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[Des0lar]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/world/europe/syrian-terror-suspect-germany-suicide.html

A 22-year-old Syrian who the authorities said planned an imminent terrorist attack in Germany but was detained by fellow refugees committed suicide in a jail cell on Wednesday evening.

The suspect, Jaber al-Bakr, took his own life at the jail in Leipzig, where he had been taken after being detained early Monday, according to Jörg Herold, the spokesman for the Justice Ministry in Saxony, the German state where the events unfolded.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/syrian-...rmany-committedsuicide-lawyer-says-1476306793

The 22-year-old Syrian refugee managed to escape a massive police raid on his apartment block on Saturday, sparking a two-day international manhunt. Although he was sighted leaving the block, police lost his track during the assault.

Mr. Albakr was arrested two days later, on Monday, after two fellow Syrians he had persuaded to offer him shelter identified him as the fugitive and turned him in.

The botched police raid prompted conservative politicians to call for an overhaul of the strict rules separating police from intelligence work, a heritage of two successive dictatorships in the last century.

During the raid on Mr. Albakr’s flat, police found about 3 pounds of TATP, the highly potent explosive favored by Islamist terrorists and used in recent attacks in Paris and Brussels, along with materials for making a suicide vest.

The public defender of Albakr also claims that he notified the authorities that Albakr was on hunger strike and expressed suicidal thoughts. He claims the police reassured him, that Albakr would be under surveillance.

Major fuck up on the Sachsen police department's side. German public is outraged, how this could happen and demand extensive investigations.

 

[StickSoldier]

That's fucking awful man. No man should ever feel that they have to commit suicide. Unfortunately, this man felt like he had no choice but it's still a bit sad because I know I have had suicidal thoughts and it felt like I was in Hell.. No more, I'm out.

 

[Cerium]

During the raid on Mr. Albakr’s flat, police found about 3 pounds of TATP, the highly potent explosive favored by Islamist terrorists and used in recent attacks in Paris and Brussels, along with materials for making a suicide vest.

Well then my primary concern would be whether they got all the relevant intel out of him.

 

[EVH]

Well better like this than with that explosive belt he had.

 

[Ardenyal]

Nothing of value was lost.

 

[Shiggy]

Big fuck up. How could this happen when they were supposed to watch him, especially after he showed his suicidal intentions? This will make further investigations just more difficult.

German public is outraged

That statement is quite hyperbolic.

Well then my primary concern would be whether they got all the relevant intel out of him and whether he was working alone.

He apparently said the three who handed him over to police were involved in the pains of the attack. Could have just been an attempt to fuck up others' lives.

 

[Alx]

Well there should be investigations anyway when someone dies in custody.
Is there any info on how he managed to kill himself ?

 

[Hektor]

Well there should be investigations anyway when someone dies in custody.
Is there any info on how he managed to kill himself ?

He hanged himself apparently

 

[Xando]

First authorities in saxony fuck up the arrest so he could flee and now this.

smh

Well there should be investigations anyway when someone dies in custody.
Is there any info on how he managed to kill himself ?

He went into hunger strike a few days ago so he was supposed to be watched but somehow he managed to hang himself last night

 

[spekkeh]

Worried he killed himself to not expose something imminent. Either way looks bad on the German police that a terror suspect can just kill himself in their custody.

 

[Des0lar]

That statement is quite hyperbolic.

Outraged may be a strong word, but it has been all over the news and people on social media are already starting conspiracy theories so I felt ''outraged'' was appropriate.

Nothing of value was lost.

Even if you don't feel this man deserved a fair trial, he still had information which would have been useful to the German police.

 

[duckroll]

That's fucking awful man. No man should have to commit suicide.

???????????

He didn't have to commit suicide. He chose to do it. The fuck is how he was allowed to go through with it by prison authorities.

Nothing of value was lost.

Other than due process, possibly getting a better picture of how the intended crime would have been committed, and who else might have been supporting or funding such actions, sure. If he killed himself because he was innocent and felt he was forced into a bad situation with no way out then an innocent life was lost. If he killed himself because he didn't want to be taken alive in the off chance they get any information out of him, the chance to get that information is lost. Big fuck up either way.

 

[sammyCYBORG]

Nice that it was two Syrian that turned him in. Not that it will make much difference to the anti-immigration crowd but still.

