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Aliens and UFOs
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MMaRsu
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Im sure I didnt just stumble onto this but I was google searching for UFO sightings and came across this link from the UK Government?
It lists UFO sightings from 1997
WTF??!?!?!
It lists UFO sightings from 1997
WTF??!?!?!
AcrosstheSea
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Theres so many times people say something on era's thread about this that I wish I could respond but alas I don't have an account there. People really don't understand the importance of what Grusch is saying. They act like he's just chilling at a water fountain and someone just told him things. There's first hand witnesses and documents regarding it. It's not just some hearsay. The sooner we can move on from that very uninformed talking point the better.
Also they keep harping about him talking about them possibly being interdimensional. Yeah that's why he's saying he doesn't want to call them ET because they need to keep options open. That's not a red flag that's being smart. We don't know. apparently a lot of things associated with them are very unexplainable and it's that fact that people think maybe there is more to them than we think. It's why they changed the name to Unidentified ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA.
Also they keep harping about him talking about them possibly being interdimensional. Yeah that's why he's saying he doesn't want to call them ET because they need to keep options open. That's not a red flag that's being smart. We don't know. apparently a lot of things associated with them are very unexplainable and it's that fact that people think maybe there is more to them than we think. It's why they changed the name to Unidentified ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA.
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Mr1999
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He definitely double downed, so I will give him credit for that. The problem I have is not Grusch, its the people who surround him, basically To The Stars Academy, and the likes of Tom DeLonge. I don't trust them not because they believe in UFOS or UAP's, or whatever, the problem I have is they try to tie almost everything that falls on their lap to UFO's, I remember images they had shown on their website years ago of a supposed sighting, it turned out to be a party balloon and members of metabunk found the same exact balloon, it was undeniable.
Then the whole thing about metamaterials which is likely just industrial slag and then you have the louver ordeal, just on and on and on. Not saying I'm against believing in UFO's, I just want proof that holds up. It's like what Avi Loeb said about senators who were opposed to gays only to come out of the closet themself months later, If there is proof that holds up under scrutiny I will believe it fully.
Then the whole thing about metamaterials which is likely just industrial slag and then you have the louver ordeal, just on and on and on. Not saying I'm against believing in UFO's, I just want proof that holds up. It's like what Avi Loeb said about senators who were opposed to gays only to come out of the closet themself months later, If there is proof that holds up under scrutiny I will believe it fully.
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AcrosstheSea
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This is totally fair. My argument would be that yes they are too gung ho but if this stuff is true they've been claiming it for years particularly George Knapp.
Now, I don't think they are trying to trick anybody. I do believe they think this stuff is absolutely true but the truth is if they think that they want to be known as the people who helped expose the greatest cover up and story in history to the public. Which is why you see them everywhere.
I am with you that I kinda wish they would take a step back. It only helps skeptics by trying to claim they are not credible impartial people.
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Fess
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Sounds like we’re living the Assassin’s Creed plot with the Isu. Cool means we might get to try The Animus soon!
Bartski
Gold Member
I'd be surprised they haven't realized it's an artifact of evolution thousands of years back in their development.
You mean this statement? Not sure how they'd reconcile it with all their bronze age fairy tales from genesis to mother Mary. But then considering how many people still read those as history books, not sure if they'd feel like they need to.
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ÆMNE22A!C
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Richard Dolan is among the world’s leading UFO researchers, historians, and publishers. He has written several great books in the UFO field including:
- UFOs and the National Security State Vol. 1 & 2
- A.D. After Disclosure
- The Alien Agendas: A Speculative Analysis of Those Visiting Earth
- UFOs for the 21st Century Mind (Newly re-released and expanded edition.)
AcrosstheSea
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I think assuming this alien species is real and been around for millions of years RELIGION might not be a thing rather than fact of whatever life is.
Like let me put it this way. We have a limited understanding of the universe despite feeling like we know a lot. They might have cracked the code....so their beliefs may just be reality. What if there is a conscious plain of existence which for someone who is religious would probably have depicted it as heaven or some spiritual plain. It's not about belief anymore it's about science and something they've proven. Maybe there is absolutely nothing more to this universe and same but in reverse. The reality is people shouldn't be so dismissive of the reality that we may just not know and they might.
