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[Dorfdad]

After playing Switch 2 for a week it made me realize how great the Steam Deck is.

On the hardware side, the OLED screen Steam Deck pummels the Switch 2. I remember hearing in previews that the Switch 2 screen was great but I strongly disagree with that due to noticeable ghosting and washed out picture. I like the concept of Joy Cons (the way they attach magnetically is awesome), but they are still uncomfortable to use and the lack of dpad makes some games unplayable IMO. I refuse to use the analog stick for 2D games like a filthy casual. The Steam Deck is just so much more comfortable to hold.

On the software side its usual woes of console gaming. Yes, the Switch has an amazing catalog of games. Unfortunately many of them are handicapped with crappy settings that require a developer to update. That means we're left to beg online and wonder if/when a patch will come for these games. All so they don't look like ass.

Take Dave the Diver for example, great game... locked at 30fps until the dev updates it. People are left to beg for a patch. Now do that with the majority of your Switch library. Disgusting.

I dunno man. I won't call it buyers remorse but I'm feeling a little unenthused. Anyone with me?

Nope not a single bit of remorse. Switch 2 will still be the only place to play Nintendo Games. Anyone buying it to replace their ps5 / series X / Pc should not expect it to better those.

The fact that some of the games that are on my switch, which are exclusive that were locked to 30 frames can now be played at close to or if not 60 frames is a major plus.

Cyberpunk alone as a launch title has shown us that the system is capable of playing modern games and the picture only console. It's a hell of a better choice than any other Nintendo system.

It's still really early days a lot of developers never had the tools and kits give it a little time and you'll be happy with your purchase

 

[Buggy Loop]

If you want to get a PC, get a PC.

If you want a launch console, with all it entails, including flawed BC and a small software library, get a launch console.

This isn't that complicated.

Its why I haven't bought and likely won't be buying a PC handheld ever

I have a PC

Nintendo switch 1 & 2 are because of Nintendo games. It also ends up being a nice thing to put in a backpack for travel if I have an hitch to play portable, but overall it remains docked most of the time. That hitch to play portable is quite rare and isn't enough to warrant a PC handheld in my case.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Nothing was made for Deck, is the point being made. You being able to repurpose things made for standard PCs via USB or translation layers doesn't make them for the Deck

It feels like you understand inherently the difference between a PC and a console, but are continuing this inane discussion for some reason regardless

As it this makes a single bit of difference.

 

[TintoConCasera]

My man, you got yourself into console territory, so don't be surprised if you start missing PC features.

 

[Kacho]

Jesus Christ what have I done

 

[Zannegan]

Can I customize external design and grip??

...Yes? Or at least I'm hoping the Dbrand Killswitch makes the significant difference fans say it does. Switch 2 is more comfortable than the Switch just by virtue if being bigger, but the joycon 2 definitely could have been more grippable.

 

[LakeOf9]

As it this makes a single bit of difference.

It does, that is the thesis of the topic you are posting in

 

[rodrigolfp]

It does

How?

 

[diffusionx]

Or want a launch console with Nintendo's biggest selling franchise on day one... Get a Switch 2..

if that's enough for you, great, but that's what it is.

Jesus Christ what have I done

 

[rodrigolfp]

...Yes? Or at least I'm hoping the Dbrand Killswitch makes the significant difference fans say it does. Switch 2 is more comfortable than the Switch just by virtue if being bigger, but the joycon 2 definitely could have been more grippable.

The grip. Back buttons for example are already a thing on SW2?

 

[Dorfdad]

The grip. Back buttons for example are already a thing on SW2?

I think he means how they extend out and feel more like a joystick than the back buttons. That's the only problem I have with the switch to is where I grip it. My thumb is has to be bent a lot to hit the joy cons sticks. It's clearly made for the little our hands than adult adults.

 

[Mozza]

if that's enough for you, great, but that's what it is.

I guess you guys have far to much time on your hands lol...

 

[LakeOf9]

How?

