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"Airplane" director's new film to take on "the far left"; hilarity ensues

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catfish said:
This whole thing above makes me hate all of the people involved with what I now consider to be a piece of shit film. How the fuck did the dude above know that the people don't 'believe in christ'? I bet he assumed it. Furthermore, you don't need to have faith in god to accurately describe the antichrist.
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So you're allowed to call people the antichrist without getting called on it. Well atleast as long as that "antichrist" is the truly annoying Ann Coulter.
 
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soul creator said:
when people call Ann Coulter the antichrist, they obviously don't like her, but it's just an exaggeration for humor and effect

when people call Obama the antichrist, it's because they seriously consider it
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I'm not saying its not humourous or can be accurately related to the retarded Coast to Coast listeners who believe Obama is the antichrist, but if you are talking to Grammer and call one of his friends the antichrist don't expect him to be like "LOL YEAH".
 
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GenericPseudonym said:
I'm not saying its not humourous or can be accurately related to the retarded Coast to Coast listeners who believe Obama is the antichrist, but if you are talking to Grammer and call one of his friends the antichrist don't expect him to be like "LOL YEAH".
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How about bigoted religion baiting homophobe?
 
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Dan

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Socreges said:
this is what i've noticed lately and i'd like to hear people's thoughts on this:

what is the "far left"?? people that distinctly identify themselves as being on the right (they often 'other' themselves, something 'liberals' don't do nearly as much) are always talking about liberals and the far left and such things as if there is some massive ongoing monolithic movement. the important problem here is that they have not found a way to articulate what exactly is going on. it's like no one has tried because it's impossible. so there are vague accusations thrown at the 'left' (now the 'far left') like they are conspiring against america.
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Far left, as thrown about by conservatives, is basically code for the political Other. I'd argue that the Bush administration, particularly with the DOJ, has been actively trying to cement that Otherness into a political reality, and not just a concept.

True far left politics has extremely little presence in American power structures.
 
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There is definitely material to work with . . . environmentalists that don't understand the science at all, Hollywood buddhists, extreme politically correct hate speech police, etc.

But this . . . it just sounds awful.

I'm not sure he's been following the news but the left is currently in favor in response to the over-reaching by the right which caused needless wars, massive deficits, and economic disaster.

If you want humor . . . you gotta go out to the extremes. Naive hippies and ignorant renecks are funny . . . the middle-left and middle-right are not.
 
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Stoney Mason

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Hollywood's conservative underground
'Friends of Abe' group meets quietly
Amy Fagan (Contact)
Wednesday, July 23, 2008

EXCLUSIVE:

A group of politically conservative and centrist Hollywood figures organized by actor Gary Sinise and others has been meeting quietly in restaurants and private homes, forming a loose-knit network of entertainers who share common beliefs like supporting U.S. troops and traditional American values.

Some of those involved are taking more public steps to counter the entertainment industry's tilt toward liberalism and Democratic politics, such as campaigning for Republican Sen. John McCain or crafting projects to portray America in a more positive light.

The group, whose members call themselves "Friends of Abe" after Abraham Lincoln, was organized as an underground movement because of fears that prominent industry titans with outspoken liberal views would retaliate, said participants. They often were reluctant to name members of the group in interviews for fear it would hurt their careers.


"It's a growing movement, and word is getting out that there's many of us in this business ...," said 1950s singer Pat Boone, one of the few conservatives to talk about the movement publicly. "If certain studio execs - hirers and firers - learn that this is a movement and growing, and that some of these people that they hire are of this inclination, these people could be unemployed."

Friends of Abe has functioned like a support group, organizing informal gatherings where actors, producers, screenwriters, key grips and other industry types can share common values or discuss concerns like anti-Americanism in Hollywood movies or the perception of industry bias against conservatives and Republicans.

The movement has grown over the past few years from gatherings of a few dozen to one last month that drew more than 600 to a billionaire's California estate, Mr. Boone said.

People familiar with the movement credited Mr. Sinise, whose roles range from the blockbuster movie "Forrest Gump" to the TV show "CSI: New York" for helping organize the movement.

Sinise spokeswoman Staci Wolfe said the actor was traveling with a band to entertain U.S. troops overseas and was unavailable for an interview. She would say only: "He is not registered with any political party."

