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[Badlucktroll]

What if it's not Aliens but ghosts all this time?
Would this be.... a better or worst outcome?

I kinda think ghosts would be more exciting

There is a theory that the loch ness monster is actually the ghost of a dinosaur. (which could explain why they don’t see it with radar mapping)

 

[INC]

There is a theory that the loch ness monster is actually the ghost of a dinosaur. (which could explain why they don’t see it with radar mapping)

I'd go with, what we're seeing is actually a parallel dimension leaking into ours

As a theory of course, im open to all theories

 

[INC]

Thoughts

 

[nush]

Me: Watches hollow moon documentary.

Moonfall wasn't just pure Sci-Fi?

 

[jufonuk]

What happened to open minds radio ? Did the presenter leave ? It just stops in October.

 

[IDKFA]

Thoughts

It's really interesting. I've been looking at a lot of archive data of UFO reports from around the world. What I found most interesting that a lot of eye witness accounts (both civilian and military) all have very similar characteristics, such as shape of the craft, speed and in all cases these things are silent. I think the evidence these things are incontrovertible, but what they are is up for debate. The shape in the video you posted matches a lot of shapes of sightings in Scotland and North England.

In terms of the story in your video, that's not something I've looked into. I do have some questions about it you're able to answer?

That supposedly original photo they brought up? Has that photo really been verified as a real, untouched photo? If so I need evidence of that. It looks too good be to be true. That's the holy grail of UFO photos if it's real.

 

[Grildon Tundy]

It's really interesting. I've been looking at a lot of archive data of UFO reports from around the world. What I found most interesting that a lot of eye witness accounts (both civilian and military) all have very similar characteristics, such as shape of the craft, speed and in all cases these things are silent. I think the evidence these things are incontrovertible, but what they are is up for debate. The shape in the video you posted matches a lot of shapes of sightings in Scotland and North England.

In terms of the story in your video, that's not something I've looked into. I do have some questions about it you're able to answer?

That supposedly original photo they brought up? Has that photo really been verified as a real, untouched photo? If so I need evidence of that. It looks too good be to be true. That's the holy grail of UFO photos if it's real.

I'm confused, they say the UFO was sitting motionless for the photo and then shot straight up at high speed. Also that the jet was trailing it. So for the photo, the jet happened to be very near it in a fly-by? Why isn't it blurred in the photo?


Like Mulder, I Want To Believe but very skeptical

 

[INC]

It's really interesting. I've been looking at a lot of archive data of UFO reports from around the world. What I found most interesting that a lot of eye witness accounts (both civilian and military) all have very similar characteristics, such as shape of the craft, speed and in all cases these things are silent. I think the evidence these things are incontrovertible, but what they are is up for debate. The shape in the video you posted matches a lot of shapes of sightings in Scotland and North England.

In terms of the story in your video, that's not something I've looked into. I do have some questions about it you're able to answer?

That supposedly original photo they brought up? Has that photo really been verified as a real, untouched photo? If so I need evidence of that. It looks too good be to be true. That's the holy grail of UFO photos if it's real.

I know no more than video posted unfortunately

 

[IDKFA]

Did a bit of digging.

There was a FoI request (freedom of information) to the British National Archives in 2021. It doesn't say much, but interestingly it says that contrary to that video, the negatives were actually given back to the Daily Record. Apparently, the NA don't have any photos in their files.

1990 Calvine UFO incident - Freedom of Information

Request In October, The Scottish Sun reported that MoD files relating to the August 1990 Calvine UFO incident, which should have been released as per the “30 year rule”, were blocked for release by the Ministry of Defence until 2072...

www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

 

[INC]

I'm confused, they say the UFO was sitting motionless for the photo and then shot straight up at high speed. Also that the jet was trailing it. So for the photo, the jet happened to be very near it in a fly-by? Why isn't it blurred in the photo?


Like Mulder, I Want To Believe but very skeptical

The jet is blurred tho, look at the wing, looks to be circling behind the uap/object

The uap/object isn't blurred because its stationary

So what's describe by withness seems to match up with the photo

If that photo is even real, which it appears to be, due to be verified, verified by who is the next question.

