Alien Earth Open Spoiler Thread

MrTroubleMaker said:
Now there is another season of this
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Excellent use of another Bill Paxton character. 10/10
 
I finished it and I don't think I'll be returning if there's a season 2. It never truly felt like Alien to me. But even with that I would've given it a chance if it nailed all the other things, and I felt it left so much meat on the bone. So many directions it could've gone in and they just never went in any of those directions. So many cool things they could have done with Kirsh, Morrow, Yutani, the eyeball... and they ended it in the lamest and most ho-hum way possible. Some series I think are meant for movies and not TV and this is one of them. Oh well, at least they tried.
 
Absolute and utter shite. That's all it is.

The alien is completely neutered now, it holds no sense of threat whatsoever and they write Wendy to have whatever super-skill is required for whatever scene she's in.
Talk to Alien? Check.
Manipulate all electronic devices? Sure why not!

The marines carry proto-pulse rifles. Which implies Hicks and company went on a mission with antique technology.
Boy-Wankshaft offers a million dollars to anyone who can find and protect him. A million dollars? In 2120? I'm assuming that'd be about the value of a second-hand car if inflation carries on at its usual pace.

Worst of all it looks like its going to be renewed, so people are actually watching this and telling themselves its good. Holy shit, standards have dropped so fucking far.

Since starting to watch this abomination a few weeks ago I've rewatched the first 2 movies again. The difference in story, characterization, performance, music, production, fucking everything, is insane. And this show has a budget 5 times bigger (inflation adjusted) than Aliens in 1986. And now it gets to sit in the same IP with them and gradually fuck it up some more. S2 will go completely over the edge with retcons and member-berries. Believe that!

I will say one positive thing though: I've had a lot of fun here on GAF ripping on this garbage for the last couple of months. Thanks bros, you gave me some genuine LOL moments here! :messenger_tears_of_joy:
I'll see you back here in 2-3 years for season 2 when, thanks to the time gap, I'll barely remember what the fuck happened in the first season!
 
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RCX said:
Boy-Wankshaft offers a million dollars to anyone who can find and protect him. A million dollars? In 2120? I'm assuming that'd be about the value of a second-hand car if inflation carries on at its usual pace.
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The USCSS Nostromo was valued at $42 million just two years after this episode, so I'm guessing they've gone through a deflationary spiral or two.
 
It turned out like a doppelganger. It looked like Alien, but once it started moving and speaking, it was clear something was very wrong. I didn't expect to be getting a superhero show, but that's what the finale points to. Alien and Aliens are so compelling in part because those were down-to-earth, honest-to-god heroes.

Who even is the protagonist/hero in this? Wendy? She intentionally kills people via Xeno who weren't an immediate threat to her. She lost my sympathy with that move. The rest of the kids suck across the board. Morrow and Kirsch are interesting characters but they are both evil in their own ways. Boy Genius is terrible. The brother is is a good guy but not a dynamic force for the story. And the husband & wife scientists ended up likable but they're just side characters.

Seriously, what was the point?
 
Dr.Guru of Peru said:
The USCSS Nostromo was valued at $42 million just two years after this episode, so I'm guessing they've gone through a deflationary spiral or two.
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That's true. I just assumed the writers didn't cleverly create some backstory on the finances of the world. The more likely scenario is they just never watched the movies and made a whole bunch of moronic mistakes because they have no respect for the IP.
 
RCX said:
Boy-Wankshaft offers a million dollars to anyone who can find and protect him. A million dollars? In 2120? I'm assuming that'd be about the value of a second-hand car if inflation carries on at its usual pace.
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Well for reference, the going rate for an entire M-class star freighter is only about 42 million unadjusted dollars.

Minus payload of course.

Edit: Lol, beaten
 
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Mikado said:
Well for reference, the going rate for an entire M-class star freighter is only about 42 million unadjusted dollars.

Minus payload of course.

Edit: Lol, beaten
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which sounded expensive when it was written in 1986.

They should've written it with those figures in mind, but they didn't because they're lazy cunts. They said the androids were worth billions, its just all over the place.
 
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Replace the Xenomorph with anything else and this show wouldn't change

I give it 5/10 overall, it doesn't respect the lore at all and the human synthetics don't respect the universe vibe. The xenomorph would have attacked them on sight like it was shown in every other movie/game/comic
 
Kirsh was the star of the show.
I'm glad he survived.