Maybe the religions were created by them to keep people in check and its derived from some form of truth? Maybe we are in a simulation with a programmer having a ton of fun right now. Who knows.
Like let me put it this way. We have a limited understanding of the universe despite feeling like we know a lot. They might have cracked the code....so their beliefs may just be reality. What if there is a conscious plain of existence which for someone who is religious would probably have depicted it as heaven or some spiritual plain. It's not about belief anymore it's about science and something they've proven. Maybe there is absolutely nothing more to this universe and same but in reverse. The reality is people shouldn't be so dismissive of the reality that we may just not know and they might.
Maybe the religions were created by them to keep people in check and its derived from some form of truth? Maybe we are in a simulation with a programmer having a ton of fun right now. Who knows.
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AcrosstheSea
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Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAP) Security Classification Guide, ID#04-030, Naval Intelligence Activity - The Black Vault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39aJdmDVTHA This is the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAP) Security Classification Guide, ID#04-030, Naval Intelligence Activity, released via FOIA Case DON-NAVY-2022-000883 to The Black Vault. "This classification guide is issued for the purpose of identifying...
www.theblackvault.com
Holy hell. Hahahaha
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AcrosstheSea
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This is what worries me. That they hide this shit. The thing is though like Ross said.... You can't put this back into the box. David Grusch took the heat so others can come forward. If enough people keep popping up and providing their evidence...... If there's smoke theres fire.
Wheeljack539
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Depends on leakers in those hearings. If legit and where they are located in his debriefings should they be leaked they'll haul ass out of there to another black site.
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ÆMNE22A!C
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This semi anonymous well spoken person with quite the resume gave his analysis/opinion regarding your very comment. It's in the first half hour. Just sharing.
"The Ethical Skeptic has a background in systems engineering and data analytics. He collected graduate and undergraduate degrees in engineering, business, finance, and ethics from the number one and number four ranked universities in the US for their respective disciplines. He then worked for Naval Intelligence, before his started his own strategy and operations company that has become one of the top advisory companies in the world with many major corporate clients as well as over a dozen nations".
Love his explanation between real and fake/social skepticism as well fwiw.
AcrosstheSea
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I wonder if Ed ever elaborated on his God comment at the end. I'd be interested to hear his take.
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AcrosstheSea
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Crayon
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"And angels are the craziest lays this side of hell."
Bartski
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btw this guy is a retired Navy Chief Master-at-Arms on duty during the USS Nimitz incident
WhatDidHeSay?
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"...He doesn't like loud noises but MY WORD he can eat!"
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
What's the fun in a conspiracy theory if it's proven real? Time to move on to the next one. Alot of these tinfoil hat guys are more about crazy conspiracies than finding out the truth.
AcrosstheSea
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It's funny because I've thought about the same thing. Some YouTube channels that deal with this are super skeptical. I think they are nervous that the mystery dies and there goes their fun.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Lots of people running around yelling psy-op
Maiden Voyage
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I’m curious what experiments and why. This seems far fetched but so does everything coming out.
I wonder if Ed ever elaborated on his God comment at the end. I'd be interested to hear his take.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
Seems like more hearsay "I know a guy who says he knows a guy that we have alien spaceship" garbage to me. Either provide data or actual evidence so we evaluate your claims, or stop wasting everyone's time with your garbage.
I also remember a professor in ufo history saying that since we know grusch went through appropriate pentagon protocol to divulge this information and was approved to do so, we can infer from this that the information is NOT classified
I also remember a professor in ufo history saying that since we know grusch went through appropriate pentagon protocol to divulge this information and was approved to do so, we can infer from this that the information is NOT classified
sono
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There were three men of the highest reputation and no reason to lie. In fact many reasons not to attend at all who gave sworn testimony to the American Congress. What do you think is crock. I think each of them deserve formal recognition of the courage they have shown in such an intense setting of public scrutiny. What say you?
