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[CellarDoor81]

Sustained bullying might have that effect on a young boy? Some of the episode three stuff I thought was just bad acting as it didn't fit with his behaviour swings. Along with the bad acting of the psychologist.

"Bad acting of the psychologist"?!?! While the episode was still running I googled who she is because I thought that actress has to win every TV show award that exists for this particular episode! Unbelievably human and believable performance! I had my mouth open in awe the whole episode. The German voiceover was magnificent too!

 

[Tams]

Eh, I don't care about the promotion, I'm only giving my reaction to the show.

But that's driving where the discourse is going.

You've said that it raises some good points for discussion, so you do care. You can't ignore the discourse though, unless you just want tonl talk to a wall.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

But that's driving where the discourse is going.

You've said that it raises some good points for discussion, so you do care. You can't ignore the discourse though, unless you just want tonl talk to a wall.

Ok, what position do you want me to take?

 

[MilkyJoe]

I find it laughable that the uk government are trying to white wash youth knife crime as an "incel" problem instead of the reality that it's a cultural problem with a certain imported demographic!. I mean how many 13 year olds are incels??? All of them!!! Anyone that cannot see this was created as a piece of propaganda must be a weapons grade fuckwit.

 

[MMaRsu]

I find it laughable that the uk government are trying to white wash youth knife crime as an "incel" problem instead of the reality that it's a cultural problem with a certain imported demographic!. I mean how many 13 year olds are incels??? All of them!!! Anyone that cannot see this was created as a piece of propaganda must be a weapons grade fuckwit.

Yeah white kids never stab anyone

Maybe think about the entire show and not instantly focus on skin color.

Fucking pathetic lot you all out here.

OH ITS A WHITE KID SO THE SHOW IS WHITEWASHED

Lmao get fucking real man. Surely you're not a racist.

It's a fictional story, not even based on specific real events.

And even so, not sure what's so priceworthy about being an incel that you're willing to defend it so much or seem to be bent out of shape about it.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Yeah white kids never stab anyone

Maybe think about the entire show and not instantly focus on skin color.

Fucking pathetic lot you all out here.

OH ITS A WHITE KID SO THE SHOW IS WHITEWASHED

Lmao get fucking real man. Surely you're not a racist.

It's a fictional story, not even based on specific real events.

And even so, not sure what's so priceworthy about being an incel that you're willing to defend it so much or seem to be bent out of shape about it.

You need to open your eyes and have a look what is happening out there., a tv show shoehorned into the national curriculum by a government to highlight involuntary celibate culture and knife crime in 13 year old boys ??? Do me a favour!! Sure white kids have stabbed people, but unlike others it's not their national past time. The woke culture in the UK is like a fucking ostrich farm, and the longer it fails to address the culture, along with these communities, the more kids are going to be killed. But you go ahead and scream racism, that'll bring them back.

p.s. Your last sentence, fuck me how old are you??

 

[MMaRsu]

You need to open your eyes and have a look what is happening out there., a tv show shoehorned into the national curriculum by a government to highlight involuntary celibate culture and knife crime in 13 year old boys ??? Do me a favour!! Sure white kids have stabbed people, but unlike others it's not their national past time. The woke culture in the UK is like a fucking ostrich farm, and the longer it fails to address the culture, along with these communities, the more kids are going to be killed. But you go ahead and scream racism, that'll bring them back.

p.s. Your last sentence, fuck me how old are you??

Its a fictional fucking tv show man.

Im 38.

Why would you want to defend incels or be happy about incels? It's a pathetic thing

Not every FUCKING thing is related to the government or left vs right or white vs black.

Jesus christ.

Im asking are you a racist because YOU seem to be super into the white vs black thing. The whole skin color didnt matter to the story at hand.
But according to you that's all the show is about huh

Also the show barely focusses on the incel thing or goes into detail about it. It's funny you're so mad about it.

Did you even bother watching the fucking show at all m8?

 

[MilkyJoe]

there is no incel culture, you fucking spastic, let alone incel knife crime culture!!! and if you're too fucking stupid to see that black on black knife crime has fuck all to do with racism, then you're the problem!! M8!