Participants said Friends of Abe is not partisan, but rather functions as a support group where Republicans, Democrats and independents alike can discuss issues they care about. And the low-key gatherings at restaurants and homes have given conservatives a safe place to meet and express their views, they added.

"A Friend of Abe is someone who has reverence for those who serve in our military and believes that American liberal democracy is a unique success, different from others, and it's worthy of the respect of our popular culture ... of Hollywood in particular," said screenwriter Lionel Chetwynd, who helped organize Friends of Abe luncheons when they began four years ago.

Mr. Chetwynd said Friends of Abe generally find themselves at odds with the rhetoric of their hard-left colleagues in Hollywood.

Craig Haffner, a producer who also attended the gatherings, said Friends of Abe is "not a political action group; people are gravitating to it because they love their country."

While the group is not organizing any political activities, some of its members are taking action into their own hands.

Actor Jon Voight, Mr. Boone, Mr. Chetwynd and Mr. Haffner have stepped forward and actively campaigned for Mr. McCain's presidential bid. Mr. Boone said he talked to McCain campaign staffers last week about how he and other stars can help. Supporters now are assembling a formal organization for Mr. McCain in Hollywood, a few of the leaders said.

Meanwhile, many want to produce more movie and theater projects with a positive American message and stronger emphasis on positive cultural values instead of films that paint America as "the great Satan," Mr. Boone said. Mr. Chetwynd said such efforts have been under way for several years, well before the Friends of Abe luncheons began.

Actor Kelsey Grammer, a Republican, is aware of the group but won't comment further, his publicist said.

David Horowitz, another Hollywood conservative and founder of the Los Angeles-based Center for the Study of Popular Culture, said the group is serving a good purpose but he worries its members won't be aggressive enough.

"There's a kind of ... intellectual terror in this town. People are terrorized; they're afraid to say what they think. So what Gary is doing to provide aid and comfort to its victims is admirable, and I applaud him for it," he said. "But my concern is it's not going to be much more than that."
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/23/hollywoods-conservative-underground/
 
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A group of politically conservative and centrist Hollywood figures organized by actor Gary Sinise
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He always plays convincing bad guys in films. Coincidence?

So you're allowed to call people the antichrist without getting called on it. Well atleast as long as that "antichrist" is the truly annoying Ann Coulter.
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Well I was raised in a 'new life church' environment until I was 17. I'm an atheist but feel comfortable personifying somebody as the antichrist, just as I would be comfortable calling the Leader of the Netherlands 'harry potter' (because he looks like harry potter).

I don't believe in either of these (IMO) fictional characters. But I'm aware of them and understand what calling somebody by their names insinuates.

Kelsy grammer was (again IMO) using the whole American 'if you don't believe in god you are bad' thing to paint an negative picture of left leaning people. Something he seems to have a problem with them doing to him.

Left and right are both dicks. surprise surprise.
 
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mattiewheels

And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
yeah, i'm interested in the definition of 'anti-american' these nutjobs keep bringing up.

anytime a dirty liberal questions the president, is that their definition of anti-american? under my definition of what it would take to be anti-american, i don't think anything they're talking about would qualify. anti-conservative, yeah. but i guess they consider that anti-american by default. wow, i need to catch myself here...i'm actually getting angry thinking about this nonsense.
 
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mattiewheels said:
yeah, i'm interested in the definition of 'anti-american' these nutjobs keep bringing up.

anytime a dirty liberal questions the president, is that their definition of anti-american? under my definition of what it would take to be anti-american, i don't think anything they're talking about would qualify. anti-conservative, yeah. but i guess they consider that anti-american by default. wow, i need to catch myself here...i'm actually getting angry thinking about this nonsense.
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It is one of the great things in America that you can question the President and everyone else. I'm terrified of anyone in power that tries to turn that right into a crime or something worth deriding, because I know if they say it enough, people will believe we're not allowed to question authority. It's American as hell to talk shit and question everyone, and fuck the anti-Americans that don't like us for doing it.

It's all propaganda, and I hope for everyone's sake, the general population catches on to it one day. It really seems like all the questioning you see only happens in certain circles on the Internet.
 
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Learn2read

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Branduil said:
Sure, if you exclude education...
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...and it's been like this for decades. I'm still waiting for the army of academic footsoldiers to take over the nation.

I know the victim-complex is perhaps the greatest pillar holding up the modern conservative movement, but ever think that perhaps the fact that they've had zero influence outside their lecture halls for decades should tell you something?
 
