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[kruis]

Though GPU shipments overall have fallen by 7.9% year over year and 14.5% quarter over quarter, NVIDIA has laid down markers as the leading force in the GPU sector. The fall in graphics has been caused by consumer anticipation for next gen GPUs, namely NVIDIA's RTX 50 series, AMD's RX 8000 series, which have been tipped to rekindle the market.

My crystal ball prediction is that Nvidia's upcoming 50x0 cards will be at least 10-15% more expensive than the previous ones so Nvidia's GPU revenues will remain at the same level as before. Without any competition whatsoever Nvidia can do whatever the fuck it wants.

 

[EN250]

They just let AMD "compete" so no regulatory suit can be pushed about a monopoly and since it's highly unlikely that another player joins to compete, it cannot be any claims about an oligopoly either

 

[Drew1440]

Im doing my part with my previous 6700xt and current 7900xt. Really don’t get the hate AMD GPUs get.

People still assume their drivers suck which hasn't been the case for years.

 

[Bojji]

People still assume their drivers suck which hasn't been the case for years.

They don't suck but are still worse than Nvidia drivers. I had few driver related problems with AMD drivers (like persona 4 crashing) while at the same time pretty much zero driver problems on Nvidia. This is 2022-24 time frame.

 

[LordOcidax]

That’s a bunch of 4060 and 3060.

 

[MikeM]

People still assume their drivers suck which hasn't been the case for years.

Yeah I still am careful and only upgrade if I absolutely need to. Still running 23.11.1.

They don't suck but are still worse than Nvidia drivers. I had few driver related problems with AMD drivers (like persona 4 crashing) while at the same time pretty much zero driver problems on Nvidia. This is 2022-24 time frame.

I don’t think Nvidia is immune to the odd game issue either.

 

[TNT Sheep]

Im doing my part with my previous 6700xt and current 7900xt. Really don’t get the hate AMD GPUs get.

Same here but with a RX 5700 and 7900XT instead. I even had a cheap PC back in the day with one of AMD's first APUs (A8-3850).

 

[Zacfoldor]

It's a catch 22.

Run the good cards with the good software today and get super expensive cards in the future.

Or nerf yourself today with a lesser/headache card and reap lower prices from the brand you actually want in the future.

Nobody is going to nerf their gaming PC they built themselves for the good of PC gaming, so it's not even a question. Also there is safety in numbers. Being the odd man out with a weird card is inherently dangerous to your status quo.

 

[Spyxos]

That is bad, really bad for all of us.

 

[Varteras]

 

[manfestival]

even when AMD had a great line up with the 6000 series. people just endlessly dogged on it because it was AMD. However, the products were competitive. Just people are pretty hardcore nvidia fanboys and they just tell everyone else to go nvidia. For the past 20 years I have kinda gone between the brands and currently running a 4090 and 4080 but last gen I had a 6800xt(it was fantastic). The 7000 series has been weird and mostly because of AMD changing the naming scheme and the chiplet for the xtx. The worst part was the pricing for most of their products. they had such a great opportunity at launch but then ruined it. I imagine this had to do with them knowing they were going to drop the pricing but the damage has been done. Also 7800xt being = to 6800xt is trash too.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

radeon needs a reboot

i dont even consider amd cards anymore

 

[Rosoboy19]

I'd jump in a heartbeat really if one of those other companies offered comparable products. They just don't.

This. I mainly game on console these days but my two sons have gaming pc’s that I have built for them with nVidia gpu’s because they make the most consistent, high quality product (hardware and drivers). I don’t feel like dealing with my sons asking me why their gpu is crashing or runs terribly on the latest free-to-play game that just released 2 hours ago. NVidia, regrettably, gets my money.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Im doing my part with my previous 6700xt and current 7900xt. Really don’t get the hate AMD GPUs get.

Ditto, I'm currently running a 7900 xtx and haven't had any issues at all. Before this I had nothing but Nvidia cards for a long while, the last AMD card I had was the Radeon 9800 XT.

I'm excited to see where the competition goes in the future. I just want solid GPUs for the best price they possibly can be. Them getting more and more expensive is kind of concerning.

 

[Denton]

Best company in its industry is most successful, news at eleven.

AMD and Intel need to step up their game and fast. Today's Intel B580 is decent first baby step.

 

[Unknown?]

That and nVidia for all their faults are very forward looking and deliver the goods. It's just a shame they have no issues demanding a premium and annoyingly skimp on vram.

Do they? Their cards release yearly with barely any increase in power and way more pricey.

 

[diffusionx]

We need the DOJ to take a long hard look at their actions because it seems obvious they engage in blatantly anticompetitive illegal behavior with their market position.