 

[MarV0]

Its a fictional fucking tv show man.

Im 38.

Why would you want to defend incels or be happy about incels? It's a pathetic thing

Not every FUCKING thing is related to the government or left vs right or white vs black.

Jesus christ.

Im asking are you a racist because YOU seem to be super into the white vs black thing. The whole skin color didnt matter to the story at hand.
But according to you that's all the show is about huh

Also the show barely focusses on the incel thing or goes into detail about it. It's funny you're so mad about it.

Did you even bother watching the fucking show at all m8?

What's important is not what the show portrays, it's a dumb fictional tv show like you say and I agree with you.

The narrative that is coming out as a result of the TV show from the government and media is 100% real though.

 

[MMaRsu]

What's important is not what the show portrays, it's a dumb fictional tv show like you say and I agree with you.

The narrative that is coming out as a result of the TV show from the government and media is 100% real though.

Well thats on them and if you just watch the show and not read any of the dumb media articles its just a good show

 

[Punished Miku]

I thought the show was extremely good. The acting was next level for sure, and the amount of planning and skill in execution to do some of those insanely long 1 shot takes is a thing of beauty. In particular the school scenes with a hundred people going inside, then outside, then inside, then they leave the school and it actually floats up in the air like a helicopter cam then floats back down to the parking lot. Would love to see making of documentary on how they pulled some of that off. There's even a short chase scene where the camera floats out the window seamlessly.

What I think the show captures perfectly is that sense of risk inherent in adolescence. It's that strange gap in a person's life where you really just have to roll the dice and your life is often shaped in large part by luck. Doesn't always matter how you were raised. Do you fall in with the wrong crowd? Do you make 1 horrific mistake that follows you or gets you a criminal record? Do you start drugs? Do you fail to establish any friendships or socialize normally? If you make it through that time period from 13 - 18, you're usually going to be fine after that, but I remember people in school that didn't.

As for the incel shit, I thought they actually portrayed it with a ton of nuance and care. The psychologist scenes really capture that odd balance of a person that is attracted to women, but also hates them, and heavily resents them. It focuses on the boy's problems, and not really the girl, getting more in depth in how he felt about himself and the kinds of pressures and influences he's exposed to. And of course the parent episode was one of the better depictions I've ever seen of the kind of simultaneous love and disgust a family in that position must feel. Great show, and it didn't overstay its welcome. 4 episodes was just right.

 

[Tams]

Its a fictional fucking tv show man.

Im 38.

Why would you want to defend incels or be happy about incels? It's a pathetic thing

Not every FUCKING thing is related to the government or left vs right or white vs black.

Jesus christ.

Im asking are you a racist because YOU seem to be super into the white vs black thing. The whole skin color didnt matter to the story at hand.
But according to you that's all the show is about huh

Also the show barely focusses on the incel thing or goes into detail about it. It's funny you're so mad about it.

Did you even bother watching the fucking show at all m8?

Your comments read like a 13-year-old's.

Pretty pathetic for a 38-year-old.

How you can't see that this show casting a white kid as the protagonist is problematic in the current climate, is almost unbelievable.

• Proportionally, few white kids commit knife crimes.
• One of the tragedies that inspired the show had a black kid as the perpetrator.
• Knife crime is not a problem in most of the country.
• The discourse around the show almost completely ignores the real problem it highlights: bullying and resilience.
• Andrew Tate's main audience is not young white boys.
• Incel means 'involuntarily celibate'. Almost all 13-year-olds are.
• 'Incel culture' and the 'manosphere' barely exist.

 

[MMaRsu]

Your comments read like a 13-year-old's.

Pretty pathetic for a 38-year-old.

How you can't see that this show casting a white kid as the protagonist is problematic in the current climate, is almost unbelievable.

• Proportionally, few white kids commit knife crimes.
• One of the tragedies that inspired the show had a black kid as the perpetrator.
• Knife crime is not a problem in most of the country.
• The discourse around the show almost completely ignores the real problem it highlights: bullying and resilience.
• Andrew Tate's main audience is not young white boys.
• Incel means 'involuntarily celibate'. Almost all 13-year-olds are.
• 'Incel culture' and the 'manosphere' barely exist.

