Naw. I'm sure most people who don't financially benefit from poor farming conditions would be OK with better conditions. How you deliver your message counts. An obnoxious tone will send almost all away.
It's a good thing that BLM and Veganism are two wholly different things and not remotely comparable then.
Nothing wrong with being vegan, also nothing wrong with eating meat. Nobody on either side should really be judging.
On topic, people should just stay out of other people's business. If someone eats meat then leave em alone. If someone is eating plants, leave them alone.
Genuinely looking forward to lab grown meat. Should be able to significantly change the environmental impact of animal farming, and keep the flow of meat going as populations continue to expand.
And pretty sure some aggressive vegan will protest the lab meat too.
Probably. But at the same time, I am quite sure that aggressive meat eaters will complain about lab meat *not* being meat. I mean, I cannot have my rice milk without being told that it is not milk. And I can not have my nuggets, because they are not real nuggets. I can see that happening in this case as well.
I can see real meat becoming a high value luxury commodity in future.
I'm a bit fussy when it comes to food but the wife swapped some chicken nuggets for a quick meal with impostor vegetable fungus nuggets and I didn't notice the difference. Delicious fake nuggets were delicious.
I can see real meat becoming a high value luxury commodity in future.
We can actually use the livestock to green the desert, it's just a matter of doing it right.Nerazar said:And yes, real meat will (must!) become a luxury commidity in order to sustain the planet. The moment we started mass-"producing" meat, the environment and everything went downhill.
I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just saying that on a basic level there's nothing wrong with it.i eat meat probably more than anyone i know, but even i can admit there's obviously a lot wrong about it.. firstly we eat WAY too much of it (in the west at least), it has become unhealthy. and the amount of farming we have to do just to feed all the cows and pigs is ridiculous (seriously look into it), way too much fertile land gets used up.
a uni class i took in basic ecology really drilled it into me, there's absolutely no doubt that meat eating causes harm. and the professor was far from a vegan or treehugging hippie.. he lamented the fact that we couldnt do invasive tests on live cats anymore lol, dude was a hardcore emotionless scientist, yet even HE knew we need to curb eating meat.
That's an awful lot of "ifs" that have no shot of taking place. And you still left out the "if" the lobbyists didn't use their influence to keep the meat and fast food industry alive in spite of public pressure.
It's like if I played the powerball, and if I won, I might have a chance to date Rihanna.
We already have meat replacements not made in labs that are barely distinguishable from meat. If you're not eating those, I doubt you or the general public will take to lab grown meat.Because of lab meat? Who knows, currently meat is actually getting cheaper thanks to higher efficiency. And in the not so distant future, we'll get even more efficient thanks to gene editing.
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I'm a vegan, so make of that what you will.
I just wanted to add/reiterate two points: I think the aggressive vegan is largely a caricature. Sure, some exist, but the VAST majority of vegans I've met aren't screaming about how meat is murder at you while drowning your car in red paint. I think this is largely a way of distancing some of the uglier sides of meat consumption onto some strawman so that it's easier to combat veganism than to hear out some of the ideas from the more rational vegan.
The other thing is I get so much fucking shit for being a vegan and it's really damn annoying, so these "aggressive" acts are probably, in large part, someone just reacting to the billionth comment about their diet for the day. If coworkers go out for lunch, they'll make a point about making sure there's beef or something in my meal, or that if I seem frustrated at work they'll comment that I probably just need to eat some meat. Or the worst is when people say they just want "normal" food as if my soup and salad isn't normal.
Lastly, vegans hate the preachiest bunch too. Like, I just want to eat some food, I don't really make a big commentary about what I eat. If someone comes to me with questions about veganism I'll entertain them, but I really don't care about preaching like so many seem to think I do.
Sure, let's find scapegoats and try to escape any sense of responsibility everyone has themselves. It's not that most meat eaters are pathetic, lazy, ignorant pieces of shit who can't even aim to lessen meat eating, it's TEH EVIL VEGANS who are all to blame.
Sure, let's find scapegoats and try to escape any sense of responsibility everyone has themselves. It's not that most meat eaters are pathetic, lazy, ignorant pieces of shit who can't even aim to lessen meat eating, it's TEH EVIL VEGANS who are all to blame.
We already have meat replacements not made in labs that are barely distinguishable from meat. If you're not eating those, I doubt you or the general public will take to lab grown meat.
Somebody throw some mince at this guy.most meat eaters are pathetic, lazy, ignorant pieces of shit
assholes trying to tell me I'm a piece of shit for eating a burger is one thing, but the price is another.
I'd love to go vegan, but I sincerely love the taste of meat too much. Once veg burgers that taste like a real burger are affordable (read: on par in price to their real beef counterparts), I'll try to make the swtich.
Texture is a huge part for me. When I chew the patty I want the consistency to be the same.Well to be fair, what makes a burger tastes great depends 99% on the sauces and toppings used. Not what you actually use as a patty, even though there are tons of meat replacements possible, so you'll no doubt like one more than the other. Texture plays a very big part in that.
That counts for a lot of things actually.
For instance, I had vegan pittas for supper tonight. pitta pocket bread, lettuce, tomatoes, pitta (garlic) sauce and grilled Seitan strips instead of lamb or chicken meat.
Absolutely delicious and I even like these better than the meat filled ones I used to eat.
Sure, let's find scapegoats and try to escape any sense of responsibility everyone has themselves. It's not that most meat eaters are pathetic, lazy, ignorant pieces of shit who can't even aim to lessen meat eating, it's TEH EVIL VEGANS who are all to blame.