 

[Chronicle]

I 100% agree, hence with the rendlesham recordings i posted, people still won't believe it, despite him saying there is a ufo hovering above the base, with a beam of light hitting the floor, and people are not interested. But at the same time nonsensical explanations are no more convincing to the witness, than the sighting is to the skeptic.

That doesn't mean shit! Show not tell. Someone saying there is a ufo does not make it proof nor believable. That incident is just lights in a forest.

 

[INC]

That doesn't mean shit! Show not tell. Someone saying there is a ufo does not make it proof nor believable. That incident is just lights in a forest.

I tend to agree, but these are trained soldiers, use to identifying known threats, and guarding nuclear materials. Does this make their statement proof.....no, but does adds credibility, but not proof......

 

[Nitty_Grimes]

What gets me is the jet looks like a Harrier so wondering what the emphasis on the video is there were none of these in the vicinity when that appears to be one?

 

[nush]

and in all cases these things are silent.

Incorrect, low electrical sounding like hum is heard from some of them, particularly when up closer.

 

[INC]

What gets me is the jet looks like a Harrier so wondering what the emphasis on the video is there were none of these in the vicinity when that appears to be one?

Because they're VTOL, so I think they're trying to say, because the UAP was observed flying directly up, it couldn't be a harrier....

To me the jet does look like a harrier tho

 

[ultrazilla]

I'm confused, they say the UFO was sitting motionless for the photo and then shot straight up at high speed. Also that the jet was trailing it. So for the photo, the jet happened to be very near it in a fly-by? Why isn't it blurred in the photo?


Like Mulder, I Want To Believe but very skeptical

That's been debunked as fake.

 

[Grildon Tundy]

That's been debunked as fake.

 

[INC]

That's been debunked as fake.

Can I see the receipts

 

[ultrazilla]

Can I see the receipts

Hold on. Will edit when I find it.

Edit:

Former Govt UFO boss says he saw photos of Scots sighting - and he was shocked

THE Ministry of Defence has sparked anger from investigators after stalling the release of ‘the best photographs ever taken of a UFO’. The top secret colour photographs, said to show a …

www.thescottishsun.co.uk

The "Calvine Incident". The ufo pic is a mock up of a photo that's apparently locked up for another 48 years.

So in other words, it was made based on the description of the "bombshell" ufo picture that nobody can see.

 

[INC]

Hold on. Will edit when I find it.

Edit:

Former Govt UFO boss says he saw photos of Scots sighting - and he was shocked

THE Ministry of Defence has sparked anger from investigators after stalling the release of ‘the best photographs ever taken of a UFO’. The top secret colour photographs, said to show a …

www.thescottishsun.co.uk

The "Calvine Incident". The ufo pic is a mock up of a photo that's apparently locked up for another 48 years.

So in other words, it was made based on the description of the "bombshell" ufo picture that nobody can see.

Nice, cheers

 

[nush]

Graham Hancock has a series on Netflix now, not UFO's but ancient advanced civilization history. So UFO adjacent if your the ancient aliens type.

 

[Crayon]

David Icke is a national treasure!

Though I did always worry in the back of my mind if the reptilians were supposed to be the jews....

Edit: I keep thinking of David Icke and Kanye hanging out now. Both banned in multiple countries. Living in a plane like snake and otacon.

 

[6502]

Graham Hancock has a series on Netflix now, not UFO's but ancient advanced civilization history. So UFO adjacent if your the ancient aliens type.

Watched this last night.

It is really the sensible 2% of ancient aliens (questioning timelines) with the same spectacular scenery.

I am pretty convinced the ideas put forward on this are right.

There was a flood, either caused by or coinciding with earth being hit by comets.

Some civilisations were totally drowned in the flood and rising sea levels , some on the high ground survived. Over time teachers left the surviving "advanced" civilisations as missionaries to teach the art of civilisation to the remnants of mankind (maths, astrology, agriculture).

 

[nush]

Watched this last night.

It is really the sensible 2% of ancient aliens (questioning timelines) with the same spectacular scenery.

I am pretty convinced the ideas put forward on this are right.

There was a flood, either caused by or coinciding with earth being hit by comets.