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mamacint said:
...and it's been like this for decades. I'm still waiting for the army of academic footsoldiers to take over the nation.

I know the victim-complex is perhaps the greatest pillar holding up the modern conservative movement, but ever think that perhaps the fact that they've had zero influence outside their lecture halls for decades should tell you something?
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People grow up.
 
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Dragona Akehi said:
The American "far left"? So we're talking "right-of-centre" using global metrics? :p
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Came in to post this.

I'm not saying OMFG LOLZ SO STOOPID, but American right wingers really need some perspective.

Compared to the rest of the world, the country is already a fortress of right wing ideolegy.
 
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Tom_Cody

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It's almost unbelievable how bad that looks.

The only positive thing I have to say is that I'm glad to see David Alan Grier is still making movies.
 
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Walshicus

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Dragona Akehi said:
The American "far left"? So we're talking "right-of-centre" using global metrics? :p
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C'est vrai. Barack Obama would be a fairly typically aligned candidate for the Conservative Party over here...
 
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Gattsu25 said:
I liked that one :b
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I find it amusing as well, when religious people themselves say that belief in god is born out of fear. Like when people claim that there are no atheists in foxholes.
 
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JayDubya

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Alien Bob said:
It's spelled 'Europe'
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Thanks, Chuckles, I must have learned it wrong in my geography class. That's public education for you!

Dr_Cogent said:
ROFL. GAF IS SO GOING TO HATE THIS MOVIE COLLECTIVELY.
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Sounds like they'd be right, to, though. When a movie is insipid / retarded, I won't like it just because it espouses a view I like. I would hope they would do the same. And this does sound poorly written, to say the least.

Then again, Michael Moore only produces leftist masturbatory rubbish, and it's popular, so... /shrug.
 
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Hitokage

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More than anything else, this movie strikes me as anachronistic.

JayDubya said:
Then again, Michael Moore only produces leftist masturbatory rubbish, and it's popular, so... /shrug.
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Personally, I didn't like Fahrenheit 9/11 all that much overall, but at least I saw it and didn't hop on the HAVEN'T SEEN IT BUT OMG BIASED bandwagon. *shrug*
 
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JayDubya

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Hitokage said:
Personally, I didn't like Fahrenheit 9/11 all that much overall, but at least I saw it and didn't hop on the HAVEN'T SEEN IT BUT OMG BIASED bandwagon. *shrug*
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Saw Bowling and Fahrenheit, one was on cable, the other the wife put into the Netflix queue. Shit. Saw most of Roger and Me on cable as well.

Seen enough clips of his latest to know the argument it makes and slam it down, but won't patronize it in any way.
 
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Hitokage said:
More than anything else, this movie strikes me as anachronistic.

Personally, I didn't like Fahrenheit 9/11 all that much overall, but at least I saw it and didn't hop on the HAVEN'T SEEN IT BUT OMG BIASED bandwagon. *shrug*
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Most of his documentaries are like that. Hardly need to watch F9/11 to know this.
 
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Hitokage

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Ceres said:
Most of his documentaries are like that. Hardly need to watch F9/11 to know this.
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Style is one thing, specific claims and the support given are another.

Anyway, I didn't mean to imply that JayDubya in particular didn't watch it, but rather many people who criticize it in general. I'm pretty big on informed discussion, and yes, one of these days I'll get to reading Atlas Shrugged.
 
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Funky Papa

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Dr_Cogent said:
ROFL. GAF IS SO GOING TO HATE THIS MOVIE COLLECTIVELY.

They cannot, by any circumstances, like it. No how, no way.

:lol
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Hard to like it considering its abysmal attempt at humour. Even Cox & Forkum's cognitive dissonance could provide better material.
 
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Like others have mentioned, the only time lampooning liberals works is when people from the middle (or libertarians) do it. The South Park guys, Penn and Teller or Bill Maher (back when he was more moderate) do a terrific job. If you want a case study on how conservatism can ruin your comedy aptitude .. look at Dennis Miller.

Limbaugh is about the only far right guy that has come close. But even his brand of comedy is taking extreme examples and mocking it. Not very groundbreaking.
 
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Ceres

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Hitokage said:
Style is one thing, specific claims and the support given are another.