Once again:

• Switch, console, mass market mainstream device, games and accessories are bespoke and made for it, targeting its very specific hardware and configurations specifically. Switch sells a lot more than every PC handheld put together, times 30, so it gets an obscene, never ending cavalcade of support of this nature
• Steam Deck, PC. Niche device, sold directly to customers, no retail presence, minimal sales. Most hardware and software developers are not targeting the Steam Deck hardware or profile, but the Steam Deck is a PC, so it can use most general purpose accessories, and most games, regardless thanks to PC's general purpose opennesss

This is the third time I've explained this now, if you are still refusing to get it, you are either a fucking idiot, or you are arguing in bad faith, in both cases, I have no interest in repeating this again.

 

[corgiix3]

is this the first time you buy a new console?

 

[Mozza]

Jesus Christ what have I done

You are well aware of what you have done you little tease...

 

[existensmaximum]

Surely almost no one is choosing between the Steam Deck and the Switch 2? The target demographics have to be very very different.

 

[hemo memo]

Nope not a single bit of remorse. Switch 2 will still be the only place to play Nintendo Games. Anyone buying it to replace their ps5 / series X / Pc should not expect it to better those.

The fact that some of the games that are on my switch, which are exclusive that were locked to 30 frames can now be played at close to or if not 60 frames is a major plus.

Cyberpunk alone as a launch title has shown us that the system is capable of playing modern games and the picture only console. It's a hell of a better choice than any other Nintendo system.

It's still really early days a lot of developers never had the tools and kits give it a little time and you'll be happy with your purchase

You could have stopped at "only place to play Nintendo games". That's it.

 

[rodrigolfp]

• • Steam Deck, PC. Niche device, sold directly to customers, no retail presence, minimal sales. Most hardware and software developers are not targeting the Steam Deck hardware or profile, but the Steam Deck is a PC, so it can use most general purpose accessories, and most games, regardless thanks to PC's general purpose opennesss

How does this makes any difference in practice, genius? Accessories are not made for the Deck but the Deck was made to work with the accessories. For the consumer it makes zero difference. Why would anyone make an accessory for the Deck only if the accessory can be made for the Deck AND "EVERYTHING" else??

 

[Buggy Loop]

Surely almost no one is choosing between the Steam Deck and the Switch 2? The target demographics have to be very very different.

 

[Mozza]

Surely almost no one is choosing between the Steam Deck and the Switch 2? The target demographics have to be very very different.

In reality most that have bought a Switch or Switch 2 will not even be aware the steam deck exists.

 

[LakeOf9]

How does this makes any difference in practice, genius? Accessories are not made for the Deck but the Deck was made to work with the accessories. For the consumer it makes zero difference. Why would anyone make an accessory for the Deck only if the accessory can be made for the Deck AND "EVERYTHING" else??

Are you seriously so stupid you don't get the difference between plug and play (consoles) and tinkering and troubleshooting (PC)

Like, are you actually that stupid. You buy a third party joycon for the Switch, you turn it on, it works with the system zero hassle

You buy a regular USB-C thing for your Deck, you spend time setting it up and getting it to work

Are you actually so stupid or so PC pilled that you cannot see the difference that makes for the end customer

 

[TintoConCasera]

Are you seriously so stupid you don't get the difference between plug and play (consoles) and tinkering and troubleshooting (PC)

Like, are you actually that stupid. You buy a third party joycon for the Switch, you turn it on, it works with the system zero hassle

You buy a regular USB-C thing for your Deck, you spend time setting it up and getting it to work

Are you actually so stupid or so PC pilled that you cannot see the difference that makes for the end customer

 

[Darkness_Arises]

You are talking to people who were hurt by the Vita and PSVR2 flopping and support drying up in short order. They don't understand that Valve could stop updating it right now and it would still get a ton of games that work fine without the devs lifting a finger.

