LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
If yiu want to interpret it that way then it's on you. OT's shiukd contain vital information. That's not news.
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AVG was helpful even if his actions were questionable sometimes in other threads.
At least he will still create deals and it will filter down to gaf.
ooooh that's a nice trick, I usually just search for the font :|
At least he will still create deals and it will filter down to gaf.
ooooh that's a nice trick, I usually just search for the font :|
Mavromatis
Member
I like Tony, I want him to stay on his job and continue posting these deals. But I like GAF and it's way of keeping it unattached too. So I think I can handle checking CAG for the deals from now on and GAF for gaming news and discussion.
Also, GAF can probably handle him as Tony and not the Amazon Video Games Guy.
Glass Rebel
Member
there's a big difference between what OTs should be and what they currently are. Just looking at two recently released OTs: Salsa's Dishonored OT was perfect, the Borderlands 2 OT was just ridiculous. That's definitely not "vital information" and nobody should have (or does) read that.
masterkajo
Member
Don't know but if they do would you mind letting me know? I would love to get the game too.
Alex
Member
This board is what it is and he was having a hard time fitting in between stringent rules on such things and some oddball sects of disgruntled users. I like Tony, but in the end it may better just to get the trickle down from CAG as far as the NeoGAF postings go.
I will say though, that I wish OT's were far more restricted as is. They're already swollen into glorified ad campaigns and we really don't need them to be official ones.
I will say though, that I wish OT's were far more restricted as is. They're already swollen into glorified ad campaigns and we really don't need them to be official ones.
Tony just said on CAG that Walking Dead was that price not too long ago but it will be presumably $15 closer to Halloween.
Yeah, I can understand that. I still think it was a little too harsh, but the rules are pretty clear. And in a way, this shows that there aren't double standards: everyone has to play by them, even helpful guys like Tony.
And I've just read the Eurogamer article, and now realise why everyone jumped on him. Terrible, terrible timing on his part, and he definitely should have PM'd a mod or Evilore himself instead of making the thread.
I can't wait for TWD to be 75% off, presumably around Christmas.
It'll hit 66% first. Then you'll see 75% which should be next year or when the pre-order for season 2 is up.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Canis lupus
Member
He should've talked with the mods about it.
I don't disagree, but at the same time I don't see what's so hard about telling him instead of banning him. Or hey, ban for a week. Perma reeks of hard feelings based on matters not even related.
Key point: It's not like he did some deceptive shit on GAF, he asked if something would be okay. "No, it's not okay. Read the rules <link>. I'm locking this thread." Over.
iNvid02
Member
im reading the official guidelines evilore set out and cant find "must only contain vital information" anywhere. as for nobody reads them, didnt know your opinion represented the whole of gaf.
some people prefer a lot of info, some people prefer simplicity, both are acceptable under the new rules. its obvious you prefer the latter, no need to shout about it in the hopes that all ot's will conform to your tastes -
they wont
stufte
Member
This right here is exactly why the banning was over the top and frankly reactionary because of the whole Eurogamer thing.
YianGaruga
Banned
Yep, the "hope I don't get banhammered for this" was a clear sign that he knew that it could backfire.
I agree that the permaban seems weirdly excessive. Pity, he seemed like a sound guy.
Beelzeboss
Member
Tony was banned?
Aww I never got to ask him if amazon was going to sell Torchlight 2 ever
Aww I never got to ask him if amazon was going to sell Torchlight 2 ever
Yep. He also offered to delete the thread if it was inappropriate. I don't see why they couldn't just let him delete the thread instead of permabanning him, without even talking to him too. It's not like he was ever deceptive about his affiliations as well. The way this went down is not normal and feels extremely weird.
iNvid02
Member
for sure, everyone knows how strict gaf is with its rules (and for good reason, keeps this place pretty awesome). if in doubt, pm a mod or get a second opinion. better to be safe then sorry.
We have a zero tolerance policy for PR agents who act inappropriately. They have their interests (promoting their company's product), we have ours (maintaining NeoGAF's integrity and neutrality). Those can be compatible at times, and at times not.
Asking a question that attempts to undermine our goals by way of issuing a public statement in thread form promoting the concept of PR perks for posters is going to hit that zero tolerance, while sending me a PM asking about it would have resulted in the gesture being declined but no ban being issued. That's simple enough.
Asking a question that attempts to undermine our goals by way of issuing a public statement in thread form promoting the concept of PR perks for posters is going to hit that zero tolerance, while sending me a PM asking about it would have resulted in the gesture being declined but no ban being issued. That's simple enough.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Fair enough.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
I still want Tony back. >: I guess I can start visiting CAG again then.
