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After Charlottesville, the American Far Right is tearing itself apart

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/21...t-proud-boys-richard-spencer-charlottesville/

Looks like racists now can't decide how racist they are. After Charlottesville they're like cockroaches, shine a light on them and they scatter.

WHEN WHITE NATIONALIST Richard Spencer coined the term “alt-right” nearly a decade ago, his movement was marginal, impotent, and striving for respectability. The phrase was a useful euphemism for his genocidal ideology, a palatable alternative to “the Ku Klux Klan” or “the American Nazi Party” to go with his suit, tie, and military undercut.

In the years to follow, as trolling culture grew online and began to adopt the symbols and lexicon of white supremacy — first ironically, then less so — “alt-right” proved a conveniently ambiguous label for the sanitized neo-Nazi movement’s new prankster fellow travelers. The online trolls who flocked to the “alt-right” liked to play footsie with racist extremism, then laugh at anyone who took it seriously. Like their cryptic “Kek” flags and Pepe the Frog memes, the “alt-right” label signaled an allegiance to white nationalism without fully committing to it. It was so malleable, in fact, that during the 2016 election, it expanded to include just about anyone on the right who considered themselves “anti-establishment,” including many of Donald Trump’s rank-and-file supporters.

Now, however, the term has become a liability. Its erosion began as far back as November 2016, when Spencer paid homage to the soon-to-be president with a cry of “Hail, Trump!” Then, in August, the “alt-right” brand cratered. During a far-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, meant to bring together a coalition that still regarded itself as the so-called alt-right, crowds of white men were captured on camera giving the Roman — or Nazi — salute. Swastikas abounded. Street fights broke out, and the violence turned deadly: A left-wing counterprotester named Heather Heyer was murdered by a white supremacist.

Just a few days after Klansmen and other extreme right-wing activists marched openly on the Charlottesville streets, far-right YouTube star and conspiracy theorist Mike Cernovich disowned the “alt-right,” calling them “Nazi boys.” “That’s all it is now,” he said in a video, “is a purely anti-Semitic movement.” In 2016, the right-wing website Breitbart had embraced both the moniker and the movement of the “alt-right.” Steve Bannon, who returned to Breitbart as executive chair after resigning as Trump’s chief strategist, infamously called Breitbart “the platform for the alt-right,” and Breitbart reporters Allum Bokhari and Milo Yiannopoulos celebrated the arrival of these “young, creative” far-right instigators, in full recognition of the movement’s racial segregationist dimension. But after Charlottesville, Breitbart angrily denounced its critics for ever daring to insinuate that it was part of the “alt-right” movement, calling it a “smear.”

The Proud Boys, a drinking club of male, far-right street brawlers, who purport to defend “Western values,” are routinely associated with the “alt-right.” But the group’s leader, Gavin McInnes, who helped launch Vice Media in 1994 and now runs a right-wing YouTube talk show, has in fact rejected the term for some time, preferring the milder-sounding “alt-light.” McInnes’s insistence that the Proud Boys have nothing to do with the “alt-right” grew even more adamant after the violence in Charlottesville. Last month, in a blog post titled “WE ARE NOT ALT-RIGHT,” he alerted his group that “alt-right” members planned to “infiltrate” Proud Boys meetings and “sabotage” them. Then, McInnes’s attorney threatened to sue The Intercept over a short documentary film I directed, which included about 17 seconds of footage drawn from McInnes’s YouTube shows. His lawyer, Jason Van Dyke, claimed that the film’s “obvious insinuation” is that McInnes is “a white nationalist, a white supremacist, or alt-right,” whereas in reality, McInnes “has no affiliation with the alt-right whatsoever.”

Such is the growing toxicity of the “alt-right” brand post-Charlottesville, and the eagerness of many right-wing groups and leaders to escape its valence. That eagerness, in turn, may suggest that the new far-right movement that coalesced around the Trump campaign last year is splitting into factions, divided over the degree to which they openly embrace an overt white nationalist ideology
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Can't let these assholes rebrand themselves.
 

Belfast

Member
Yep, none of these shitheads have changed their views. They just don’t like what they’re being called because it’s a damaged brand.
 

Jag

Member
His lawyer, Jason Van Dyke, claimed that the film’s “obvious insinuation” is that McInnes is “a white nationalist, a white supremacist, or alt-right,” whereas in reality, McInnes “has no affiliation with the alt-right whatsoever.”

I knew Jason Van Dyke sounded familiar.

Popehat shows how you take someone out:

Texas Attorney Jason L. Van Dyke: Fraudulent Buffoon, Violence-Threatening Online-Tough-Guy, Vexatious Litigant, Proud Bigot, And All Around Human Dumpster Fire
 

RinsFury

Member
Good, let the roaches devour each other. The sooner the right is destroyed as a party the better for all humankind.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
But the group’s leader, Gavin McInnes, who helped launch Vice Media in 1994 and now runs a right-wing YouTube talk show, has in fact rejected the term for some time, preferring the milder-sounding “alt-light.
Hold the fuck up, this guy is the founder of VICE?
 