 

[YianGaruga]

The police knew he was suicidal and he went on a hunger strike ever since he was arrested. They were supposed to keep him under constant surveilance but apparently only checked on him every hour.

Huge fuckup

 

[Shiggy]

Outraged may be a strong word, but it has been all over the news and people on social media are already starting conspiracy theories so I felt ''outraged'' was appropriate.

Well, of course the media has to report about it. And social media brings out the dumbest people in Germany, see Team Gina Lisa or the hatespeech-promoting Anti-HateSpeech channel. Some people will just be outraged because they have too much time.

This definitely requires an investigation as this must not have happened. Yet the overall reaction from German public is far from outraged.

 

[BocoDragon]

It's unfortunate that he didn't face the full brunt of justice, and wasn't made to divulge everything he knows.

As far as the loss of life itself..... good riddance. He wanted to kill people. Bye bye.

 

[iPaul93]

That's fucking awful man. No man should have to commit suicide.

I hope you're just trying to be edgy,cause he was a terrorist,so gfto with that shit.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I hope you're just trying to be edgy,cause he was a terrorist,so gfto with that shit.

Some could argue that people who are happy that this guy died are edgy.

 

[KHlover]

He was in jail, not in police custody, so police is not at fault here. This one is on JVA staff

 

[Donos]

They fucked up majorly. It's really strange since he was already supposed to be under "special surveillance" in his cell since he was under hunger strike and fiddled around with stuff in his cell. How he can hang himself while under special attention escapes me. Waiting on a full report.

Like the article said, special police forces already got clowned when he escaped the first time.

Reports suggest that he was close to doing his attack on Berlin Airports this weekend or really soon and my father is just coming back by plane to Berlin.

Hits getting closer to germany. So far we got spared.

 

[iPaul93]

Some could argue that people who are happy that this guy died are edgy.

So it would've been better if he killed a dozen of innocent people?Mkay.

 

[KonradLaw]

German police likely just isn't accustomed to this kinds of threats. So mistakes are being made.

 

[duckroll]

So it would've been better if he killed a dozen of innocent people?Mkay.

What? No, it would be better if he remained in jail where he was being held, like he was supposed to. What the fuck.

 

[Bedlam]

Some could argue that people who are happy that this guy died are edgy.

You are talking about ISIS terrorists then, right?

Because I don't see too many people being happy about it except those that wanted his Martyr death. Questioning him and locking him up would be what hurts his ISIS terrorist pals the most.

Sorry that I love that I live in a country where there is no death penalty and people get trials.

That's what I'm saying.

 

[iPaul93]

What? No, it would be better if he remained in jail where he was being held, like he was supposed to. What the fuck.

Of course,but I can't feel bad for a person that was planning on killing others.

 

[Hektor]

German police likely just isn't accustomed to this kinds of threats. So mistakes are being made.

What's there to get accustomed to? They only had to pay attention towards the cell in which he was held.

That should hardly be an insurmountable task for a police force

 

[GAMEPROFF]

You are talking about ISIS terrorists then, right?

Because I don't see too many people being happy about it except those that wanted his Martyr death.

Sorry that I love that I live in a country where there is no death penalty and people get trials.

 

[MisterFalcon]

What's there to get accustomed to? They only had to pay attention towards the cell in which he was held.

That should hardly be an insurmountable task for a police force

That would be the way Chelsea Manning is kept under watch which has been called inhumane many times.

But this does look a bit like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction#.22Death_Night.22

 

[SirRattleBalls]

What a huge fuck up on the Germans part, it would have been great to see him trialed and jailed for a long time.

 

[Tk0n]

Like the article said, special police forces already got clowned when he escaped the first time.

not only that. they "missed" him a second time. when they tried to apprehend him, he fled to his old "official" residence but couldnt get in, because the locks had been exchanged since he was there the last time. police didnt think it was necessary to observe his old location/hadnt have enough police force there.

maybe gsg9 should have handled the arrest...

 

[chadskin]

Parliamentary inquiry in Saxony in 3...2...1...

Saxony's justice minister is probably toast, too.

 

[MisterFalcon]

What a huge fuck up on the Germans part, it would have been great to see him trialed and jailed for a long time.