 

[Schmendrick]

Well, even China started looking into Nvidia concerning anti monopoly laws recently....
The only thing strange about that is why it took so long.
This situation is catastrophic for any consumer.

 

[Hohenheim]

This situation is catastrophic for any consumer.

Isn't this a bit dramatic? Sure, it would be cool of AMD and Intel got their shit together, and we could save some bucks for the top gpus. But honestly, I don't care too much if I pay some extra bucks for a quality product like a high end Nvidis GPU that will give lots of joy for many years.

It's nothing more than a high end mobile phone or a decent record player. And it's not like you need to spend 2000 dollars to get decent and good gaming experiences.
But sure, AMD stepping up would be nice, obviously.

 

[Goalus]

Could this mean that they will lower the price next year (since their competition is seemingly not a threat, they don't need to make that much money)?

 

[Schmendrick]

Isn't this a bit dramatic?

Not in the least.

It's nothing more than a high end mobile phone or a decent record player.

I don't think you understand what a monopoly means.
Imagine if suddenly only apple remained in the phone space and even their entry class phones suddenly started at 2 grand and you had only the choice to swallow that or never buy a phone again.
Without competition there is nothing to keep corporate greed within somewhat sane limits.

 

[Hohenheim]

Not in the least.


I don't think you understand what a monopoly means.
Imagine if suddenly only apple remained in the phone space and even their entry class phones suddenly started at 2 grand and you had only the choice to swallow that or never buy a phone again.
Without competition there is nothing to keep corporate greed within somewhat sane limits.

Of course I understand what monopoly is.. I mean.. come on!

Gpu's don't start at 2 grand.
The upcoming"gen" seems to have more competition than for quite a while in the low and mid range.
And yeah, of course I want competition!

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Should be 99%, there is literally no reason to buy AMD GPU in 2024

They just let AMD "compete" so no regulatory suit can be pushed about a monopoly and since it's highly unlikely that another player joins to compete, it cannot be any claims about an oligopoly either

Wouldn't be the first time. Intel used to keep a non-competitive AMD around in CPU's just to dodge antitrust investigations

Unfortunately for Intel, they also got arrogant and lazy and stopped innovating

Nvidia would do well to learn that lesson and not make the same mistake

 

[CLW]

I’m enjoying my 7900xtx and don’t understand how/why people live nvidia sooooo much seems like overpriced hype but obviously I’m in the minority in not caring at all about fps killer RT

 

[PeteBull]

It's a catch 22.

Run the good cards with the good software today and get super expensive cards in the future.

Or nerf yourself today with a lesser/headache card and reap lower prices from the brand you actually want in the future.

Nobody is going to nerf their gaming PC they built themselves for the good of PC gaming, so it's not even a question. Also there is safety in numbers. Being the odd man out with a weird card is inherently dangerous to your status quo.

Exactly, even if nvidia has some nasty premium, say 200$ over similar card from amd, working drivers are worth it, im not gonna experiment with amd or intel, i rather pay premium to get premium product.

 

[Mortisfacio]

Is majority of the AMD share just console GPUs?

 

[PeteBull]

I’m enjoying my 7900xtx and don’t understand how/why people live nvidia sooooo much seems like overpriced hype but obviously I’m in the minority in not caring at all about fps killer RT

Ur 7900xtx is amazing gpu, ofc u got nothing to worry about, at least next 2-3 years.
My 3080ti with its 12gigs of vram, will become irrelevant in 4k, likely by 2025

 

[Schmendrick]

Of course I understand what monopoly is.. I mean.. come on!

you claim to understand it and compare it with a highly competitive incomparable market like the one for smartphones the next second.

Gpu's don't start at 2 grand.

seriously? Do I really have to explain rethorics??

The upcoming"gen" seems to have more competition than for quite a while in the low and mid range.

maybe, maybe not. Nvidia or really anyone having 90% Marketshare is definitely the last thing any consumer can want. And yes it is downright catastrophic for consumers if a single player in the market has a position where he can almost freely dictate prices.

 

[Hohenheim]

you claim to understand it and compare it with a highly competitive incomparable market like the one for smartphones the next second.


seriously? Do I really have to explain rethorics??

maybe, maybe not. Nvidia or really anyone having 90% Marketshare is definitely the last thing any consumer can want. And yes it is downright catastrophic for consumers if a single player in the market has a position where he can almost freely dictate prices.

Listen, I get and totally agree that it's not ideal that Nvidia has 90% of the gpu marked share.
But all the dramatic reactions to the high prive of HIGH END gpus's makes it feel a lot worse than what it is. Gaming is totally fine without a 5090/4090. And for a lot of folks it's not such a extreme big deal to pay 2k for a high end gpu. Some of the response here makes it feel like it's the endtimes for gaming just because the abolute highest end of gpus are expensive, and because AMD is sitting this one out.