We already have meat replacements not made in labs that are barely distinguishable from meat. If you're not eating those, I doubt you or the general public will take to lab grown meat.
my cousins wife cannot be in the same house if theres food that isnt 100% vegan being eaten or cooked. she will leave and sit outside during meals.
painted a pretty sour picture of vegans for them
Sure, let's find scapegoats and try to escape any sense of responsibility everyone has themselves. It's not that most meat eaters are pathetic, lazy, ignorant pieces of shit who can't even aim to lessen meat eating, it's TEH EVIL VEGANS who are all to blame.
Sure, let's find scapegoats and try to escape any sense of responsibility everyone has themselves. It's not that most meat eaters are pathetic, lazy, ignorant pieces of shit who can't even aim to lessen meat eating, it's TEH EVIL VEGANS who are all to blame.
We already have meat replacements not made in labs that are barely distinguishable from meat. If you're not eating those, I doubt you or the general public will take to lab grown meat.
When meateaters complain about judge-y vegans they sound like conservatives complaining that the Dunkin Donuts cups don't say Merry Christmas anymore.
the post above this post is the stupidest thing currently in this thread
the post above this post is the stupidest thing currently in this thread
Also telling someone to change their eating habits is kind of a dick thing to do unless their next cheeseburger is literally going to give them a heart attack or something
Are you American.. just wondering?We don't like cocky dickheads telling us how to live our lives. Not really news and certainly not limited to vegans.
my cousins wife cannot be in the same house if theres food that isnt 100% vegan being eaten or cooked. she will leave and sit outside during meals.
painted a pretty sour picture of vegans for them
This is even too much.
25% is land use. Not all land use is used to feed livestock/is livestock.
I've been constantly hearing the "eating meat is over half of our total emissions" and I get so fucking frustrated when it's always the one stupid study that was basically tossed because of how horrible their methods were for counting emissions (they were basically double counting emissions).
The thing is, vegans are right. Eating less meat reduces emissions, reduces the money flowing into shitty practices that are horrible for animals and the environment.
But like all things, people go way too far and produce horribly incorrect facts when trying to prove an argument or show others why their lifestyle is a better one to live.
Yes, if everyone switched non-meat we would reduce a decent chunk of emissions pretty fast. Obviously, that's not actually realistic and a far more feasible way to reduce emissions are changing our energy infrastructure and transportation to non-carbon sources using already existing technology (which account for around 40%, not even counting industry).
You can be aggressive with the truth, but you'll lose allies when your truth is twisted or just wrong and you have to be called out on it.
I'll never be a vegan, but that doesn't mean I haven't changed my habits to reduce impact. I eat far less red meat because chicken is a far more carbon friendly meat. It's not perfect, but it's better than constantly consuming steak. I don't care about killing animals for food, the only animal I feel a bit iffy about are pigs because they aren't dumb as bricks like cows or chickens. Doesn't mean any animal deserves some of the horrible living conditions.
Using "shame" when the other person doesn't actually care about something doesn't really work either. Maybe I'm just desensitized or I actually understand that my food comes from animals getting their throats slit, but I always laugh when I see people who try and convince others using slaughter house videos of animal brutality to shame or convince people to not eat meat (it's a horrible argument because you can support laws that prevent abuse/shitty habits and still enjoy meat).
And like all things, if you try to shame someone who isn't actually interested in listening to you or interested at all in a lifestyle change, you'll always get a negative reactions because fuck you it's none of your business what I do with my life. Even if you do have good intentions.
TLDR: Vegans are right when it comes to the environment and animals living in shitty conditions (but I see a lot of false statements used to prove already true points), you can't really convince people of lifestyle changes online, especially when you try and shame someone who wasn't all that interested in the first place.
https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/10160/co2-emissions-per-calorie-food said:Lamb 20.85
Beef 13.78
Turkey 5.83
Broccoli 5.71
Tuna 5.26
Salmon 5.15
Cheese 4.47
Pork 4.45
Yogurt 3.49
Chicken 3.37
Milk 3.17
Eggs 3.06
Rice 2.08
Potatoes 1.46
Beans 1.40
Tomato 1.39
Tofu 1.38
Lentils 0.78
Peanut Butter 0.42
Nuts 0.39
Meat eaters are snowflakes confirmed. Please. Eat whatever you want but don't complain about other's attitudes towards your choices. Are you that thin skinned?
I intentionally made a dumb post .
I really don't care if you are vegan or carnivore or what ever.
Eat what you want to. Unless it is poison or thumbtacks or something ridiculous I am not going to care or judge or stop you if it looks delicious I myself will find somewhere (restaurant shop) and somehow (make it myself or a bad approximation) to try that dish in particular.
I have met some holier than thou vegan/vegetarians and some dumb as shit meat eaters as well as people who are vegan and never talked about it (it does happen) until I asked them do they want to try some of my pizza then they told me. I also know some of the smartest liberal meat eaters ever.
So in conclusion Don't force your beliefs on me especially not when I am eating. I would never do the same. (Talking healthy eating advice etc is different especially when it's a two way convo) me eating It's either me spending time with the family at a restaurant or else where or eating at work on a break and enjoying some peace and quiet.
Going vegan doesn't necessarily help. What helps is cutting out lamb and beef. Leave pork, chicken, and most fish alone.
Lamb and beef are absolutely a pretty huge issue, though.
kg of co2 per 1000 calories:
Going vegan doesn't necessarily help. What helps is cutting out lamb and beef. Leave pork, chicken, and most fish alone.
Lamb and beef are absolutely a pretty huge issue, though.