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Alien Signal Found.....possibly.
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Woah. Well, let's not jump to the exciting conclusion that it's aliens. But still, if it was, EVERYTHING would change. They should have every radio telescope trained on that area till they figure out what the signal is.
I really need to fire up Seti@Home again.
edit - oh, and if findings are inconclusive (i.e. after significant study, they're not sure, those planet-hunting astronomers should start training their eyes on that particular area of the sky).
I really need to fire up Seti@Home again.
edit - oh, and if findings are inconclusive (i.e. after significant study, they're not sure, those planet-hunting astronomers should start training their eyes on that particular area of the sky).
beerbelly said:
Well, a lot of them..
..but then, they would survive and go on. Certain teachings of many religions have been debunked over the ages by science, but they've adapted and evolved around the truth. Though no teaching is more fundamental to some religions (well Christianity, anyway) than that teaching that we're special, god's only and chosen people etc.
A Seti Institute guy was apparently on a radio program talking about this, and apparently he said that the reporter on the New Scientist story was blowing the information out of proportion.
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996341 << link to original story (the site is going up and down like a yoyo)
edit: slightly more info/speculation here: http://www.itv.com/news/index_697270.html
here's the most informative article on this news:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1028302004
Some quotes:
further edit - actually, the new scientist article is the best one - has all the above info plus more. I couldn't read it until now (their server is either very busy, or very dodgy)
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996341 << link to original story (the site is going up and down like a yoyo)
edit: slightly more info/speculation here: http://www.itv.com/news/index_697270.html
here's the most informative article on this news:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1028302004
Some quotes:
further edit - actually, the new scientist article is the best one - has all the above info plus more. I couldn't read it until now (their server is either very busy, or very dodgy)
JoshuaJSlone
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Allow me to use this opportunity to chide everyone who ditched SETI@home's Team SETI Age.
Probably not. To the people who really believed, there'd be a workaround. I asked my brother something like that once, and his answer was something like "Possibly there could be other life in the universe, but it's irrelevant to people on Earth, so there was no need to put any reference to it in the Bible."beerbelly said:
You really seem to know your stuff about this subject from the multiple times you've mentioned related things on this board. As far as the Eisenhower thing, though, I've pretty much only read as far as when he was supposedly there and the cover story they used. Care to clarify that statement a bit for our benefit?ManaByte said:
ManaByte
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JoshuaJSlone said:
Yea, they used a dentist appointment as a cover story.
Basically in 1954 Eisenhower was taken to Edwards AFB (it was called Muroc Test Center else back then) for a meeting and an exchange of information. Now, this is after Roswell and after a few encounters between the government and the Greys and some big revelations that are tied to the Grand Deception. Eisenhower met with one of the 18 known species of Aliens, one of the "good" races that resemble tall albino Nordics, who told Eisenhower that they could rid us of our trouble with the Greys (ending the abductions and mutilations), but they offered no technology in the deal and Eisenhower told them to get lost.
Instead of that a deal was struck with the Greys where they could abduct a certain number of people (as long as they provided a list to the government) in exchange for some technology. Well, the deal went sour. The Greys were abducting far more people than they let on, the the technology wasn't anywhere near what was bargained for. They made the wrong deal from what they have since learned.
Close Encounters of the Third Kind is based on these exhanges of information in the 1950's.
The "Grand Deception" is that apparently the human race is the product of experimentation by some unknown alien race that we haven't encountered yet. The Greys refer to us a "containers". The Greys told Eisenhower that they created our religions and showed him a holographic recording of the death of Christ. IMMEDIATELY after this meeting, Eisenhower was so terrified that he placed "I God We Trust" on the US currency and added "Under God" to the pledge.
There's a whole bunch more to it than that, but that's the basics of the Eisenhower situation. Every President up to Kennedy knew the details. After Kennedy was killed it was made "need to know" information. Bush 1.0 knows as he was the head of the CIA and thus a member of MJ-12, and Nixon knew. But after that the President is not told anything unless he needs to know. Some think Clinton knows something due to a close call in the mid-90's.
enjoy bell woods
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And considering maybe .2% of the population complains about being abducted by aliens, why would any president be concerned with such crazy thoughts? Nice story...
BigJonsson
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*plays x-files music*
Patrick Klepek
furiously molesting tim burton
stuff like manabyte's story is too cool to be true 
ManaByte
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Grand Deception:
http://www.greatdreams.com/John-Lear.htm
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/grandesc.html
The Dulce base:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/dulce.html
http://www.greatdreams.com/John-Lear.htm
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/grandesc.html
The Dulce base:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/dulce.html
Doom_Bringer
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post the links here
Cauliflower of Love
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It's all marketing for the new season of Smallville people!
DeEJaYMiND
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Whoaa.. thanks for the links ManaByte
UltimateMarioMan
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*Watches Independence Day*
Error Macro
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FnordChan said:
HAHA
JoshuaJSlone
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Given that any of this would be factual, I doubt this is the case. However, if you want the run of a neighborhood you probably only need to deal with the biggest guys.Vgamer said:
Also, I was going to post a link to SETI Age earlier, but it wasn't working. Is now.
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_163203.html
Some questions/thoughts:
- I know we're listening, but are we also sending out deliberate, high-powered signals ourselves, or are we just relying on our everyday radio transmissions here on earth to attract attention?