There is something to be said about this, particularly when dealing with underpowered crap like the OG Switch. It doesn't matter how much more powerful the S2 is, until that patch comes through the games will look like ass and be stuck at 30 fps. Considering how well Cyberpunk runs, the S2 should be running MH Rise much better than my deck, but until the patch comes through, that power is useless. Makes me wish for a world where the XC games were available on Steam, I would be playing them at 720p on my Deck. The state of the XC games on S2 is pathetic with no recourse (I know they can be emulated on PC, I do not have a powerful one).
Even if MH Rise was patched it would still be inferior to control thanks to genius hardware engineers at NIntendo who stuck with joysticks that are closer to the Vita than modern controllers.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Are you seriously so stupid you don't get the difference between plug and play (consoles) and tinkering and troubleshooting (PC)

Like, are you actually that stupid. You buy a third party joycon for the Switch, you turn it on, it works with the system zero hassle

You buy a regular USB-C thing for your Deck, you spend time setting it up and getting it to work

Are you actually so stupid or so PC pilled that you cannot see the difference that makes for the end customer

How is this any relevant for the amount of accessories that Deck and Switch can have????????????????????

 

[LakeOf9]

 

[Warnen]

Wish destiny 2 was on the switch 2 I'd sell my legion go….

 

[hemo memo]

Are you seriously so stupid you don't get the difference between plug and play (consoles) and tinkering and troubleshooting (PC)

Like, are you actually that stupid. You buy a third party joycon for the Switch, you turn it on, it works with the system zero hassle

You buy a regular USB-C thing for your Deck, you spend time setting it up and getting it to work

Are you actually so stupid or so PC pilled that you cannot see the difference that makes for the end customer

It's not that serious, man. Chill out. Neither Nintendo nor Steam cares about you or your existence.

 

[TintoConCasera]

How is this any relevant for the amount of accessories that Deck and Switch can have????????????????????

Nothing against Lake, but he's coming of as someone who's not used to PC and overblowing the "tinkering" stuff.

Honestly L LakeOf9 , most of the stuff I plug into my PC is plug and play nowadays, modern OS are ready for that. And if it doesn't it wont take more than 5 minutes to figure out. But I get it, for someone that's used to PC that's a non-issue but I can see it being an issue for some sectors of the Switch 2 userbase, like kids, old people or people that aren't used to use a PC in they daily life.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Nothing against Lake, but he's coming of as someone who's not used to PC

Clearly.

 

[Topher]

Don't necessarily disagree with anything the OP said. I think my expectations were a bit different though. As Punished Miku said, I bought Switch 2 for first party games. I'm playing Botw (which is fantastic) and Super Mario Odyssey. After that, Bravely Default. Next month Donkey Kong. Eventually Totk and others. So basically just games that have been updated for Switch 2. Other than that, if a game is available on any other platform then I don't know why I would play it on Switch 2 which is the weakest device I own.

The other stuff. The screen isn't great. The device is uncomfortable. All true. The screen I can deal with as although it isn't great, it isn't bad either. It's ok. Grips are available for Switch 2, however, so that's fixable.

So far, for me, there hasn't been any deal breaker for Switch 2.

 

[Mozza]

How is this any relevant for the amount of accessories that Deck and Switch can have????????????????????

I have been wondering how any of your Switch related posts are relevant for ages now. But please keep them coming.

 

[LakeOf9]

Nothing against Lake, but he's coming of as someone who's not used to PC and overblowing the "tinkering" stuff.

Honestly L LakeOf9 , most of the stuff I plug into my PC is plug and play nowadays, modern OS are ready for that. And if it doesn't it wont take more than 5 minutes to figure out. But I get it, for someone that's used to PC that's a non-issue but I can see it being an issue for some sectors of the Switch 2 userbase, like kids, old people or people that aren't used to use a PC in they daily life.

No I know, I play PCs all the time, but I have seen the average user struggle with my Deck, and I have seen them have no issue with my Switch

Once you know what the average person's usage experience is like, you no longer make the equivalence between console and PC

It's not that serious, man. Chill out. Neither Nintendo nor Steam cares about you or your existence.

Nintendo doesn't, Lord Gaben does

 

[memoryman3]

The only reason why you would get a Switch 2 over a Switch OLED or Steam Deck, illustrated.

 

[Mozza]

Don't necessarily disagree with anything the OP said. I think my expectations were a bit different though. As Punished Miku said, I bought Switch 2 for first party games. I'm playing Botw and Super Mario Odyssey. After that, Bravely Default. Next month Donkey Kong. Eventually Totk and others. So basically just games that have been updated for Switch 2. Other than that, if a game is available on any other platform then I don't know why I would play it on Switch 2 which is the weakest device I own.

