can watch this and go: 'you know what, I don't have to be afraid of police officers anymore, because I live in a country that says that we're free.'"

Ah I see.

Was she exercising a right in this case? I'm going to be honest, I'm not really up on the law in this instance and whether or not she would actually have to give her ID but the cop's reasoning seemed legit. If I were in that situation I'd just give it up so I can move along (personally). So was she even right in the first place?

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

OK, link me to those posts, then. I haven't seen any I'd describe as 'restrained jubilation' either.

Really though, all I needed was King Cobra's post. That would have fulfilled your "single one" criteria.

I'm glad I waited For the context for this story to make more sense.

She sounds like a complete snob the way she talked to those cops.

Does anyone else think those "cops are all racist assholes" posters are going to come back and read the TMZ report or just assume that Cops are going to always going to be racist assholes in every single story that gets posted in OT?

No, most of them will do what the majority of the posters who judge situations before all of the details are out do, constantly talk about how they were right when the facts line up with how they feel about the situation and go totally MIA as soon as something that proves that they were wrong so they don't have to eat crow.

You won't hear from them until another story comes out for them to get angry about.

So much of this in a lot of threads. Disagree with the popular opinion on this forum and you're a POS, likely get banned too.

It's very sad..it really is hindering the discussion.. I thought this was a discussion board

That's how click bait threads tend to play out. It's always about race first, facts second.

I'd say these are tantamount to restrained jubilation or at least "I thought this was America!" sort of speak. The martyrs of discussion parading that one time where Neogaf was wrong. Shame on everyone.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

"I thought this was a discussion board" feels like a new GAF meme.

 

[Calamari41]

Ah I see.

Was she exercising a right in this case? I'm going to be honest, I'm not really up on the law in this instance and whether or not she would actually have to give her ID but the cop's reasoning seemed legit. If I were in that situation I'd just give it up so I can move along (personally). So was she even right in the first place?

It appears that in California, if it is a case like this where the cops are essentially called on you specifically, then what she did is indeed illegal and she was not exercising a right. Now, if the cops had stopped and detained her randomly because they wanted to check her for warrants or something, she would indeed have been exercising her rights. It's the whole "am being detained? Am I free to go?" thing. Yes she was being detained, and no she was not free to go.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I know how shitty things are for black people when confronted by police officers. I empathize. In fact, I don't doubt that Daniele Watts probably felt singled out when those officers confronted her and it made her angry, and it made her assume it was a racial thing, because, let's be honest...that happens a lot in this country. Institutionalized racism is a real, disgusting problem in the USA.

But what she's done is harm the cause. Because now whenever there's a situation where there's police abuse against African Americans, you know that trolls will pop out of the woodwork and mention Daniele Watts. Just like whenever there's sexual abuse allegations in college sports, trolls bring up the Duke lacrosse case.

And that fucking sucks.

The thing with the cause is that it's constantly under fire and cast in doubt, no matter what's happening. So yes, there are people who will trot this out and say "see? They're lying again" whenever ANYTHING happens regarding black people and police misconduct-but that was already happening. People on this board in various other threads have done, are doing, and will continue to do so.

It really does suck, but it's almost irrelevant in the larger scheme, because every incidence is already treated like crying wolf even without actual lies.

She's risked her own livelihood by doing this, but that's about the extent of any real consequences.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

"I thought this was a discussion board" feels like a new GAF meme.

lol. It is now.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Really though, all I needed was King Cobra's post. That would have fulfilled your "single one" criteria.

I'd say these are tantamount to restrained jubilation or at least "I thought this was America!" sort of speak. The martyrs of discussion parading that one time where Neogaf was wrong. Shame on everyone.

The very first posts were one liners about cops being racist assholes. This story had more holes than Swiss cheese.

King Cobra drive by posted and he's gone.

I said what I said because a discussion board should facilitate discussion and not have members who only talk about race and law enforcement on their terms.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

The very first posts were one liners about cops being racist assholes.

Tons of cops are racist assholes, though. I don't blame the posters for the knee-jerk reactions, because it's the same reaction I had when I read the initial story.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Are you suddenly unable to see your own posts?

Zen Arcade has some fun ones too

Yeah, fuck me for not jumping to conclusions. I'm a real asshole.

 

[Flying Toaster]

The very first posts were one liners about cops being racist assholes. This story had more holes than Swiss cheese.

King Cobra drive by posted and he's gone.

Woah, lets not be hasty I personally am a huge fan of Swiss cheese and I don't think it should be used as an analogy to such a cluster.

This entire situation is depressing and as stated countless times before and will continue to be stated but I will state it again because it can not be stated enough... Cops need recording devices as mandatory to their gear/uniforms. It will stop a lot of bullshit from happening.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Yeah, fuck me for not jumping to conclusions. I'm a real asshole.

You jumped to a conclusion, for sure.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

What a complete fucking moron.
Say goodbye to your acting career.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

You jumped to a conclusion, for sure.

And you're basing this on?

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

The very first posts were one liners about cops being racist assholes. This story had more holes than Swiss cheese.

King Cobra drive by posted and he's gone.

ctrl+F "racist"

No results.

ctrl+F "racism"

No results.

And that's the first two pages. I could look for more but I think 100 posts is sufficient to debunk "the first few posts"

The first few posts were calling the cops idiots. These cops in particular. Not the entire police force in America. That's why the last sentence of your post didn't sit with me. You were calling out a strawman. Doing a shallow search no one ever said "all cops are racist A-holes" in the first two pages.