The more subtle malciousness of these websites and people tend to get undermined by the more vocal shitheads wielding tiki torches.

Which is hilariously human. "We may be malicious, but we don't want to LOOK malicious."
 

Elandyll

Banned
You can't even just describe the alt right by its antisemite elements.
It's an umbrella movement that gathered Nazis, KKK, Gamergaters, etc.

The shortest way to describe it is that it's anti anything that isn't white male christian.

Or "Deplorables". That works too.

And Republicans are still, on many levels, very much in bed with them and their ideas.
 
Hold the fuck up, this guy is the founder of VICE?
Gavin McInnes left VICE a while ago (2008), and he's the one who came up with the Nazi (I'm sorry I should use their coded phrase "western chauvinists") group called Proud Boys.

Most recently, some were tripping themselves over not knowing that Proud Boys ("Western chauvinists", there's that coded language again) in the Texas floods are a Nazi movement founded by Canadian Gavin McInnes (Rebel Media, former Vice co-founder), and they employ the OK symbol.

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People can be fooled into being fearful of antifa, so they suddenly care really deeply about inanimate property and "looters" of supplies, so that fear plays into fascists arming themselves and wanting to stop looting in floods.
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https://twitter.com/afainatl/status/903309366601895936
Proud Boys: "anti looting patrol" and the OK symbol
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The Proud Boys (who also most recently were at an Indigenous protest) wear Fred Perry polo t-shirts, which were then disavowed by the company for the racist connection.
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More dirt on Gavin McInnes:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/alt-right-star-says-israelis-have-whiny-paranoid-fear-of-nazis/
Gavin McInnes on his trip to Israel: "...that assume we’re going to listen to all this shit we get fed. That’s having the reverse effect on me: I’m becoming anti-Semitic...And I felt myself defending the super-far-right Nazis, just because I was sick of so much brainwashing. And I felt like going, ‘Well, they never said it didn’t happen. What they’re saying is that it was much less than six million and that they starved to death and they weren’t gassed.' I’m not saying it wasn’t gassing. Please don’t take that clip out of context, but that’s what the far-right nuts are saying....There’s been a lot of genocides. Mao killed 70 million… Stalin, with the Bolsheviks, killed 30 million. But the Russians don’t talk about that. They don’t even necessarily see it as a horrible thing. I think it was ten million Ukrainians who were killed. That was by Jews. That was by Marxist, Stalinist, left-wing, commie, socialist Jews...Wasn’t the Treaty of Versailles, wasn’t that disproportionately influenced by Jewish intellectuals?...Don't get me wrong, I’m not pro-Holocaust.”

Of course, since Gavin likes to be employed and earn money, he's had to backtrack his statements about defending Nazis among other things.

He hasn't backtracked on his connection with Proud Boys, though. I wonder if there are people here who are fans of Rebel Media/Gavin.
 
Yep, none of these shitheads have changed their views. They just don’t like what they’re being called because it’s a damaged brand.

100% Since the foundation of the KKK, "proper" white supremacists have been desperately searching for new ways to brand themselves so that their genocidal bigoted rhetoric can be accepted without the stigma of being seen as genocidal bigots. "Those white supremacists are barbaric. We however are cultured and proper and God fearing people who just happen to also want to kill, subjugate and destroy non-whites." It's no wonder assemblies of them come with a variety of acronyms and symbols that are rallied behind.
 

BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Oh so a coalition of completely different right-wing interests which ganged up just for political influence broke apart? Surprising.

Not like any of them are good, but the people advocating for full on ethno-states really have very different motivations than people who just want to curb immigration/promote assimilation, etc.
 
They'll continue to look for new code words while pretending to be joking/innocent.

And the sad thing is there'll be a contingent of society that believes them simply because their clean cut white men and don't speak like the yokels in white hoods.
 

Trago

Member
Gavin McInnes left VICE a while ago (2008), and he's the one who came up with the Nazi (I'm sorry I should use their coded phrase "western chauvinists") group called Proud Boys.

Huh, saw this guy on the right wing talk show Louder With Crowder few weeks ago damage controlling and trying his best to disassociate with the term alt-right.

But his group's beliefs are basically in line with the alt-right anyway. I don't know what he thinks he has to lose. I'd bet much of his audience and followers overlap with these alt-right groups.
 

Dynasty

Member
This is what they do, they re-brand, use code words, hide behind humour and being ironic, generally leftist are able to pick it up and realise pretty quickly, whereas less knowledgable and easily influenced people dont pick it up and may even buy into it. Eventually the group gains mainstream attraction and does something horrible, this results in a split some abandon and some stay with the group until they can rebrand themselves again.
 

VariantX

Member
As long as people don't allow themselves to forget, they'll have a impossible time putting on a different hat and starting their shit from scratch. Unfortunately, people don't have that kind of vigilance.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
Let them tear themselves apart. Any right wing assholes only now trying to distance themselves are purely doing so to save their own skin. Let the rats drown with the ship.
 

gaugebozo

Member
It's gotten so bad they've started labeling people on the left, "alt-left" as an attempted smear. It's especially ridiculous because they came up with both names themselves.
 
