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Legendary hardware.
But like back then, i'm always going with the performance king with better software and these days it has usually been nvidia. The next amd cards look very interesting though.
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He's talking about the image in particular. Somebody forgot to change "Higher" to "Lower".
i never said higher is better, and the sapphire card runs cooler than those 970 and 980 models. my new post was to show that the tdp difference is NOT what is claimed, nor was the noise/temp difference. the overclocked non reference models for both amd and nvidia are very similiar in terms of heat, power draw, and noise, and i proved it.
And I never said that I was talking about you. If it wasn't clear enough, I was saying that your example source is incompetent at best and sketchy at worst.
Because, think about it, how does anyone screw up something so simple and critical as the values for Temperature?
If you want to argue your point, then I suggest that you consider using Anandtech.
Backseat modding? No, I thought I'd just give you an advice as a junior member. I didn't call for you to get banned or anything.i thought backseat modding and shitting up threads with backseat modding was also against the rules.... hmmm my mistake?
you still want to try to argue this point? because you will lose sir. this one is even more in favor of my point
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AMD fanbase have been always the funniest of them all.
If that's all you got from their posts, that's kinda telling.
Usual AMD fanbase behaviour.
so you are saying my source is invalid because of a simple easily overlooked error in their graphic? how about you focus on the actual numbers instead of disregarding data that doesn't fit your narrative.
I'm not denying their greed.You really need to explain why you refuse to acknowledge nvidia greed...it's a company with the bad that comes with it...but Does it need consumers to protect such practice ?
I'll probably never understand devotion (too much attachment to gimmicks and useless stuff and protecting bad things )
How about you take a fucking chill pill instead of mouthing off at anyone who points out inconsistencies in your arguments?
I don't know about Tweaktown and have never heard of it until you posted those images. So seeing the Temperature chart having a glaring mistake is obviously NOT going to give me a good impression of how professional they are.
I don't disagree with the actual numbers involved and at this point I am beginning to not give a fuck about it if I have to put up with hyper aggressive asshats like you.
Why don't you read this instead and learn to grow the fuck up about what is considered to be informative and professional:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-review
I'm not denying their greed.
It's simply how business works.
When one company is selling a comparable product for 30-40% more money and destroying the competition, you really need to look at the competition.
Yep, that was the last time I went ATI and it was great. I switched with the Geforce 8000 series and have been with NV since, as a whole package AMD's cards have never quite convinced me.![]()
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or how about you stop linking to reviews and tests of reference designs, which throttle under load and run hot. did anandtech review a sapphire 290/290X? did anandtech compare it with an aftermarket overclocked 970 and 980? if the answer is no, then anandtech are the ones being unprofessional and/or deliberately biased (which, i might add, isn't a new thing for Anand Lal Shimpi, he's got a very huge apple bias, among other things, so why should i trust his site over another?)
EDIT: i see that he hasn't reviewed a single aftermarket 290/290X at all, but has done several aftermarket nvidia reviews. this shows a clear bias.
I got nothing from his posts because I have already read a lot of literature about the subject.
When you have so many sources on the net about some product and you stick religiously to only one, it smells fishy. Usual AMD fanbase behaviour.
I got nothing from his posts because I have already read a lot of literature about the subject.
When you have so many sources on the net about some product and you stick religiously to only one, it smells fishy. Usual AMD fanbase behaviour.
While I completely agree with your post overall, this sentence reads a bit silly. Every company "will leverage their marketshare advantage in ways that do not really benefit the consumer" -- e.g. AMD hasn't not done so because they are such nice people there, they haven't done so because they can't currently.While I think Nvidia's products have been quite good, Nvidia the company has shown that they will leverage their marketshare advantage in ways that do not really benefit the consumer.