I don't get why they added the pointless pregnancy storyline for nibs that went nowhere.

They were also priming Curly to betray Wendy at some point but it never happened.

Also Slightly should have been killed off.
I'd rather we get more Isaac story than Slightly.
 
That was, quite possibly, the WORST "season ending" of ANY show I've watched, EVER.

It's so maliciously bad it almost makes me want to burn the stacks of alien movies, comics, books, games, and toys. It has so cucked the xeno that I fear the franchise will NEVER recover. Even Ridley Scott didnt hate the IP as much.
 
zaga said:
It was missing an entire episode shown from the perspective of T. Ocellus. Hope we get one next season.
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Its POV would be headache-inducing when its vision is splintered into eight irises. Imagine if it also accidentally ingested some LSD.

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jason10mm said:
That was, quite possibly, the WORST "season ending" of ANY show I've watched, EVER.

It's so maliciously bad it almost makes me want to burn the stacks of alien movies, comics, books, games, and toys. It has so cucked the xeno that I fear the franchise will NEVER recover. Even Ridley Scott didnt hate the IP as much.
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Game of Thrones is still worse, they spent years building up an unstoppable threat that they resolved in seconds.
 
Phobos Base said:
Game of Thrones is still worse, they spent years building up an unstoppable threat that they resolved in seconds.
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I came in late to the show after having heard about the infamous ending for many years. Lo and behold when I sat down to finally watch it after having binged all seasons and I wasn't disappointed. The only problem was that it was rushed, but it felt like a satisfying conclusing. The episode of the war felt like a movie, incredible production values.

The season ending of A:E didn't feel like an ending. It might just as well have been a mid-season episode. Now a show with excellent season endings was Smallville seasons 1-4. I was always incredibly hyped up for them even if they were cliffhangers.
 
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I just want to say I feel bad for those of you enduring this. I noped out after Prometheus just how I noped out on Star Wars after TFA. You guys are gluttons for punishment
 
A very smart and resourceful woman once stood in front of a board of corporate looking types and with exasperated disbelief uttered the immortal phrase "Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"

For all intents and purposes, Sigourney Weaver might as well have been addressing the writers room for Alien: Earth following the release of all eight episodes, once again demonstrating that it appears the franchise is now seemingly reliant on insanely ridiculous actions being taken by both the characters and the creators themselves.

 
The only conclusion i can come to, other than a near total information disconnect between writers of each episode, is that they had 13 eps of stuff and were told to trim to 8, leading to all these plot points that don't seem to have proper build up.

For example, how in THE HELL does the director of ep 8 let Wendy have her "girl boss" moment by telling her brother "They see YOU as food, not us" when she is IN THE FUCKING ROOM WITH THE HYBRID THAT WAS EATEN BY THE FLIES?!?!?!?

BITCH, YOU FOOD TOO!!!!!

Just bizarre disconnect between what we see on screen each episode and what happens before or after.

Redhead gets zapped, Wendy gets mad at her brother for shooting her and "choosing sides", when that looney bitch is perfectly fine sitting right next to them. Her brother CLEARLY chose life, and guess what, he saved pink hair girl (for the time being) AND redhead chick who was probably 1 pound of trigger pressure away from getting ventilated by 10mm explosive tipped caseless. If that medic guy had ANY balls instead of being a spineless cuck he should have slapped that bitch and given her a big brother talk.

We can talk about the kirsch/morrow fight as well, since when does a meat puppet with a spike arm suddenly get the skull integrity to take synthetic being powered punches? Maybe kirsch didnt get the 500 pound force musculature upgrades like the hybrids, Ash certainly could be beaten by an angry human. But bald synthetic seemed pretty damned tough and he was, presumably, the oldest model Kid K had built.

We can also talk about all the high power wireless antennas they gave Wendy and then just totally forgot about so she could have magic internet powers. Or the higher freq hearing that no one else bothered to make a receiver for. Boy genius was so excited to talk to an alien he COMPLETELY FORGOT TO TALK TO THE ALIEN HE HAS. JFC this show.
 
AJUMP23 said:
You only had 3 months to wait. TV now is silly the wait between seasons.
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This, far and away, is the #1 reason why TV these days, at least streaming shows not on the usual broadcast cycle of 20 eps, MUST be self-contained stories with a resolution at the end of each season. NOBODY has the damned time or patience to revisit the show 2-3 YEARS later when a new season drops, trying to pick up the momentum from the previous season which is now in the distant past.