Whilst it's always a good thing to shine a spotlight on clear ineptitude amongst one of the far right's segregated groups (they can't even work together without finding ways of discriminating against their own it appears), I would always remind anyone that this stain on society preserves itself by, of course, eating away at any of it's own weak links, whilst declaring their hatred for anything and everything said weakest link stood for to begin with.

Then, insidiously appropriate, or re-appropriate another fringe segment of society, adopting various different symbols and coded speech to indoctrinate more fucking idiots willing to explore the depths of their insecurities and hate.
 

bionic77

Member
So basically they are racist but not THAT racist.

If you don't want to be confused with the super racists maybe just stop being shitty racists altogether?
 
It's gotten so bad they've started labeling people on the left, "alt-left" as an attempted smear. It's especially ridiculous because they came up with both names themselves.

No, Alt-Left was a label Clintonites threw onto Bernie Bros and the Right & Moderates just appropriated it to use on all the Left.
 
So basically they are racist but not THAT racist.

If you don't want to be confused with the super racists maybe just stop being shitty racists altogether?

But they are 'THAT' racist. They just don't want a spotlight on the more blatant and mainstream expressions of their racism, and if it means preserving themselves and the ability to rally others to their cause over time, they will denounce - with every sickening self-righteous word, expression and avenue available to them - those they marched with if they are the ones who're under that spotlight of scandal.

The idiom of 'So much for the tolerant left!' annoys me, but I take is as an ironic slant these days, as most on GAF here do. The myth perpetrated against the Left by these people that does get under my skin, is the one where the left is routinely accused of turning on itself over the degrees of equality, self expression, and the blurred line of what is socially acceptable, and what is offensive. Why? Because historically speaking, it is in the very nature of the Right to throw any ally - friend or family - to the lions if it means they get one more day to stand on their soapbox.

Because that's all the matters to them. That's all that has ever mattered to them. It is not being part of a master race, it's that sad, little lie they can tell themselves in the mirror at night, that they're somehow a better, purer, more special and unique little snowflake, than anyone else.
 
What's the difference between right, far right and alt right?

Which one are the actual racists?

Also, are we pretending that the right has more internal conflicts than the left?
 
Most of these right winger coalitions are made up of the most vile and dramatic cunts in the universe, turns out even they can't stand themselves
 
What's the difference between right, far right and alt right?

Which one are the actual racists?

The Right is a hold-all term to describe those who have strict conservative stances and philosophical ideologies, that routinely help advance oppressive, racism, religious and fascist agendas, for the purpose of having a wealthy and powerful elite race in society at the helm atop the masses of the public, and hide these beliefs from the public through cryptically ambiguous political rhetoric, often preying on societies 'perceived' problems (immigration, war, taxation) and fallacies to further their grip on power. The Far Right is the movement that more brazenly feels empowered by the beliefs I just described before, these are the more visible terrorist movements like the KKK and Neo Nazis, though it by no means ends with those pieces of shit. The alt-right is a relatively new term to describe a movement within the Right that, whilst also denouncing the need to hide behind political agenda, prefer the obnoxious self-entitlement that was born out of online anonymity, adopting members whose main purpose was simply to upset as many people as they could (most likely due to massive insecurities they hide behind their monitors), and are the most recent group to be galvanised, and then neutered by The Right as a whole once they succeeded in advancing the Right's agenda (Trump is in Office thanks in no short part to their obsession with spreading false news on him and Hillary).

To the second question: They all are. No matter what new name or term they steal for themselves (historically the Right is not creative with their identity, they stifle creativity and expression by their very nature), never forget that.

They are all racist.

Edit:

Also, are we pretending that the right has more internal conflicts than the left?

No one here is pretending, we are pointing out facts.
 
These people don't do well with smart people to lead them, that is where the danger is the Bannon types.
Eh, Bannon is a total dope after he exposed himself on 60 minutes. This group never really made it's way to the forefront because of any one thought leader. It was really just Donald Trump who was loud and racist which emboldened already racist losers who hang out on the internet all day. Wouldn't say this is some cohesive ideology that was crafted and spread to create some cohesive group of constituents for a party.
 
People need to read that article about the dude who infiltrated the alt right. They're not infighting so much as they are specializing in various aspects of hatred and institutionalized racism. You have the think tanks, the board rooms, the propaganda arms, the goon squads, etc. if anything they're becoming more dangerous because the leave a pinky dangling out as bait but the rest of the body is functioning well, and they know how to turn the moderate against those who would do what is right.
 

Gluka

Member
I think one thing the alt-right have proven consistently is that there seem to be enough closet racists out there to buy any sort of plausible deniability as long as it gives them an opportunity to share and act on their bigotry. A rebrand will be an easy pill to swallow - if it's even necessary at all.
 
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