The other stuff. The screen isn't great. The device is uncomfortable. All true. The screen I can deal with as although it isn't great, it isn't bad either. It's ok. Grips are available for Switch 2, however, so that's fixable.

So far, for me, there hasn't been any deal breaker for Switch 2.

So true.... Most people are buying a Switch 2 are buying it for the Nintendo exclusives. Just look at the best selling games on the original Switch..... There is a big clue there.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Are you seriously so stupid you don't get the difference between plug and play (consoles) and tinkering and troubleshooting (PC)

Ask him how to get XeSS running on steamdeck since FSR is dogshit

Peoples trying to claim there's no tinkering on PC handhelds... until you point out the pixel soup.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Mine is coming later today so I'll have to see for myself. But I fully expected Switch 2 to be mainly for Nintendo first party games. Anything available on Steam I will buy on Steam and play on Steam Deck/PC, unless it's something my wife and kids want to play.

Also I OWN A STEAM DECK

Switch 2 launch line up is bizarre.

Not sure if calling it a lineup makes sense when its practically just 1 game.

Never seen a console launch like this.

Reminds me of Wii U launch. 1 big first party game + a bunch of ports of old 3rd party games.

 

[SomeGit]

I've been loving the native games, but yeah it's a bit underwhelming that a lot of games are stuck to low res or worse capped 30FPS because of Switch 1, it's makes the Deck a better machine to play for the vast majority of games released in the last 8 years.

It doesn't help that third parties aren't talking about Switch 2 upgrades, to give a specify example THPS 3+4 comes out next month, there are 2 physical versions normal for Switch 1 and Key cart for Switch 2, I'd be tempted to get but the Switch 1 version but is that upgradable? Even if it is, and I want to go back and play 1+2... is that gonna be upgraded or stuck at 30fps?

It will probably get better as time goes on, but better communication on that aspect would be great. We could also have the Sega way were they do release Switch 2 version but you have to buy it all over again, a giant kick in the nuts.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I have been wondering how any of your Switch related posts are relevant for ages now. But please keep them coming.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I switch between my OLED steam deck and Portal for most of my gaming. Got about zero interest in this Switch 2 even though I own 2 Switches.

 

[Kacho]

You are well aware of what you have done you little tease...

Kinda. I'm only sharing my honest thoughts though.

To be clear, Switch 2 games look and run great on the machine, no problems there. It's the handicapped BC stuff that's a bummer. Age of Calamity runs a stable 30fps now but it still looks like ass because it's a Switch game running at 30fps. There are plenty of examples like that. Hard to stomach IMO.

 

[LakeOf9]

Reminds me of Wii U launch. 1 big first party game + a bunch of ports of old 3rd party games.

Or the Switch 1 launch, lol

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I can practically taste the Switch 2s demise already

Thank you Kacho for making this thread

Thank you GigaBowser for getting yourself banned

 

[hemo memo]

I can practically taste the Switch 2s demise already

Thank you Kacho for making this thread

Thank you GigaBowser for getting yourself banned

Wait did he? When?? Damn.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Kinda. I'm only sharing my honest thoughts though.

To be clear, Switch 2 games look and run great on the machine, no problems there. It's the handicapped BC stuff that's a bummer. Age of Calamity runs a stable 30fps now but it still looks like ass because it's a Switch game running at 30fps. There are plenty of examples like that. Hard to stomach IMO.

Hopefully console game devs start making the transition from "originalconsole" to "next console via BC" more seamless. Not being able to use all the juice of the system out of the box seems bizarre to me, and so is having to wait for a patch that all it does is change some .ini setting to unlock the framerate.

If BC keeps being the norm with future consoles hopefully they'll improve on this.

Or the Switch 1 launch, lol

That one had a Zelda game, much more enticing imo than MK. For me, for a lot of people I understand MK being the shit.