You telling me that in 2027-2028 ANYONE is gonna care that Wendy has 2 pet xenos and 4 homicidal robots about to face another wave of (probably) incompetent humans that can't shoot straight? That story is DEAD.
 
AJUMP23 said:
You only had 3 months to wait. TV now is silly the wait between seasons.
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And that wait was looooong. I remember waiting for the next season of Smallville after their awesome finales. I would probably have gone crazy had I been forced to wait over a year lol. And that show had very good special fx for its time, even if it wasn't abundant. And very good writing honestly.
 
Trilobit said:
And that wait was looooong. I remember waiting for the next season of Smallville after their awesome finales. I would probably have gone crazy had I been forced to wait over a year lol. And that show had very good special fx for its time, even if it wasn't abundant. And very good writing honestly.
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Kristen Kruek was worth the wait. Too bad they were all in that crazy cult.
 
I don't understand how they failed so badly at telling this story

Strip away the Peter pan/never land references and you lose nothing

Take away the child minds being put into synth bodies aspect - instead have a smaller roster of just "New Synth" models being developed and tested by Prodigy. A Science model, a Engineering model, a Military model and a Personal/Leisure/Pleasure Model for example. They each have different specs, or "powers". We know from current Alien lore that synths have personalities (Ash/Bishop/Cole/David), so they don't have to act like robots, but interesting adult synth roles, they can still be mentored by Kirsh

This instantly gets rid of the worst characters - the kid synths - and the terrible story arc they have. This also gets rid of Joe/Brother character. No Ice Age references, no baseball memories, no having to shoehorn a storyline about Marcy getting to save Joe. Cuts out all of that. Gets rid of the parent scientists who are pointless and incompetent scientists

Kid Genius is still contacted by the saboteur about the Maginot, promising potential alien species for weapon & bio research. That's all the motivation he needs. No Peter pan stuff. We've got evil corps already in the Alien Universe, as well as real life. Do we need anything more than he's evil, he's been promised amazing, new, dangerous potential Alien technology, for any amount of $Money$ to the saboteur. Evil enough that he's happy for the ship to crash down into his city, or even better, directly at his Private Island...doesn't care about loss of life or potentially going to war with Wey-Yu

I would also at this point say that I'd bring the number of new species down from 5 to 3. As well as bringing named characters down, making the 3 remaining alien species more of a threat, more menacing, more interesting, by giving them more to do, rather than spreading the screen time between 5. Instead of 5 eggs, have 20 or 30, and have half the Maginot's crew either facehugged at landing, or the chestbursters already on the loose in the ship and escape into the jungle on the island. The ticks are fine as is, and the T.Ocellus is a major threat to anything biological on the island

Maginot crashes down onto Private Island, Morrow contacts Yutani, fills her in with saboteur story, he becomes infiltration team to potentially recover Aliens or help coordinate the incoming Wey-Yu forces. The crash has caused significant damage to various Prodigy systems including outside communication, satellite cover and intermittent power failures. Satellite cover is important so that the island can't prepare for the incoming Hurricane weather system...

Boom - we now have an atmosphere for the show. Dark, windy, rainy, stormy. A reason for personnel from the island not being able to be evacuated by conventional means, too risky during a major storm, meaning lots of un-named human fodder for the Xenos to kill in weird and wonderful ways. Xenos hiding from cover in the dark, where they belong, not out in the sun on the beach. Make them scary again

On the outside world, Wey-Yu still contact Prodigy wanting their spaceship and stuff back, willing to pay for damage, want back the tech on board, Prodigy tell them to go fuck themselves. This allows Wey-Yu to start a Corpo War (in the mediation saying they go against the 5, not giving back the ship or the tech) that leads to a sanctioned full invasion of the island towards the end of series, and if the island is by that time consumed by Aliens can be nuked from orbit, set to full self destruct to cover Prodigy/Alien tracks, but now have knowledge of what the Xenos are worth, hence them now sending an unsuspecting, "cheap" human sacrifice back to LV 426 to pick up another leading into Alien....Prodigy is legally wiped out/taken over/bought out by Wey-Yu as reparations for damage incurred by Prodigy, thats why they don't appear in future films