Some civilisations were totally drowned in the flood and rising sea levels , some on the high ground survived. Over time teachers left the surviving "advanced" civilisations as missionaries to teach the art civilisation to the remnants of mankind (maths, astrology, agriculture).

It's the astrology in the architecture that really seals the deal that there really was at some level global communication between the continents. No way did all those cultures come up with that by themselves. The flood is true and there's evidence of it, and what I didn't know is so many cultures have a flood story. It's not just Noah.

 

[jufonuk]

Watched this last night.

It is really the sensible 2% of ancient aliens (questioning timelines) with the same spectacular scenery.

I am pretty convinced the ideas put forward on this are right.

There was a flood, either caused by or coinciding with earth being hit by comets.

Some civilisations were totally drowned in the flood and rising sea levels , some on the high ground survived. Over time teachers left the surviving "advanced" civilisations as missionaries to teach the art of civilisation to the remnants of mankind (maths, astrology, agriculture).

oh yeah?
explina Logan and Jake paul? how did they let this happen if they were so advanced?

 

[nush]

oh yeah?
explina Logan and Jake paul? how did they let this happen if they were so advanced?

When you have a society that allows dumb shits from being eaten by bears, they'll continue to be dumb shits.

 

[jufonuk]

When you have a society that allows dumb shits from being eaten by bears, they'll continue to be dumb shits.

but i want sex robots now dammit!!!

 

[sw0mp_d0nk3y]

 

[Bragr]

No way did all those cultures come up with that by themselves.

Why?

 

[nush]

Why?

Watch the show.

 

[Bragr]

Watch the show.

I haven't watched the show but I listened to plenty of Graham Hancock, and it makes sense to me that old civilizations were fascinated by the sky. It makes less sense they were connected and shared technology.

 

[nush]

I haven't watched the show but I listened to plenty of Graham Hancock, and it makes sense to me that old civilizations were fascinated by the sky. It makes less sense they were connected and shared technology.

The architecture style, the construction methods and how spaces on those buildings followed the star systems, so they were sharing knowledge before the great reset that current academics refuse to acknowledge. If you get a chance to watch it it's really intersting and he visits all the sites he talks about.

 

[6502]

I haven't watched the show but I listened to plenty of Graham Hancock, and it makes sense to me that old civilizations were fascinated by the sky. It makes less sense they were connected and shared technology.

Many have legends of travellers arriving and teaching farming, building etc..
Then there are records of trade etc

I think we were comparably connected as a species through travel and trade 10,000 years ago as we were 2000 years ago.

 

[Bragr]

The architecture style, the construction methods and how spaces on those buildings followed the star systems, so they were sharing knowledge before the great reset that current academics refuse to acknowledge. If you get a chance to watch it it's really intersting and he visits all the sites he talks about.

Using similar construction methods and having similar architecture does not mean they shared knowledge. Considering they lived under the open sky, it's completely normal they built structures after the stars. Even though I have not seen the show, I know enough about Graham and the things he says, he's been saying the same stuff for ages now. It's fun and interesting, and I don't mind it, but how he connects all this to Atlantis and how he uses Plato as a source, is hard to take seriously.

 

[Bragr]

Many have legends of travellers arriving and teaching farming, building etc..
Then there are records of trade etc

I think we were comparably connected as a species through travel and trade 10,000 years ago as we were 2000 years ago.

There are legends about all sorts of things. He's picking out a tiny fraction of all the legends. You can go through every mythology known to man and handpick a few lines here and there about travelers and trade, you can make it seem special and interesting, but if you put it into the context of everything the mythology states, it holds very little meaning.

 

[INC]

There are legends about all sorts of things. He's picking out a tiny fraction of all the legends. You can go through every mythology known to man and handpick a few lines here and there about travelers and trade, you can make it seem special and interesting, but if you put it into the context of everything the mythology states, it holds very little meaning.

Sounds just like every religious book, ever written

 

[crazepharmacist]

Hold on. Will edit when I find it.

Edit:

http://[URL]https://www.thescottish...g-cavine-scotland-aliens-ministry-of-defence/

[/URL]

The "Calvine Incident". The ufo pic is a mock up of a photo that's apparently locked up for another 48 years.

