Sure.. but i feel they still ended up using it pretty much everywhere.
The CGi artists knew that if they didn’t make it look as good as possible Spielberg was already using Stan Winston for a lot of the work. So the heat was on.
If those dino costumes existed then they'd have been everywhere lol
Yeah Spielberg is a real master of this. Also seeing the movie in 35mm made this more true than ever, given how dark the film actually is. Weird Al's Jurassic Park lyrics suddenly made complete sense.
Absolutely true.
Well, on 35mm you can't tell when something is animatronic and when it's CG, believe me.
Regarding Alien3, i remember Fincher saying that when he asked for a CG Xeno in the movie he was told that it was "impossible", and then the next year saw Jurassic Park in the theater. lol
JW movies have insanely detailed models.. but the animations, the motion capture used on the dinosaurs, and the compositing made all of them less realistic than the animals in the first movie. They look and behave "cartoony". There's just a couple of shot in the entire JW movies that look real to me. It was also pretty easy to spot the difference between the CG rex and animatronic one during that blood sampling scene, which is crazy after all these years.
But you're talking about the UHD.. that's not Jurassic Park, and not what ILM made. Compositing is all screwed up, you see things that were supposed to be in shadows, everything have altered RGB levels, brightness and gamma. No wonder it looks like crap.
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Terminator 2 looks more real.
That is exactly how Terminators look in 2021.
) the seats were dodgy meaning the guy jumping next to us caused us all to jump. He apologised in the end
I think you misunderstood me, because to me the CG in JP does not even look "very good" if seen in BD or UHD, it looks like crap for today standards. Very dated and low res.
Terminator 2 looks more real.
That is exactly how Terminators look in 2021.
Yes it was. There's unfortunately no "official" way to watch Jurassic Park like it was shot and rendered at the time.Brutal
Those differences crikey. Watched it on Amazon and it looked great so is that the shite version?
I think i've been pretty clear with what i meant.
I'd link you posts and impressions from the place i've obtained this 4K scan of the movie, only made of what is the literal opposite of "average moviegoer" (which i'd say is a more suitable description of those unable to see the limitations of current home video releases of pre digital intermediate movies), but given your responses and passive aggressive attitude for no apparent reason i feel it would be only a waste of time.
I agree that JP blows JW out of the water... but that’s a low ass bar. I was obsessed with JP film.... until I read the book.
Of course i am, i've made the Thread mentioning the Home Video releases in the OP for a reason.
But the entire movie is like this. And when it's not, like Brachiosaurus, Gallimimus and final fight, there are no animatronics.
Except in the video i posted there's only one shot with an animatronic, and that's because it's the same shot in which said animatronic seamlessly blends with the its CG version.
The word i was looking for is the one i used because if most of the time i can't tell what's practical and what's not, it should by definition be called "real".
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I really like the book.. as always, but when you analyse it 70% of it are expositions.
Man, this is me before seeing it in 35mm! The movie went from a SyFy family movie to a gritty "thriller nearing horror at times".
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Would be interesting for sure. But dinosaurs would be probably covered in feathers, the tone of it would be surely closer to JW movies, and dinosaurs would look and behave worse than they did here. And in case it would feature animatronics, those would look bad because no one can match Stan Winston. Not even his own team, as seen in that one scene in JW.
Yeah, always loved TLW book. Maybe because i read it years after watching the movie so i couldn't be disappointed by the lack of Carnotaur, to say one, but except for than one gymnastic scene i still like TLW movie. It's the only real sequel to me.
Yep.
You'd be surprised how much better those look in 35mm.
What's truly mindblowing is that Rob Bottin was 23 years old when he made those effects.
There’s an interview with Phil Tippett where he said that the animators would turn in the motion data and the computer technicians would think there was something wrong with it, but when they rendered a rough pass out it looked perfect.
I think one of the main reasons the CGI looks so good nowadays is that they had some of the best stop motion animators in the world animating a tiny armature that would translate the position of the real world model into the computer. So they knew all the tricks of how to get models to animate believably, and technicians were able to bring that forward rather than starting from scratch.
In my experience, animating is more about the final product tricking our brains, rather than realism or precision.
Of course there’s tricks they used like keeping the lighting simple, having on set references for the lighting and colors, and spending months on literally seconds of one CGI character, but yeah, if you look at the computers they were using, it’s absolutely insane what they pulled off.
Oh yeah and the jeep is also CGI when the T-Rex is tearing it up
Oh yes! I want feathers and that quick movement they talk about. Its what Dr Woo is pushing for (i believe) version 4.0 of the Dinos to make them more like what people expect. The book goes to painful lengths to make it known that the "movie" dinos are a lie and that the real ones moved more like Birds than Elephants.
Man, you just made me want to read it again.
Imagine going from this
And being fully responsible for probably the 2° most impressive CG creatures for their time:Imagine going from this
To full CGI during your career. That's pretty wild.
This left me absolutely speechless when I found out.Oh yeah and the jeep is also CGI when the T-Rex is tearing it up
I would agree, if for "today's terms" we weren't getting things like this:
Absolutely spot on, every single word.The reason it works so well though and looks as if it hasn't aged a day is being the tech wasn't advanced enough yet, it had to be used in strategic angles with minimal usage and tactful lighting in order to fool the audience in to thinking what we're seeing is real.
Nowadays we take this tech for granted, abandoning certain visual principles in the process (which is why while technically way more advanced, a lot of modern CGI in Hollywood blockbusters look like shit).
In other words:
Also in the scene where the jeep falls on them, at least according to the video.Oh yeah and the jeep is also CGI when the T-Rex is tearing it up
What also surprised me is that in this shot:
The car is definitely CG when it falls on Alan and Lex, but i think that when it lands on Alan and Tim it's a digital compositing of two different shots, since in the video is also included the shot of Alan nearly falling in the drop of the paddock.
I'm beginning to think Spielberg making JP instead of James Cameron was a mistake.
Jurassic Park and Terminator 2 CGI is still incredible because it was used exactly when needed. No more, no less. Just right.
But we would have lost all those shots of people staring in wide eyed amusement.