So he can recruit some small time criminals to become terrorists ? No thanks.

 

[Shiggy]

Sorry that I love that I live in a country where there is no death penalty and people get trials.

He killed himself, that's not even anywhere close to death penalty.

 

[StickSoldier]

???????????

He didn't have to commit suicide. He chose to do it. The fuck is how he was allowed to go through with it by prison authorities.

Oh yeah you are right, I guess he did make his own decision. I guess I feel sorry when people commit suicide because I know that at some point, the depression and horrors that cloud the mind make it hard to make wise decisions. Have you ever been so depressed that you couldn't even think properly and you were making decisions that you knew were wrong but yet you still couldn't stop yourself? Yeah, I used to be, I finally was able to break it with just smiling and now I don't feel so bad, but yea I'm sorry if I offended you Duckroll because I shows a bit of empathy. You should try get some too yourself! I will correct my first post though, I apologize sir!

 

[Irminsul]

That was a clusterfuck from start to finish. How the fuck can you be that careless with a suspect that important?

Sorry that I love that I live in a country where there is no death penalty and people get trials.

The person you quoted meant that only ISIS would be happy about his death.

 

[KonradLaw]

What's there to get accustomed to? They only had to pay attention towards the cell in which he was held.

That should hardly be an insurmountable task for a police force

It's extremely rare for somebody to commit suicide in german prisons. They likely didn't take the threat as seriously as they should because of that.

 

[Hektor]

Oh yeah you are right, I guess he did make his own decision. I guess I feel sorry when people commit suicide because I know that at some point, the depression and horrors that cloud the mind make it hard to make wise decisions. Have you ever been so depressed that you couldn't even think properly and you were making decisions that you knew were wrong but yet you still couldn't stop yourself? Yeah, I used to be, I finally was able to break it with just smiling and now I don't feel so bad, but yea I'm sorry if I offended you Duckroll because I shows a bit of empathy. You should try get some too yourself! I will correct my first post though, I apologize sir!

This was a terrorist who planned to kill a bunch of people with very real explosives, not some unloved depressed teenager.

That would be the way Chelsea Manning is kept under watch which has been called inhumane many times.

But this does look a bit like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction#.22Death_Night.22

I mean it can't be ruled out, but I doubt some police offers would want to kill some small time terrorist if that's what you're getting at.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

The person you quoted meant that only ISIS would be happy about his death.

Sorry. I have read this excellent post before:

So it would've been better if he killed a dozen of innocent people?Mkay.

and lost my temper a bit and misread the post from Bedlam
Sorry @ Bedlam.

 

[StickSoldier]

Dude, this was a terrorist who planned to kill a bunch of people with very real explosives, not some unloved depressed teenager.

He's 22. Do you know how he became radicalized? Were you with him 24/7, through out this mans life to know WHY he was going to do it? Well as a matter of fact, you don't even know this man, you are basing his life on a paragraph. Is your life written in a paragraph? He could have been forced to do it for all we know. Hold your tongue before you speak .'

Edit: I'm saying one more thing and you fools better listen well. You will not make it far in life if you have no regard for God's creations and fail to show the same love to them as you are supposed to. Just please all I ask is don't judge a person before you actually sit down and talk to them about their lives, and listen to what they have to say. You would want the same, yes?

 

[duckroll]

I'm sorry if I offended you Duckroll because I shows a bit of empathy. You should try get some too yourself! I will correct my first post though, I apologize sir!

I'm not sure why you think I am offended or you feel like this was an attack on suicide victims. I was merely pointing out that he chose to do it, and wasn't (as far as we know) forced into it. The comment sounded like one where he was induced to commit suicide and I was confused as to why that conclusion would be made. We don't have much information about why he did what he did, and because the prison authorities fucked up and allowed it to happen, we will probably never know.

 

[YianGaruga]

Edit: I'm saying one more thing and you fools better listen well. You will not make it far in life if you have no regard for God's creations and fail to show the same love to them as you are supposed to. Just please all I ask is don't judge a person before you actually sit down and talk to them about their lives, and listen to what they have to say. You would want the same, yes?

oookay

 

[StayDead]

I hope you're just trying to be edgy,cause he was a terrorist,so gfto with that shit.