Anyway, I didn't mean to imply that JayDubya in particular didn't watch it, but rather many people who criticize it in general. I'm pretty big on informed discussion, and yes, one of these days I'll get to reading Atlas Shrugged.
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Long book is long. I only made it about halfway. Read Anthem instead. Nice short book.

Moore does like to present his documentaries from a single standpoint not allowing for any possibilities that conflict with what he believes. He's not the only one but he's the most vocal and well known one that does this and honestly revolts me just as much as any right wing nut.

And people should listen to some Savage. I think the guys a nut but he's hilarious in his rants.
 
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What a surprise: far right film mocking the far left and the main musical performance is by a country music "star".
 
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genjiZERO

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Hitokage said:
Style is one thing, specific claims and the support given are another.

Anyway, I didn't mean to imply that JayDubya in particular didn't watch it, but rather many people who criticize it in general. I'm pretty big on informed discussion, and yes, one of these days I'll get to reading Atlas Shrugged.
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I tried to read The Fountainhead. Got half-way through and had to stop because it was so self-righteous about art (she ironically fails to realise that Modernism is Classicism), and I didn't like the semi-overt 'the individual is the only thing that matters' theme either.

On topic, 9-11/"the war"/Bush administration isn't funny. There's less genuine democracy in the world now, and a lot of people have died too.
 
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Yaweee

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Zucker says that one of the major differences between the left and the right in America today is that leftists think of their political opponents as evil.
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Huh? Has this guy even paid any attention at all to the right during this campaign cycle? I've lost count of how many times I've heard Obama called the anti-christ, let alone blanket statements from columnists and commentators about liberals being evil.

I'm pretty conservative, but there are better places to attack the left than saying they 'hate America'. This will probably be as unfunny as Postal.
 
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Dyno

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HA! They're reminding us that Barack is black and slaves were black.

HI-FUCKING-LARIOUS!

Zucker should be whipped, just once. We wouldn't want the pain to interfere with the agony of the lynching to follow.
 
Xisiqomelir

Xisiqomelir

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Hitokage said:
I'm pretty big on informed discussion, and yes, one of these days I'll get to reading Atlas Shrugged.
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Read The Fountainhead first. It's a much better introduction to Objectivist thought, and also a better-written book.
 
Guileless

Guileless

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Stoney Mason said:
Uh hello. Barrack Obama is against the war in Iraq. Therefore Liberals (Michael Moore in this case) are against all wars. Therefore if Liberals like Michael Moore had been around then the civil war wouldn't have been fought. Therefore black people would still be slaves and Barack Obama would be a slave along with Gary Coleman washing cars. Stop pretending that isn't a great piece of funny satire!
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I just read something on this subject in a Christopher Hitchens book review of Marxist historian Perry Anderson's Spectrum: From Right to Left in the World of Ideas.

A few years ago, when we jointly addressed a gathering in New York, (Anderson) startled me by announcing that he thought the Confederacy should have been allowed to secede. His reasoning was elegant enough—slavery was historically doomed in any case; two semi-continental states would have been more natural; American expansionism would have been checked; Lincoln was a bloodthirsty Bismarckian étatiste and megalomaniac—but it was nonetheless remarkable to hear such a direct attack on the thinking and writing of Marx and Engels, who had been 100 percent for Lincoln and the Union and who had identified America as the country of future progress as surely as they had located Russia as the heartland of backwardness and despotism....

...And is it not still more extraordinary that a man will overlook the rights of Bosnians, Kosovars, and Kurds and yet assert the self-determination principle on behalf of the Southern plantocracy?
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So Mr. Anderson and I assume other Marxist historians who think the Southern plantocracy would be a useful cudgel against American imperialism would be quite welcome in the student section at an Ole Miss home football game.
 
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Dan

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Yaweee said:
Huh? Has this guy even paid any attention at all to the right during this campaign cycle? I've lost count of how many times I've heard Obama called the anti-christ, let alone blanket statements from columnists and commentators about liberals being evil.

I'm pretty conservative, but there are better places to attack the left than saying they 'hate America'. This will probably be as unfunny as Postal.
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Plus, he says that and then proceeds to make a film where the right openly slaughters the left.
 
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Xisiqomelir said:
Read The Fountainhead first. It's a much better introduction to Objectivist thought, and also a better-written book.
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Barely.

You don't read Rand for joy. You read her to justify why you hate or love her ideology.
 
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