 

[touchfuzzy]

Amount of times the 'Performance Overlay' has randomly popped up for no reason on my Switch 2, forcing me to stop playing and Google where in the settings it's buried to manually turn it off again: 0

 

[Mozza]

Kinda. I'm only sharing my honest thoughts though.

To be clear, Switch 2 games look and run great on the machine, no problems there. It's the handicapped BC stuff that's a bummer. Age of Calamity runs a stable 30fps now but it still looks like ass because it's a Switch game running at 30fps. There are plenty of examples like that. Hard to stomach IMO.

Pretty much most original Switch games run better to be fair. But you will always get that trade off looks wise as the new machine has more power. To my eyes Animal crossing still looks pretty decent and has nice art style. Splatoon 3 is also a nice upgrade and looks pretty decent as well.

 

[clarky]

I can practically taste the Switch 2s demise already

Thank you Kacho for making this thread

Thank you GigaBowser for getting yourself banned

You oor jooking write?

 

[Danjin44]

Nope, I personally enjoy crap out of Switch 2, both MKWorld and Bravely super fun to play.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Nope not a single bit of remorse. Switch 2 will still be the only place to play Nintendo Games. Anyone buying it to replace their ps5 / series X / Pc should not expect it to better those.

The fact that some of the games that are on my switch, which are exclusive that were locked to 30 frames can now be played at close to or if not 60 frames is a major plus.

Cyberpunk alone as a launch title has shown us that the system is capable of playing modern games and the picture only console. It's a hell of a better choice than any other Nintendo system.

It's still really early days a lot of developers never had the tools and kits give it a little time and you'll be happy with your purchase

B-b-but I can play my totally legal copies of Nintendo games on my Steam Deck at higher resolutions and frame rates without being cuckolded by Nintendo!!!

...Yes? Or at least I'm hoping the Dbrand Killswitch makes the significant difference fans say it does. Switch 2 is more comfortable than the Switch just by virtue if being bigger, but the joycon 2 definitely could have been more grippable.

I actually think the OG/OLED Switch is more comfortable for the same reason you think the SW2 is more comfortable. I don't care for how big "handhelds" are now.

Once again:

• Switch, console, mass market mainstream device, games and accessories are bespoke and made for it, targeting its very specific hardware and configurations specifically. Switch sells a lot more than every PC handheld put together, times 30, so it gets an obscene, never ending cavalcade of support of this nature
• Steam Deck, PC. Niche device, sold directly to customers, no retail presence, minimal sales. Most hardware and software developers are not targeting the Steam Deck hardware or profile, but the Steam Deck is a PC, so it can use most general purpose accessories, and most games, regardless thanks to PC's general purpose opennesss

This is the third time I've explained this now, if you are still refusing to get it, you are either a fucking idiot, or you are arguing in bad faith, in both cases, I have no interest in repeating this again.

There is no point arguing with him. This is how every single conversation goes with him unless you are side by side with him sucking PC off. He always has a clear agenda and arguing with him is a waste of breath.

Surely almost no one is choosing between the Steam Deck and the Switch 2? The target demographics have to be very very different.

Tell that to the countless YouTube comments on every Switch 2 review. My favorite tech YouTuber even made a video about it because his Switch review was full of them. Or take a look at all the runaway posts in the Switch threads here.

The only reason why you would get a Switch 2 over a Switch OLED or Steam Deck, illustrated.

Bro! Calm down! We're trying to argue here not jerk off. Come on man...

I switch between my OLED steam deck and Portal for most of my gaming. Got about zero interest in this Switch 2 even though I own 2 Switches.

Is there a reason you don't run Chiaki or PS Play on the SD versus the Portal?

 

[AngelMuffin]

Switch 2 launch line up is bizarre.

Not sure if calling it a lineup makes sense when its practically just 1 game.

Never seen a console launch like this.

Reminds me of the PS5 launch. Only game I bought was DS Remake. Not into Spiderman si the glorified MM DLC didn't interest me. I'm using my SW2 as a MK machine along with revisiting SW1 games that had performance issues. I'm confident by the end of year we'll have a solid stable of first party games to include DK & MP4 along with a few other surprises & strong 3rd party support.