Rather than wishing someone dead for being a terrorist we should work hard to understand what turned them to terrorism in the first place and do everything we can to remove those catalysts. We can't find out his history or what he was planning or told to do with him dead. Thankfully (as far as we know) this man hadn't actually killed anyone yet. We don't know if he ever actually would've gone through with it. We don't know why he had the explosives where he lived, they might not have even been his. Now, we'll never know.

 

[iPaul93]

Edit: I'm saying one more thing and you fools better listen well. You will not make it far in life if you have no regard for God's creations and fail to show the same love to them as you are supposed to. Just please all I ask is don't judge a person before you actually sit down and talk to them about their lives, and listen to what they have to say. You would want the same, yes?

Still can't tell wether you're trolling us or not.

 

[BocoDragon]

He's 22. Do you know how he became radicalized? Were you with him 24/7, through out this mans life to know WHY he was going to do it? Well as a matter of fact, you don't even know this man, you are basing his life on a paragraph. Is your life written in a paragraph? He could have been forced to do it for all we know. Hold your tongue before you speak .'

If people get a pass for being murderers because they are only 22, we'd sure be forgiving a lot of them.

We know the kid is in some way a victim of jihadist ideology and wasn't completely his own creation. But the fact is that he's already been twisted into a monster. If he indended to kill people, his life is of no worth to the rest of society.

It's not the satisfaction of fiery retribution against a villain we are talking about here. It's the satisfaction that a rabid dog has been removed from this planet and can't harm another.

 

[KonradLaw]

Rather than wishing someone dead for being a terrorist we should work hard to understand what turned them to terrorism in the first place and do everything we can to remove those catalysts.

Unfortunatelly I think Europe is long past that. It will only keep getting worse and worse. With every terrorist attempt/attack the natives will only grow more resentful towards muslims, which in turn will only make muslims more alienated and less integrated, making more and more of them turn to terrorism, creating endless cycle of violence and hate, which will get stronger with each passing loop.

 

[Shiggy]

I somehow cannot feel much empathy with someone who planned to kill a lot of other people. But maybe that's just me.

On the bright side, taxpayers save money now as he does not need to be fed through in prison.

 

[Alx]

The police knew he was suicidal and he went on a hunger strike ever since he was arrested. They were supposed to keep him under constant surveilance but apparently only checked on him every hour.

Huge fuckup

I'm no expert, but checking on him now and then doesn't sound too outlandish for such a situation. Are all suicidal people kept under constant watch ? It doesn't sound really feasible.
That's why I was wondering how he managed to kill himself, if he did it in a preventable/foreseeable way (like hanging himself with his belt or shoelaces), then it would suggest a big mistake has been made.

Anyway that's what the investigation is for, better wait for its conclusion.

 

[oti]

Nothing of value was lost.

Even if you don't care about this person in particular the potential intel into the ISIS inner workings lost for nothing is a lot of value down the drain. Maybe think before you post your pre-made internet responses.

 

[StayDead]

Unfortunatelly I think Europe is long past that. It will only keep getting worse and worse. With every terrorist attempt/attack the natives will only grow more resentful towards muslims, which in turn will only make muslims more alienated and less integrated, making more and more of them turn to terrorism, creating endless cycle of violence and hate, which will get stronger with each passing loop.

The problem is I think a lot of the radicalisation that's gone on in the past 5 years has come as a result of the botched illegal war in Iraq. It led (as far as I'm aware) to the birth of ISIS. The American and English governments at the time as well as anyone else who participated in Iraq have a lot to answer for. They'll never accept responsibility for everything, but all this hate now is because of that war. I mean this may have all happened anyway, but we don't know that for sure.

It's the same thing with Hamas in Palestine. Young people see their families getting bombed/killed and they want to fight back. Then people take advantage of them and make them believe that doing awful acts is right. It's a cycle of hate. People attack, terrorists are born. Terrorists attack, people get hurt and fight back. This in turn leads to more terrorists. The war on terrorism is unstoppable through violence for this one reason.

 

[BocoDragon]

Even if you don't care about this person in particular the potential intel into the ISIS inner workings lost for nothing is a lot of value down the drain. Maybe think before you post your pre-made internet responses.

The last sentence is eye rolling.

A terrorist died. Some people are calmly satisfied with that news. Are you really scandalized by this?