While I completely agree with your post overall, this sentence reads a bit silly. Every company "will leverage their marketshare advantage in ways that do not really benefit the consumer" -- e.g. AMD hasn't not done so because they are such nice people there, they haven't done so because they can't currently.
or how about you stop linking to reviews and tests of reference designs, which throttle under load and run hot. did anandtech review a sapphire 290/290X? did anandtech compare it with an aftermarket overclocked 970 and 980? if the answer is no, then anandtech are the ones being unprofessional and/or deliberately biased (which, i might add, isn't a new thing for Anand Lal Shimpi, he's got a very huge apple bias, among other things, so why should i trust his site over another?)
EDIT: i see that he hasn't reviewed a single aftermarket 290/290X at all, but has done several aftermarket nvidia reviews. this shows a clear bias.
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While I completely agree with your post overall, this sentence reads a bit silly. Every company "will leverage their marketshare advantage in ways that do not really benefit the consumer" -- e.g. AMD hasn't not done so because they are such nice people there, they haven't done so because they can't currently.
Windows Vista was an absolute clusterfuck on the driver front for much of its life on account to making major changes in the Windows Kernel at the time. Pretty much everything had problems at the time and it pretty much wiped out companies like Creative which was a shame because their EAX audio was quite great.Kinda surprised Windows Vista didn't affect Nvidia's numbers during 2006-2007 since Microsoft blames Nvidia for many crashes.
It's the same as any burgeoning monopoly. It's important that people buy AMD products to keep them competitive but you need a large group of people who put market health above their own needs. That will never happen.I feel it's important for all PC fans, including Nvidia fans, that a competitive AMD exists. While I think Nvidia's products have been quite good, Nvidia the company has shown that they will leverage their marketshare advantage in ways that do not really benefit the consumer. AMD is the only company that has any chance to keep them in check and if that chart is accurate, I find it a bit worrying.
The irony of this post
It's the same as any burgeoning monopoly. It's important that people buy AMD products to keep them competitive but you need a large group of people who put market health above their own needs. That will never happen.
Last ATI card I had was an X800XT: it was awesome even though it was only SM 9.0b.
But since then I have only gone with NV GPUs... and for good reason, everything about them is better. Sorry AMD, you are still playing catch up :/
The funny thing is, I dont even consider buying AMD hardware ever any longer. The last time I considered it was around the R600 era, but we know how that turned out.
Tons of people are in this camp. This camp where they shit talk on AMD without having owned one of their products. As someone who builds multiple rigs and owned at least 10 of both AMD's and Nvidia's GPUs over the past 5 years, I personally would say much of the perceived shittiness of AMD is just forum talk like this. There have been some great AMD cards over the past years, including times where AMD was clearly the better value purchase in different price ranges.
nvidia cards aren't any quieter than their amd counterparts if you ignore reference coolers (almost nobody has a reference 290/290X, and nobody is making/selling them anymore). they draw more power, true, but nvidias quoted TDP figures are far far too conservative, the cards often exceed them under load, where AMD cards rarely hit their TDP figures (unless overclocked). its just another way nvidia is lying to people really. I have a 290X in a silverstone RVZ01B case, heat isn't an issue, at all, so stop spreading fud please.
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would you look at that, aftermarket 290X is quieter than a GTX 970? you don't say?
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what's that? 290X only uses 30 - 60 watts more than GTX 970? not the 150+ more watts people are constantly claiming? come on get real with that nonsense about heat/power and noise.
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what's this? the aftermarket 290X runs cooler than the GTX 970 (and thus 980 as well)? Gee.......
or how about you stop linking to reviews and tests of reference designs, which throttle under load and run hot. did anandtech review a sapphire 290/290X? did anandtech compare it with an aftermarket overclocked 970 and 980? if the answer is no, then anandtech are the ones being unprofessional and/or deliberately biased (which, i might add, isn't a new thing for Anand Lal Shimpi, he's got a very huge apple bias, among other things, so why should i trust his site over another?)
EDIT: i see that he hasn't reviewed a single aftermarket 290/290X at all, but has done several aftermarket nvidia reviews. this shows a clear bias.
That's a shame, AMD cards historically often had a much better than performance/price ratio than Nvidia's cards. I don't where it stands today exactly, but it would surprise me if Nvidia has trumped AMD in that regard.
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