And the mobile phone comparison was just to state the fact that lots of people buy phones for that price every year, and it's not a major "sell a kidney" investment.

You can build a great gaming rig for a lot less than a 5090 will cost, and competition in that space seems to be quite good for the upcoming year.

And no, there's no don't explain rethorics.

Have a nice evening, buddy.

 

[Schmendrick]

Listen, I get and totally agree that it's not ideal that Nvidia has 90% of the gpu marked share.
But all the dramatic reactions to the high prive of HIGH END gpus's makes it feel a lot worse than what it is. Gaming is totally fine without a 5090/4090. And for a lot of folks it's not such a extreme big deal to pay 2k for a high end gpu. Some of the response here makes it feel like it's the endtimes for gaming just because the abolute highest end of gpus are expensive, and because AMD is sitting this one out.

And the mobile phone comparison was just to state the fact that lots of people buy phones for that price every year, and it's not a major "sell a kidney" investment.

You can build a great gaming rig for a lot less than a 5090 will cost, and competition in that space seems to be quite good for the upcoming year.

No one ever expected the absolute high end to be cheap...and that never was the point here to begin with so what are you even going on about?....unless you´ve slept under a rock these past years you might have heard that nvidia tried to make a fool out of everyone by basically relabeling their tiers while even raising their prices....
And they got away with it, because wthe competition is downright irrelevant at this point. And now their marketshare is even higher.
Go figure how this will continue.....

 

[Hohenheim]

No one ever expected the absolute high end to be cheap...and that never was the point here to begin with so what are you even going on about?....unless you´ve slept under a rock these past years you might have heard that nvidia tried to make a fool out of everyone by basically relabeling their tiers while even raising their prices....
And they got away with it, because wthe competition is downright irrelevant at this point. And now their marketshare is even higher.
Go figure how this will continue.....

Yeah. I know how this will continue, unless someone beside Nvidia step up their game or they start charging more than the majority of their customers are willing to pay for their product.
What i'm on about?
I don't really care too much about this. I'm just excited for the 5090, which will bring me lots of joy for several years. Lots of other hobbies costs a lot more than what you'll pay for a premium gaming experience in 2025. And you can get a great experience without giving Nvidia a penny too.

And yeah, maybe someone steps up their game at some point, giving Nvidia a run for its money in the high end. That would of course be cool.

Now i'll go back to sleep behind my rock.

 

[Kerotan]

PC bros are just going to keep getting bent over backwards regarding price. I'm surprised governments aren't stepping into. Surely such a dominant position in a very important sector is a dangerous scenario?

 

[Schmendrick]

I don't really care too much about this.

Then how about keeping your mouth shut how people are "overdramatizing" when you haven't given this a thought at all, are nowhere near the group that's even affected and have only plump whataboutism as an argument?

"Yeah I'll have fun with my cake. I haven't really thought about the doubling of bread prices, but you are totally overdramatizing. Also something completely unrelated is probably more expensive"

Now i'll go back to sleep behind my rock.

yes please...

 

[Rickyiez]

You guys really think AMD will try to one up Nvidia ? That won’t happen Jensen and Lisa are literally cousins they are in it together

 

[spons]

A quick look at the Steam survey and most NVIDIA products are the ones you shouldn't buy because AMD has better alternatives (3060 and 4060 come to mind). And now that Intel is in, the reason to get budget-tier NVIDIA GPUs has hit almost zero.
I get their high-end cards but do not understand the brand loyalty. I did ask someone for a reason to get one of those cards and it's always "AI/CUDA" and then they continue to play only rasterized games.

 

[Dr.D00p]

..and this is why 8GB of VRAM is still going to be a thing in 2025.

 

[Gamer79]

I was going to go AMD but the the Nvidia drivers are too good

 

[LavitzSlambert]

For all the PCMR touting, turns out they are the lowest IQ gamers who will overspend like crazy on GPUs they will run at 1080p and budget monitors, while saying 12GB of VRAM is ok on a high end card. AMD isn't innocent in this either, adding next to no value and content to eat the crumbs Nvidia leaves them. This is what happens when you have only 2 major vendors. Hope Intel will actually shake this up so we can go back to PC gaming at a reasonable value.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

AMD can drop their prices all they want. Won't matter. NVIDIA will also lower theirs and people will flock to NVIDIA.

There's no way around it. AMD has to release competitive products. They need to stop being the budget pity option that people pick because NVIDIA at that given price point is too expensive.

Yep AMD fucked up Intel when they released the Zen.