You seem to think the discourse = the show

Forget it

 

[Lunarorbit]

I'm not gonna watch this cause it doesn't seem my cup of tea but the production team for this is working on a Threads series.

I only watched it a few years ago but great movie. I'm sure there's a million millennial and gen xer brits that still have nightmares from that movie

 

[Wastelander92]

I'm not gonna watch this cause it doesn't seem my cup of tea but the production team for this is working on a Threads series.

I only watched it a few years ago but great movie. I'm sure there's a million millennial and gen xer brits that still have nightmares from that movie

They'll probably make the US be the ones to launch the nukes.

 

[YCoCg]

Knife crime is not a problem in most of the country

I wish I could nod along to this but for the past few days I've been dealing with the fall out of a friend being stabbed. It wasn't even a mugging attempt, the guy was just off his head on some sort of drugs, ran at her whilst she was walking home at night and just stabbed her then ran off.

Thankfully it wasn't fatal and her boyfriend got there asap (since it happened not even far from their apartment) and he got her to hospital right away. She's been shook up since and can't work for a bit. So yeah, reading posts like this after it happened to a friend is something.

 

[Tams]

I wish I could nod along to this but for the past few days I've been dealing with the fall out of a friend being stabbed. It wasn't even a mugging attempt, the guy was just off his head on some sort of drugs, ran at her whilst she was walking home at night and just stabbed her then ran off.

Thankfully it wasn't fatal and her boyfriend got there asap (since it happened not even far from their apartment) and he got her to hospital right away. She's been shook up since and can't work for a bit. So yeah, reading posts like this after it happened to a friend is something.

It's very much an urban issue, and even then, only some of them. The issue is, in some of those areas it is bordering on prevalent.

Thankfully, for now, I live in a high trust rural area. A missing cat is news. We pretty much don't have any police anymore though (they occasionally drive through).

I've spoken to young people around here about knife crime. They aren't stupid and know to be careful when going into large urban areas, but for them here it simply is not an issue for them, and therefore talking about it bores them.

 

[bitbydeath]

I feel like I watched a different show to you lot.

1. It's not about incels, the kid got bullied, him being called an incel is part of what made him snap, he isn't one.

2. It's not about bad white kid, it's actually about bad parenting if you pay closer attention.

Episode One - Two thirteen year olds are out past 9pm on a school night, parents would need to be braindead or alcoholics to not realise their children weren't home.

Episode Two - Policeman has 0 connection with his son and doesn't pay attention to him. Son literally tells him the motive and soon after he complains to the police woman that he still doesn't understand why the kid did it.

Episode Three - The kid talks about his Dad being ashamed of him when he played sports.

I haven't watched episode four yet but there is a clear theme and it has nothing to do with bad white kid.

 

[Tams]

I feel like I watched a different show to you lot.

1. It's not about incels, the kid got bullied, him being called an incel is part of what made him snap, he isn't one.

2. It's not about bad white kid, it's actually about bad parenting if you pay closer attention.

Episode One - Two thirteen year olds are out past 9pm on a school night, parents would need to be braindead or alcoholics to not realise their children weren't home.

Episode Two - Policeman has 0 connection with his son and doesn't pay attention to him. Son literally tells him the motive and soon after he complains to the police woman that he still doesn't understand why the kid did it.

Episode Three - The kid talks about his Dad being ashamed of him when he played sports.

I haven't watched episode four yet but there is a clear theme and it has nothing to do with bad white kid.

The show in and of itself isn't bad, it's great in parts even.

The issue is the narrative around it being pushed by authorities, but also the creators of it. They all took away from it all the things you are complaining it isn't focussed on.

Hell, just last week a BBC News presenter repeatedly called it a documentary yet again and berated the guest for not having watched it.

Media and authorities are bludgeoning us on the head here to watch it and interpret the way they want us to. This has, unsurprisingly, caused a backlash online.

Oh, and I had the opportunity to ask some teenagers if they had watched it or wanted to. Very few had and not many even wanted to.