So we've got an island full of security being slowly whittled away by 4/5/6 Xeno's - plenty of action between them and various human sacrifices, some of the xenos could be killed by the synths but the acid blood is a way to keep the synth numbes down and kill off those characters if needed, with the eggs and facehuggers provding more Xeno numbers throught the series and eventually becoming overwhelming, the ticks causing havoc inside the ship wreckage - body horror shocks with them against unsuspecting humans, and the Ocellus getting smarter and more lethal with each creature/human it overpowers, slowly making its way, under the storm cover and darkness towards the main Prodigy base...show each attack, maybe the cat or a mouse to get out undetected from the Maginot, going onto the island species, snakes, crocodiles, small primates? Being able to move quickly, silently, in the jungle until it gets to attack a human host and then we get to see what its truly capable of



Im no writer, but I think that sounds much more plausible, cut the cost of the city scenes, cut the cost of half the named characters, have an island that's misbehaving because of the crash, a dark, stormy atmosphere, an outline of where the story is going and how it ends, and leads into Alien

No children
No wendy character or stupid superpowers
No Joe character
No dumbed down, unscary pet Xeno's
No stupid father/Peter pan back story for boy genius
No incompetent scientist characters
No meme IceAge or baseball scenes
No season 2
 
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FatallyYours said:
I don't understand how they failed so badly at telling this story

Strip away the Peter pan/never land references and you lose nothing............
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See, what you propose is an ACTUAL ALIEN STORY, because, you, unlike Noah, actually LIKES ALIEN and has faith that an ALIEN show could stand on it's own without being drenched in literary references to play to the critics and give the illusion you are making fine art instead of pulp entertainment,

Granted, in 2018 when Noah was apparently hired on by Fox to develop this thing, maybe there was little confidence that a straight Alien story could sell, after AvP and Terminator and Predator stuff stumbled I can sorta see where they would be reluctant. But Romulus and Prey clearly show that fans do like sci-fi horror/action played straight and honest when it is done well.
 
jason10mm said:
This, far and away, is the #1 reason why TV these days, at least streaming shows not on the usual broadcast cycle of 20 eps, MUST be self-contained stories with a resolution at the end of each season.
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Also, streaming needs to go back to the good old days of dropping an entire season at once. The return to the broadcast era, "one episode a week" is bullshit.
Trilobit said:
I remember waiting for the next season of Smallville after their awesome finales. I would probably have gone crazy had I been forced to wait over a year lol.
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The wait between the first and 2nd parts of the last season of Breaking Bad was around a year and it was terrible.
Trilobit said:
The sex cult stuff was insane to learn about.
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The NXIVM stuff goes deep, but after watching both seasons of The Vow on HBO, I don't feel sorry for one single person who was involved in the cult. The writing was on the wall from the start that something just wasn't right.
 
Poppinfresh said:
Also, streaming needs to go back to the good old days of dropping an entire season at once. The return to the broadcast era, "one episode a week" is bullshit.
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I kinda disagree, the weekly drops allow for more discussion/ranting/raving. If I binged this show over a weekend then we never would have bitched about it as much :P

I had several weekly drop shows going (Dexter, Star Trek, this one) recently and it was kinda nice to be able to look forward to the release and with several shows going that kept my week full.

BUT, if we are going back to weekly drops, they gotta start writing and filming the shows with this in mind, so relevant BRIEF flashbacks when necessary, no looooooong drawn out storylines it takes 2 months to see resolve. They also need to write proper commercial breaks so we don't get a damn ad dropped right in the middle of an action scene.
 
Trilobit said:
The blonde was my favourite, but Kruek was gorgeous. The sex cult stuff was insane to learn about. I'm happy that Welling and Rosenbaum were normal at least. :messenger_hushed:
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And don't forget the guy that played Pete got arrested for being a drug dealer. So 2 normal cast members the rest crazy.
 
FatallyYours said:
Im no writer, but I think that sounds much more plausible, cut the cost of the city scenes, cut the cost of half the named characters, have an island that's misbehaving because of the crash, a dark, stormy atmosphere, an outline of where the story is going and how it ends, and leads into Alien
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You seem like a lot more of a writer than the gargantuan dickwads they hired to write this abomination. Your idea is competent, well structured and plausible. And that's why you would never be allowed to work in Hollywood!
 
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