So in other words, it was made based on the description of the "bombshell" ufo picture that nobody can see.

Is it locked up? I did a quick Google search and it came up that the photo was released recently. Here it is, supposedly.

 

[INC]

Is it locked up? I did a quick Google search and it came up that the photo was released recently. Here it is, supposedly.

That's the photo copy of the original.

The original is in the video above (colour version)

 

[Romulus]

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

"Aliens" AKA extra terrestrial ( extra terra = land) could mean something fundamentally different when entertaining the moon map hypothesis.

Especially if contact beyond our current prison (ice wall) has been going on for eons which it's something I myself entertain.

So many questions and even less answers.

If one entertains this greater reality of rearcating on a crater earth being a small part of a much much bigger earth all these hypothesis and these visitations err on a more explainable side.

Only when taking into consideration the extreme impact of said moonmap hypothesis the psychological breakdown that will occur and thus would become common knowledge it'll manifest something most of us can't handle on it's concept alone.

Let alone the false narrative we've been feed.

 

[INC]

Always liked this old video, don't look like plane, can't image a rocket bouncing like this, cgi in 1996 wasn't really this good for normal/amateur video editors......so......test craft.

Regardless a pretty cool video

 

[DragoonKain]

The new Unsolved Mysteries season is out on Netflix and they often have UFO stories. Almost all the time I find them dumb and explainable. Like some old man in the middle of nowhere saw bright lights and decided it was aliens. But this was one of the few ones I found very interesting. I've never heard of this incident before, but it has a Wikipedia page. It was 1994 in Michigan. Hundreds of people called 911 in the same night reporting seeing the same thing. Bright lights in a swirl shaped pattern moving apart and expanding in the sky. And the objects were a smooth finish. And they were shooting apart and then grouping back together. 911 got so many calls, they contacted the local radar station and at first he laughed it off and then when he looked on the radar he's like "What in the fuck is this? I've never seen anything like it." And using his expertise he was able to rule out pretty much every other explainable thing it could be. He said it moved in ways no weather phenomenon or man made craft could move. And he estimated that at times it moved over 72,000 mph. And there were a bunch of them moving in distinct patterns and going toward the area in Lake Michigan that wasn't covered in ice, because this was happening in November.

They played the audio from a bunch of the 911 calls and also the conversation between the radar guy and the 911 dispatcher. It was interesting to say the least.

 

[noonjam]

 

[Romulus]

The new Unsolved Mysteries season is out on Netflix and they often have UFO stories. Almost all the time I find them dumb and explainable. Like some old man in the middle of nowhere saw bright lights and decided it was aliens. But this was one of the few ones I found very interesting. I've never heard of this incident before, but it has a Wikipedia page. It was 1994 in Michigan. Hundreds of people called 911 in the same night reporting seeing the same thing. Bright lights in a swirl shaped pattern moving apart and expanding in the sky. And the objects were a smooth finish. And they were shooting apart and then grouping back together. 911 got so many calls, they contacted the local radar station and at first he laughed it off and then when he looked on the radar he's like "What in the fuck is this? I've never seen anything like it." And using his expertise he was able to rule out pretty much every other explainable thing it could be. He said it moved in ways no weather phenomenon or man made craft could move. And he estimated that at times it moved over 72,000 mph. And there were a bunch of them moving in distinct patterns and going toward the area in Lake Michigan that wasn't covered in ice, because this was happening in November.

They played the audio from a bunch of the 911 calls and also the conversation between the radar guy and the 911 dispatcher. It was interesting to say the least.

72,000mph drones in 1994

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

Ahh UFO's. Simpler times.

 

[Razvedka]

Me: Watches hollow moon documentary.

Moonfall wasn't just pure Sci-Fi?

Documentary?

 

[nush]

Documentary?

Alien Moon

Alien Moon (Video 2019) ⭐ 4.2 | Documentary

1h 10m

www.imdb.com

 

[ultrazilla]

Is it locked up? I did a quick Google search and it came up that the photo was released recently. Here it is, supposedly.

this photo is a recreation of the supposed "real one" that's not locked up for over 60 years

 

[crazepharmacist]

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