Mavromatis
Member
He probably suspected that there may be some things to avoid on such a thread, but getting a plebiscite gives him more chance than getting a "No!". And I think he, in some sense, wanted the GAF population to back him up for some kind of a change towards his suggestion.
I still think that having a more direct contact with Tony, or someone of a similar position for a different firm, may be the change we need to get a more responsive and responsible Digital Distribution platform.
And maybe if we had similar contacts with the game producers we wouldn't have journalists sitting next to Doritos bags, or at least fewer of them.
Madrugador
Member
What a sad day. I'm going to miss Tony ;(
legacyzero
Banned
Ironically and coincidentally, I sent you a PM yesterday about this same issue. I guess the answer is pretty clear.
And yeah, I agree with your post. It's why I love this site so much. It's a shame that all this happened, but it seems he had an idea about what could happen.
Funny how CheapyD is implying that the mods banned Tony because they get off of banning famous people. The guy fails to see a fundamental difference (and rules) between a forum decicated to buy shit for cheap and a gaming enthusiast site.
Makes sense
Madrugador
Member
Old? Amazon is going to sell Dead Space Bundle for $7.49 on 10/31.
Yeah, I know. Origin gave them for free blablabla...
Yeah, I know. Origin gave them for free blablabla...
Yup. I'm all for getting some info.
Also the rules say you can't be affiliated with the game in question, but that's a dumb rule. Anyone who makes the OT of a thread is going to like it. Jesus christ.
I still don't understand that shit. There was something about some journalism and backpeddling? who cares! Gaming journalism is shit anyways, ignore it.
Cheapy was banned?
Ploid 3.0
Member
I asked near launch, he was continuing to try to make it happen. Seems like it won't if they couldn't get it by now. I'm surprised the game turned out to not be a steamworks game, but steam is somehow tied into it somewhere (the whole steam friendlist). I bet there was some deal with steam, or they have bad blood with amazon since amazon sell steamworks game codes.
It's an important rule.
What happens when publishers starts paying members to post OTs?
Games journalism is shit you say? Why do you think that is?
Put two and two together.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Oh ok, I read it wrong
Ploid 3.0
Member
I remember a OT made for a game no one was interested in, it was a sarcastic OT and was horrible. (Not Street Sweeper but something else)
As far as reading the OT I read quite a few of them. I read parts I want info on, for Diablo 3 I read and clicked on the images (provided indirectly by Blizzard) which linked to Blizzard videos on youtube (Witch Doctor vids holla!).
cicero
Member
Wow. Permaban. The guy made life better as a gamer and these forums a much better place to come to for game related info. He actually listened and responded to direct requests for deals and info. He could have been cut some slack for what certainly seemed like an innocent error in judgement...
Except that those posts of his benefit the lives of gamers by providing info on deals and incentives that give them a better chance to maximize their purchasing power. Which is what Tony obviously did. It was a POSITIVE thing to have an official rep here that we could bounce requests off of, someone accountable who also dealt with problems, all to ultimately benefit his employer, but also as a corollary, we the consumers as well.
What you seem to want is retailer specific threads without any extra involvement by the retailers whatsoever. So we get random posts by users about deals, if they feel like it, no feedback regarding fixing problems with deals, no specific info regarding deals, and no specific requests or input about desired future deals. How many people did he sit here and help when their purchases failed to go through or whatever problems they had? How many deals did we get because of specific input he received from the grateful users here?
I find your specific standard of "integrity" a bit ridiculous here on a gaming forum, of all places, and are clearly at odds with the basic idea of making the forum a more informative and better place to come to for a larger and better variety of information. That idea being the thing I really find to be the most appealing aspect of specific area focused community forums like this one. Tony provided a needed and beneficial service to gamers in a way that best served us, it was a wonderful example of a retailer finally getting the positive and beneficial aspects of pursuing informal partnering with users in an online community.
It is unfortunate that he will not be cut a little slack for his error in judgement. It is our loss. Hopefully Wario keeps up with updates here, I would hope that the thread doesn't end up barely alive like it was before Tony showed up, but anyone here with future problems/suggestions/requests better just sign up on CAG for their still breathing Amazon deal thread here.
How sad.
Then leave.
Cheapy is horrible at running a site. I got banned from the site a year or so ago for no reason (that's what it tells me when I log in) and I try every thing to contact him and the mods and guess what...my IP address gets banned! I'm not shocked that Cheapy banned Tony, I'm sure he was jealous of Tony
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