- What makes us sure an intelligent alien civilisation would use radio? Perhaps they're using some other universal phenomenon (that we know or don't know of) in the same way we use radio..they could be searching for us based on that phenomenon while we search on radio, making us completely miss each other
- I know we're listening, but are we also sending out deliberate, high-powered signals ourselves, or are we just relying on our everyday radio transmissions here on earth to attract attention?
- What makes us sure an intelligent alien civilisation would use radio? Perhaps they're using some other universal phenomenon (that we know or don't know of) in the same way we use radio..they could be searching for us based on that phenomenon while we search on radio, making us completely miss each other
gofreak said:- What makes us sure an intelligent alien civilisation would use radio? Perhaps they're using some other universal phenomenon (that we know or don't know of) in the same way we use radio..they could be searching for us based on that phenomenon while we search on radio, making us completely miss each other
This is all very well thought out. There is a reason we use radio and the frequencies we do. I will go into more detail later, but I got to go now.
EDIT: from the link, here is a hint
JoshuaJSlone
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I don't know of anything deliberate. I think the basic argument goes that it's easier to receive than send, so that's what we do.gofreak said:
Complete possibility. However, given that there are two civlizations using major communications, there are probably many many more, so odds are you'd get a match. Though the time/location factors would still make missing each other easy.- What makes us sure an intelligent alien civilisation would use radio? Perhaps they're using some other universal phenomenon (that we know or don't know of) in the same way we use radio..they could be searching for us based on that phenomenon while we search on radio, making us completely miss each other
Wow this is really cool. I hope its something significant.
As for the religion thing, why would it debunk any religion? The Quran repeats many many times that God is the Lord of the Worlds. The universe wasn't created for humans, it never says so anyways. Even if there were other intelligent life forms in the universe, why God mention them to humans? Theyre billions of miles away.
As for the religion thing, why would it debunk any religion? The Quran repeats many many times that God is the Lord of the Worlds. The universe wasn't created for humans, it never says so anyways. Even if there were other intelligent life forms in the universe, why God mention them to humans? Theyre billions of miles away.
JoshuaJSlone said:
We have been sending signals since we acheived radio capability, though it is not focused in a manner that would be effective. Also we have sent specific physical messages out with things like Voyager. Not anything huge but it is a start.
It takes a lot of energy to send a message into space at a suitable power, then there is the matter of where to point it
Phoenix
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gofreak said:- What makes us sure an intelligent alien civilisation would use radio? Perhaps they're using some other universal phenomenon (that we know or don't know of) in the same way we use radio..they could be searching for us based on that phenomenon while we search on radio, making us completely miss each other
The use of radio is perhaps one of the worse ways to intentionally try to signal other intelligent species. Radio is subject to a wide variety of distortions and easily gets lost in the noise of all of the other radio signals produced by everything else in the known universe. The thought that a species would use radio is again based on the firm, yet stupid, assumption that an intelligent species would follow our evolutionary path. If I'm an insectoid that communicated through scent or pheremones, I don't need radio. Even if I did use radio perhaps my species already accepts that there is other life out there (which makes them smarter than us) and they are going out of their way to make sure no one finds them... and perhaps eats them.
There is one constant that is better at determining both whether life is likely to exist on a world and how advanced that life is... and it makes it excruciatingly obvious to detect. All manner of beings that we can imagine would be required to do 2 things - give of waste gasses and give off heat. The 'give off heat' part comes both from the beings themselves and from the industry, activity, etc. that they are using. The more energy a species uses (the more advanced it is by our definition), the more the planet glows with heat energy. It is discussed quite often that we may be looking for a signal in the wrong manner. Any species that WANTS to be found isn't going to rely on a medium that is so easily corrupted, it slow, and looses energy over distance. Assuming that they want to talk to folks, the best thing for them to do is send out concentrated beams of energy (likely light or similar). This will travel faster across the void, arrive faster, and has enough bandwidth to account for any warping of the signal in transit.
i think that assuming that there are alien civilizations out there, the main difficulty in our discovering and communicating with any is the size of the universe and the life span of any given civilization. i read this awhile ago (paraphrased here):
if there was a 1 in 100 chance of an alien civilization existing and wanting to communicate with other civilizations and the average life span of an advanced civilization was 1000 years, there would be 100 intelligent civilizations in the galaxy, but the closest civilizations would be 10 thousand light years away, which would make any communication impossible.
but if the average lifetime of a civilization was 10^7 years, there would be 10^6 advanced civilizations (based on previous assumptions) in the galaxy, which would make the closest ones 300 light years away. that would allow some communication, but even then it would be slow as hell.
if there was a 1 in 100 chance of an alien civilization existing and wanting to communicate with other civilizations and the average life span of an advanced civilization was 1000 years, there would be 100 intelligent civilizations in the galaxy, but the closest civilizations would be 10 thousand light years away, which would make any communication impossible.
but if the average lifetime of a civilization was 10^7 years, there would be 10^6 advanced civilizations (based on previous assumptions) in the galaxy, which would make the closest ones 300 light years away. that would allow some communication, but even then it would be slow as hell.
Phoenix
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yoshifumi said:
The one problem with that assumption is that it assumes that they are static earth style civilizations - single communication source per civilization. If, however, they have begun travelling into space they would most likely have more than one transmission source - that being their articificial satellites, starships, and probes that might be out looking for other stuff. As such you should have a crap load of activity in that region of space. You shouldn't be getting just 'one' signal - but a whole lot of them.
LinesInTheSand
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ManaByte said:
Wow. You are insane...
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