 

[MMaRsu]

The show in and of itself isn't bad, it's gdeat in parts even.

The issue is the narrative around it being pushed by authorities, but also the creators of it. They all took away from it all the things you are complaining it isn't focussed on.

Hell, just last week a BBC News presenter repeatedly called it a documentary yet again and berated the guest for not having watched it.

Media and authorities are bludgeoning us on the head here to watch it and interpret the way they want us to. This has, unsurprisingly, caused a backlash online.

Oh, and I had the opportunity to ask some teenagers if they had watched it or wanted to. Very few had and not many even wanted to.

The media response = the show got it

 

[TGO]

No, mate. This show was written and in production when that tragic event happened.

They were not inspired by this event.

The event you're referring to was a twisted fuck killing young girls at a Taylor Swift dance event. The story in this show is totally different.

I don't think anyone has mistakenly thought it was based on that.
The girl that was killed in Croydon though is definitely a source of inspiration.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

You seem to think the discourse = the show

Forget it

I don't know what happened but for the past few months you've become one of the most insufferable "warriors" on NeoGAF throwing accusations all day long at other members like it's nothing, it's always racism this, racism that with you, you've been doing it a lot in that dumpster fire of the AC shadows thread and you're doing it now.
Jesus Christ at asking another member with straight face "are you racist?", you can't make shit up, yet another internet/armchair activist that always tries to cry wolf.

Try to take a chill pill man 'cause all this "excitement" isn't good for you nor the rest of us that keep reading the same drivel, you and a couple of others in here should stop trying to find Boogeymen at every corner from your high horse, shit's become insufferable, if you think that the majority of users in here are "racists", well, the door is over there.

 

[MMaRsu]

I don't know what happened but for the past few months you've become one of the most insufferable "warriors" on NeoGAF throwing accusations all day long at other members like it's nothing, it's always racism this, racism that with you, you've been doing it a lot in that dumpster fire of the AC shadows thread and you're doing it now.
Jesus Christ at asking another member with straight face "are you racist?", you can't make shit up, yet another internet/armchair activist that always tries to cry wolf.

Try to take a chill pill man 'cause all this "excitement" isn't good for you nor the rest of us that keep reading the same drivel, you and a couple of others in here should stop trying to find Boogeymen at every corner from your high horse, shit's become insufferable, if you think that the majority of users in here are "racists", well, the door is over there.

Get outta here man.

I have no interest in discussing the topic who seems to think that because the media has hijacked this show and is using it for its own agenda, the narrative has nothing to do with the actual show.

And yes people focusing on skin color not only in this tv show, but also in Assassins Creed makes me question if some people are racists. What's wrong with that conclusion?

I am asking it straight up, I am not accusing anyone of anything.

You don't know me or know anything about me so to call me an armchair activist is hilarious. That must be why they banned me from Reee . Actually I got permed there for saying afghani refugee who got deported from Sweden or some shit deserved it, because he did a heinous crime.

I guess Im an armchair activist for both sides?

Get outta here bro

You talk about a High Horse but you seem to be the one sitting on it.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Get outta here man.

I have no interest in discussing the topic who seems to think that because the media has hijacked this show and is using it for its own agenda, the narrative has nothing to do with the actual show.

And yes people focusing on skin color not only in this tv show, but also in Assassins Creed makes me question if some people are racists. What's wrong with that conclusion?

I am asking it straight up, I am not accusing anyone of anything.

You don't know me or know anything about me so to call me an armchair activist is hilarious. That must be why they banned me from Reee . Actually I got permed there for saying afghani refugee who got deported from Sweden or some shit deserved it, because he did a heinous crime.

I guess Im an armchair activist for both sides?

Get outta here bro

You talk about a High Horse but you seem to be the one sitting on it.

OK, stop asking stupid questions then.

There's definitely a repeated history of a very specific behavior on your part, hence my post.
The fact that you got banned from Era or whatever neither justifies anything nor does it give you a free card at calling other "racists" ermm..."straight up asking them" if they are.

PS: I suppose the dog piling you and 2-3 other members kept doing to other users on the AC shadows thread was also about "straight up asking questions".