Eiknarf
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There’s aliens out there. But they’ve never been here. If they were here we would all know. They wouldn’t survive the thousand year journey, but if they did, they wouldn’t come all the way here to just take a cow and then leave. Annnnd they wouldn’t know who “government officials are” and know to only show themselves to JUST those people - They would expose themselves to everybody.
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Maiden Voyage
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The problem is this isn’t just some guy. Multiple people with credentials are coming forward and publicly testifying under oath. It really feels like the curtains are being pulled back slowly.
It could be any number of things, we just don’t have the full picture yet.
AcrosstheSea
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The million dollar question. I'm assuming in terms of our evolution as a species. Scary to think about but again if Aliens are real and they've been around for a long long time anything is possible.
It's not hearsay for the 90th time. He has evidence of people with first hand knowledge some who have worked on the programs, documentation, where the UAPs are being stored, and people who were making threats and keeping it hidden. All of which was given to the inspector general who said it was credible and an urgent matter.
As far as the classified information comment you made this has been explained by Ross Coulthart in a video I posted a page or so back.
10:15ish in.
How do you know what they are capable of surviving? That's absurd. So you think a species that for all we know could have been around for thousands of years or maybe even millions...who knows.... Hasn't figured out how to extend life? Or find shortcuts to space travel? Plus, what many of these people are saying is they've been here for thousands of years potentially.
Eiknarf
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And we’ve never seen one?
Oh so a GovErnMenT oFfiCiaL has?
How do these aliens know who are government officials?
Its in the military and Gov’s best interests to promote SPacE aLiEns. Distraction. We've been in a cold war. We are surely developing even more terrifying weapons now, in secret.
What better excuse for a new drone than to say "it is a weather balloon" when someone records it on their phone?
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AcrosstheSea
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The million dollar question. I'm assuming in terms of our evolution as a species. Scary to think about but again if Aliens are real and they've been around for a long long time anything is possible.
It's not hearsay for the 90th time. He has evidence of people with first hand knowledge some who have worked on the programs, documentation, where the UAPs are being stored, and people who were making threats and keeping it hidden. All of which was given to the inspector general who said it was credible and an urgent matter.
As far as the classified information comment you made this has been explained by Ross Coulthart in a video I posted a page or so back.
Okay so the guy providing information in sciffs regarding reverse engineering programs, alien biology, who worked on the programs is full of shit but some NeoGAF user has all the answers. Lol.
Listen - if they exist we don't know how long they've existed. We don't know what they've accomplished. We don't know how far more advanced or what they could have discovered. You are making a lot of assumptions saying they can't or they won't but if they are here like various high profile people are claiming then they have.
The idea that aliens would automatically just POP in front of the white house and do a press conference is a wild assumption to make. Ever heard of the
Sentinelese? ...
Eiknarf
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Again, the majority of the universe and space is just that: space.
The distance between planets is so far that by the time any civilization got here we would be dead. Or they would be dead and AI would be flying the ship- So I’d only believe it’s another civilization’s AI
There’s probably a new civilization starting 1,000,000,000 light years from here right now. And there was probably another civilization dying as we were coming to be. Think of it like trying to see two fireflies light up in the same spot in your yard at the same time. It never happens. You always see a fire fly over there - then way over there another firefly lights up - then way over there another firefly lights up...etc
So it’s TWO things that have to happen simultaneously:
1: two intelligent civilizations come up around the same time
2: one can travel and survive the thousand year journey to the other
The distance between planets is so far that by the time any civilization got here we would be dead. Or they would be dead and AI would be flying the ship- So I’d only believe it’s another civilization’s AI
There’s probably a new civilization starting 1,000,000,000 light years from here right now. And there was probably another civilization dying as we were coming to be. Think of it like trying to see two fireflies light up in the same spot in your yard at the same time. It never happens. You always see a fire fly over there - then way over there another firefly lights up - then way over there another firefly lights up...etc
So it’s TWO things that have to happen simultaneously:
1: two intelligent civilizations come up around the same time
2: one can travel and survive the thousand year journey to the other
AcrosstheSea
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The GoVeRnMeNT ofFIcIAls got downed craft. What happens if there's a surviving pilot in it? News flash the government now has direct contact with the species...may establish communication, may have access to new technologies, and may want whatever they found out to be kept away from the American people for good reason.