Tons of cops are racist assholes, though. I don't blame the posters for the knee-jerk reactions, because it's the same reaction I had when I read the initial story.

agreed and see above

 

[.GqueB.]

It appears that in California, if it is a case like this where the cops are essentially called on you specifically, then what she did is indeed illegal and she was not exercising a right. Now, if the cops had stopped and detained her randomly because they wanted to check her for warrants or something, she would indeed have been exercising her rights. It's the whole "am being detained? Am I free to go?" thing. Yes she was being detained, and no she was not free to go.

Makes her statement even more ridiculous then. She's really coming off bad in this one. I just hate that it was a PR stunt because she was butt-hurt over the whole situation. That's so unfair to me.

 

[pants]

You jumped to a conclusion, for sure.

Stop shitposting brah

What a complete fucking moron.
Say goodbye to your acting career.

Wont this in fact boost her career? She didnt really do anything that's going to grab widespread ire like Mel Gibson, Kevin Sorbo etc and she gets a little more exposure this way. I don't think many people knew her before, but lots more do today. Surely her agent can parlay that into work.

EDIT: I mean, some agent is keeping that fuckbeard ZIMMERMAN in the media, what she's done here is not even remotely as vile.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Wow this thing really turned around. She doesn't seem to have reacted very well in the circumstances then

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Wont this in fact boost her career? She didnt really do anything that's going to grab widespread ire like Mel Gibson, Kevin Sorbo etc and she gets a little more exposure this way. I don't think many people knew her before, but lots more do today. Surely her agent can parlay that into work.

You're joking, right

"Black actress refuses to cooperate, lies about police misconduct" isn't exactly a battering ram into casting offices

And Zimmerman's a hero

to a deranged but large portion of America

 

[Chariot]

ctrl+F "racist"

No results.

ctrl+F "racism"

No results.

And that's the first two pages. I could look for more but I think 100 posts is sufficient to debunk "the first few posts"

The first few posts were calling the cops idiots. These cops in particular. Not the entire police force in America. That's why the last sentence of your post didn't sit with me. You were calling out a strawman. Doing a shallow search no one ever said these cops were racist A-holes in the first two pages.

Try 'hitler', 'nazi' and "white police".

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129920486&postcount=80

Makes her statement even more ridiculous then. She's really coming off bad in this one. I just hate that it was a PR stunt because she was butt-hurt over the whole situation. That's so unfair to me.

She really did screw up badly.

EDIT: I mean, some agent is keeping that fuckbeard ZIMMERMAN in the media, what she's done here is not even remotely as vile.

Isn't Zimmerman in high debt now, with not even his former allies want to touch him anymore?

 

[Son of Cervantes]

ctrl+F "racist"

No results.

ctrl+F "racism"

No results.

And that's the first two pages. I could look for more but I think 100 posts is sufficient to debunk "the first few posts"

You don't have to actually say someone's racist or bigoted to clearly imply it.

Well at least they didn't shoot her and roll an army into town. I guess that's an improvement. Baby steps people.

Clearly referencing Ferguson.

Why bend to the will of the white police?

I would guess that she was insulted that she was being treated like a prostitute since she was black? I don't think black people should have to show IDs to prove they are not prostitutes.

Because she doesn't have to.

Adding this to the list of things I cannot do while black. #82354 kissing or receiving a kiss from someone while black.

Because the only reason she is being stopped is because she being black means she's a whore to the officer?

All of those are from the first page, all of those are obviously implying racism on the part of the police.

 

[pants]

You're joking, right

"Black actress refuses to cooperate, lies about police misconduct" isn't exactly a battering ram into casting offices

OJ Simpson and Zimmerman murdered some people, I'm sure an agent can work with this.

And Zimmerman's a hero

to a deranged but large portion of America

That's pretty sad.

 

[Volimar]

ctrl+F "racist"

No results.

ctrl+F "racism"

No results.

And that's the first two pages. I could look for more but I think 100 posts is sufficient to debunk "the first few posts"

The first few posts were calling the cops idiots. These cops in particular. Not the entire police force in America. That's why the last sentence of your post didn't sit with me. You were calling out a strawman. Doing a shallow search no one ever said these cops were racist A-holes in the first two pages.




see above

Nope no systematic problems here sirree

Spoiler

Just wow

Well at least they didn't shoot her and roll an army into town. I guess that's an improvement. Baby steps people.

I would guess that she was insulted that she was being treated like a prostitute since she was black? I don't think black people should have to show IDs to prove they are not prostitutes.

Because she doesn't have to.

Adding this to the list of things I cannot do while black. #82354 kissing or receiving a kiss from someone while black.

Because the only reason she is being stopped is because she being black means she's a whore to the officer?

Just the really obvious ones from the first page. Come on. I don't even want in on this argument, but that was just silly to post.

 

[Dark Ninja]

Haha goddamn she went crazy. Reminds me of that other actress that went nuts on the cops saying they didn't know who she was and who they were messing with forgot her name

 

[HerbertFish]

You're joking, right

"Black actress refuses to cooperate, lies about police misconduct" isn't exactly a battering ram into casting offices

I don't know, this is far and away the most notable thing she's ever done. I could see it both ways, helping or hurting. At worst she should parlay it into a reality show (only half joking there).

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Yeah, fuck me for not jumping to conclusions. I'm a real asshole.

god you really want to be a martyr don't you.