 

[MMaRsu]

OK, stop asking stupid questions then.

There's definitely a repeated history of a very specific behavior on your part, hence my post.
The fact that you got banned from Era or whatever neither justifies anything nor does it give you a free card at calling other "racists" ermm..."straight up asking them" if they are.

PS: I suppose the dog piling you and 2-3 other members kept doing to other users on the AC shadows thread was also about "straight up asking questions".

I didnt dogpile anyone you must be thinking of someone else dude. Get real

Report me or get over it, these dumb accusations will not stand.

 

[Ogbert]

There is a profound banality about how we live these days.

We take trivial things like television shows seriously. And serious things like decades long abuse scandals trivially.

Politicians like TV shows like Adolescence because it is easy. They stand up and look earnest and say how much it affected them. It's like wearing a badge.

Achieves nothing but marks you as a 'good' person.

 

[Branded]

People who watch this propagandistic slop without realizing the broader implications are wilfully ignorant.

They're even proposing that this show needs to be mandatory viewing in schools in some countries. Absolutely insane.

 

[Ogbert]

The media response = the show got it

The makers of the show met with the Prime Minister and courted every news outlet in the land. The deputy prime minister was berated by the BBC for not watching it.

The media response has been as curated as the show itself, and it's entirely reasonable to question it in that regard.

 

[MMaRsu]

The makers of the show met with the Prime Minister and courted every news outlet in the land. The deputy prime minister was berated by the BBC for not watching it.

The media response has been as curated as the show itself, and it's entirely reasonable to question it in that regard.

Curated by whom?

None of that shit matters to the quality of the goddamn show.

What a bunch of horsecock.

Like I said, just because some parties are using this to drive home their agenda, has zero bearing on the quality of the show.

 

[MMaRsu]

People who watch this propagandistic slop without realizing the broader implications are wilfully ignorant.

They're even proposing that this show needs to be mandatory viewing in schools in some countries. Absolutely insane.

Why is it insane? There are a lot of subjects in the show that could be talked about in school, preferably at home with parents and not at school, but bullying, not being able to fuck at 13 being super normal etc cannot be discussed in school according to you?

If you want to let all these issues fester until people snap (and that happens a lot) then thats what you get. Useless deaths and kids in jail because they got fucked up from believing something (wether its that they are ugly, or an incel for instance).

I doubt you even watched the damn show.

And what are the 'broader implications' according to you?

In my views the broader implication is just keep an eye on your kids, talk to them about whats going on in their life. Look for signs that they are being bullied if you suspect it.

Not sure whats wrong with any of that.

I really hate that parties on both side of the retard fence have coopted this show for their own retarded agenda.

 

[Branded]

Why is it insane? There are a lot of subjects in the show that could be talked about in school, preferably at home with parents and not at school, but bullying, not being able to fuck at 13 being super normal etc cannot be discussed in school according to you?

If you want to let all these issues fester until people snap (and that happens a lot) then thats what you get. Useless deaths and kids in jail because they got fucked up from believing something (wether its that they are ugly, or an incel for instance).

I doubt you even watched the damn show.

And what are the 'broader implications' according to you?

In my views the broader implication is just keep an eye on your kids, talk to them about whats going on in their life. Look for signs that they are being bullied if you suspect it.

Not sure whats wrong with any of that.

It's more "whitey bad" nonsense. If anything it will only guilt trip Zoomers/gen Alpha more than they already are. It's no wonder that generation is becoming more and more (extreme) right wing.

 

[Hugare]

I feel like I watched a different show to you lot.

1. It's not about incels, the kid got bullied, him being called an incel is part of what made him snap, he isn't one.

2. It's not about bad white kid, it's actually about bad parenting if you pay closer attention.

Episode One - Two thirteen year olds are out past 9pm on a school night, parents would need to be braindead or alcoholics to not realise their children weren't home.

Episode Two - Policeman has 0 connection with his son and doesn't pay attention to him. Son literally tells him the motive and soon after he complains to the police woman that he still doesn't understand why the kid did it.

Episode Three - The kid talks about his Dad being ashamed of him when he played sports.