Eiknarf
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You’re the one making assumptions
We don’t even know whats in 90% of our oceans and yet we need to see alien life from another planet to feel cool?
Wanna see an alien? Look in our oceans! Look at bugs! There are some amazing things that are “out of this world looking” yet they’re right on this world.
Aliens didn’t crash here. And if they did waaaaaay more people would know. Hundreds of thousands
Not just “top men”. Like this is an Indiana Jones movie
AcrosstheSea
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I can't really blame them. People distrust the government so much that even when something makes them look bad if it comes from anyone from the government it STILL isn't trusted lol
AcrosstheSea
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Bruh. I've said numerous times IF aliens are here. Over and over....
All I'm saying is he didn't say hearsay. He provided evidence to the inspector general and many people came forward corroborating what he said. Unlike you I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because I don't trust the government worth shit and I can totally buy them doing a massive cover up. None of this makes them look good so I want to see it play out.
Your what aliens would or wouldn't do speech was just silly. Until we are in the future with tech that defies physics I'm not gonna pretend to know what they could or couldn't do.
What I do know is with the sentinalese tribe they are totally cut off from modern civilization. So I can absolutely see an alien race be an observer to humanity.
Eiknarf
Look not meaning to come off rude. I apologize. Sometimes overly skeptical people rub me wrong. It's okay to be skeptical but this world is far too mysterious to be in outright denial of possibilities. These are well decorated people, they deserve to be heard. Lets see what happens. It could be a giant fake or a disinformation campaign but shutting any possibility down just kills the conversation.
This would be the biggest story in all of human history....if true. Encouraging this to play out will help get to the bottom of what's actually going on. There's a lot of credible....normal people hinting and talking about this stuff and it's bizarre. Bizarre enough to be looked into properly because who knows?
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AcrosstheSea
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Crayon
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Alpha centauri is like 40 years away at a lazy .1c.
Eiknarf
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Just to give some clarity to how massive space is - and how vast it is
Ya know when you watch pretty much every science-fiction movie, and they travel “through the asteroid belt”? Right?
(We all know that scene). Hahaha
The filmmakers would have you believe you’re in jeopardy of crashing into the rocks!! “Whoa!! I gotta pitch left, and then quickly go down real fast and then fork right, rapidly!!” etc etc
That couldn’t be further from the truth
The average distance between two rocks in the asteroid belt is between 600,000 miles to 1,000,000 miles. You could fly through the asteroid belt blindfolded and never come close to crashing once!!!
And that’s just our asteroid belt.
The nearest star that houses a goldilocks type planet to Harbor life is not remotely close enough for Anything that’s alive to survive the journey. All life dies. It would have to be AI
(Like the move Steven Spielberg continued for Stanley Kubrick called “AI”)
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AcrosstheSea
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Just to be clear. I sound sure of things. I'm not and it's my fear that we are being lied to because something else is going on and they need a massive psyop for some reason.
Having said that I want to believe this is true because it'd be huge even if it's terrifying. It's an exciting prospect to know we aren't alone in this universe and we've made contact. I just hope information truly gets released so we can put it to rest
Having said that I want to believe this is true because it'd be huge even if it's terrifying. It's an exciting prospect to know we aren't alone in this universe and we've made contact. I just hope information truly gets released so we can put it to rest
Crayon
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Oh, the universe is big? I didn't realize.
Idk man. It seems like you haven't done much homework on this if you think this is a revelation.
Eiknarf
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It seems like you haven’t done any homework in your whole life if you think creatures from another planet took their space craft, traveled here, and then crashed like idiots
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
But it is hearsay. Grusch has admitted he has never seen any of the evidence himself
Crayon
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Fools idol
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And this, my friends, is the only comment that needs to be read.
No evidence. None.
Until we see some of this wonderful 'evidence' he speaks about, physically, and undeniable, he is a hack.
Crayon
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What evidence with what providence would satisfy you?
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