I haven't watched episode four yet but there is a clear theme and it has nothing to do with bad white kid.

You hit the nail on the head

To me the show's message was "pay attention to your kid". Simple. But seems like everyone today pick and chooses only what is relevant to their agenda.

So I'm blaming both sides. No, its not only about incel culture. It's there to show the dangers of leaving your young kid alone on the internet. They've even shown that the girl was not a saint by bullying him, ffs.

I also blame the government wanting to show it at schools. Idiots. QpqNah man, the parents have to watch it, not their children.

I've complained about how TLOU Season 2 was treating the viewers like idiots, but yeah, I get it.

 

[Ogbert]

Curated by whom?

None of that shit matters to the quality of the goddamn show.

What a bunch of horsecock.

Like I said, just because some parties are using this to drive home their agenda, has zero bearing on the quality of the show.

Sure, ok. From a technical standpoint and in terms of acting.

But rather odd to take a show that champions the pervasive influence of media and then divorce that show from its own media impression. If we can do that for Adolescence, then presumably we can do it for all the media the show criticises?

The makers very clearly targeted political shows like Newsnight to present their work. They are very comfortable speaking with the Prime Minister and having the show used as an educational tool rather than a dramatic one.

As such, 'that shit' very much matters.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

Outstanding performances, one shot stuff was amazing. Episode 3 was "chef's kiss"

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Just watched this, I thought it was fantastic.

My two takeaways:

- The fathers anger issues rubbed off on the kid, and he worked all day instead of playing with the kid and being a rolemodel.

- Social media pressure among youth.

Regarding the 'incel issue', I didn't care about it in the show, but the only time I see people use this word is either girls trying to insult guys, or leftist people going after right people. They shouldn't have used it in the show, it's more a thing people use to demean people rather than a 'online manosphere'.

 

[bitbydeath]

Episode 4 was pretty rubbish.
Clearly my expectations were too high as I thought we would have gotten to the court case.

 

[HRK69]

Just finished this

Loved it. I think the one shot stuff really elevated the series

I really liked the 4 episode format too

 

[Forsete]

The last episode hit me right in the feels.. fantastic acting by Stephen Graham.

 

[tamago84]

Guess I'll give it a shot my brother didn't like it much

 

[DragoonKain]

Just watched this, I thought it was fantastic.

My two takeaways:

- The fathers anger issues rubbed off on the kid, and he worked all day instead of playing with the kid and being a rolemodel.

- Social media pressure among youth.

Regarding the 'incel issue', I didn't care about it in the show, but the only time I see people use this word is either girls trying to insult guys, or leftist people going after right people. They shouldn't have used it in the show, it's more a thing people use to demean people rather than a 'online manosphere'.

I agree with the anger issues. I also believe the kid may have just been a sociopath. Lots of indicators I won't go into detail again, but pointed out throughout the thread.

Glad many people are enjoying it.

 

[DrFigs]

Is that it? Episode 4 was pretty bad imo. Just extremely unenjoyable.

 

[Sonik]

"Bad acting of the psychologist"?!?! While the episode was still running I googled who she is because I thought that actress has to win every TV show award that exists for this particular episode! Unbelievably human and believable performance! I had my mouth open in awe the whole episode. The German voiceover was magnificent too!

First of all awards mean nothing and especially nowadays that pretentious theater kids are only using them to smell their own farts and show how virtuous they are. Second, the actress was good, the problem is that the character was terribly directed. It felt like overacting, she was freaking out all the time and acting like she was trying to hide her absolute disgust, badly I might say, even for relatively tame stuff like the fact that the kid watched the video or that he was hitting on her because he thought they were both rejects now. If she was freaking out because a 13 year old was screaming at her that's pathetic and unprofessional, if she actually felt threatened from a skinny 13 year old and she also refused to call the guard that's dumb and unprofessional. The episode is treating her at first like she was the smart psychologist that's different and a serious professional unlike the others and then turns her into a hysterical idiot

The show's whole point was it that it was supposed to feel realistic, the direction of her character felt like those dumb 90s Hollywood crime shows