AMD FSR Redstone uses machine learning to achieve parity with Nvidia DLSS
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Bitstream
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yeah thats clear
just because someone says dlss4 is better than pssr or whatever doesn't mean they're trying to shit on sony
the pro delivers a great image and a big step up above fsr, but dlss especially the updated model is still one step ahead from pssr and fsr4 (which is actually quite good right now).
Most folks on the forum aren't here to console war, just tech enthusiasts with eyes trying to analyze and discuss
That said, there is a sony defense force, they're just on vacation right now..
SweetTooth & James Sawyer Ford
Can you point out where I ever discuss something like that? Do you people at least care to read what I'm really trying to say in my post. I never talked about DLSS in any of my posts or make any comparison.
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Ah the experts..
Bojji
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Their opinion it worth 1000x more than your posts on the subject.
The problem it's your opinions unfortunately.
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Excuse me? I'm ignorant because I dare to say PSSR it's not that terrible and DLSS can have issues? WTF going on there? Or maybe because I said video comparison are not tech analysis. You know what? Ignore list for me too.Lol Karim and his proudly ignorant stance on gfx is speedrunning his way to my blocklist
if you have a point to make just get to it bro
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Roman Empire
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I believe when I see the result without atrocious low internal resolutions. Until then it's all vaporware.
sendit
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Crayon
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Bojji
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So what counter arguments you have against what they said about redstone in that video?
LordOcidax
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For AMD to reach parity with Nvidia with this kind of tech, Nvidia needs to stop improving for at least two years…
Physiognomonics
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It's in the realm of possibilities right now. Cerny is litteraly a genius in this field. PS4 and PS5 hardware are a success story (cheap to build, easy to develop on, efficient and with plenty of innovation, ahead of the curve with GPU compute on PS4 and super fast I/O for PS5) because of him. Who knows what he is going to cook for PS6.
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bender
What time is it?
In that case, #TeamBoomer.
RodriGames40
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If there is anyone that can make pathtracing standard in console, it's him... And turns out, that's his current goal.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Bitstream
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Because cerny is designing hardware paradigms based on years of experience in gamedev
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
You think Cerny knows how to build chips? Hint: he doesn't. He has actual engineers on his team who know about silicon. His job is to have a general view of the console and what they can have for a certain budget. He's not gonna beat a team of the best engineers on the planet because he oversaw 2 consoles, including a mediocre one.
Bitstream
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Who said anything about chips? You think I'm daft enough to think he's trying to stack transistors on silicon in a tsmc lab?
I also never mentioned consoles in my post so don't throw that view on me either.
I'm referring to the joint collaboration between sony and amd, project amethyst.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
What do you think NVIDIA does? You said because of Cerny, AMD and Sony could leave NVIDIA in the dust. They'll need a lot more than a system architect to beat the best engineers on the planet.
"designing hardware paradigms" refers to consoles, does it not?
SHAKEZ
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I mean one down, another to go.
Bitstream
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i'm not referring to cerny's work designing consoles,
>but in each case he had a budget and a timeline and was able to deliver a comparitively powerful experience even if it didnt exceed the seriesX in raw tFlops
As for conversations about 'best engineers on the planet', you're assuming that people never switch jobs.
Nvidia has already said, they're not a graphics card company anymore
You realize both teams can be highly successful and in the end all gamers win because of their competition, right?
When AMD released FSR frame gen as open source, it was a win for nvidia customers who got screwed out of the 40series frame gen
Even if project amethyst makes cutting edge open source tools that aren't best in class, it would be a win for gamers everywhere.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Then what the fuck are you referring to?
Bitstream
Member
I'm talking about this partnership, you fucking unread peasant.
Don't take that tone with me bro.
I've been cordial despite your reading comprehension problems
show me where in my post i said console:
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I'll take whatever tone I want. Quit whining.
You said "Cerny is designing hardware paradigms". Other than consoles, what has Cerny designed? Project Amethyst only came to fruition a few months ago. It hasn't produced any hardware paradigms, so it cannot be that. Again, other than consoles, what the fuck can you be talking about?
My reading comprehension is fine. You can't type for shit and don't know what hardware or paradigm means.
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Physiognomonics
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Cerny designs hardware, technologies and APIs. He doesn't design silicon but he directs the AMD teams what he wants for his consoles. Like the ML silicon for PS5 Pro is owned and designed by Sony (Cerny's team).
He is an architect. Compare him to the architect guy who designed Xbox series and the results. Both had access to AMD teams who simply followed the direction from the bearded man.
Come on you know Cerny has patented most of this designs for PS4, PSVR1, PS5 and PSVR2. AMD didn't. And he designs (direct) stuff down to the cache (PS5 custom caches), bus, silicon (what kind of ML hardware) level if needed.
Finally FSR4 wouldn't even exist without Cerny. PSSR been litteraly the prototype (tailored to run on PS5 Pro) they (Cerny's team) used to build FSR4 along with AMD who have much more GPU compute power to train their models.
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Feature parity is nice, but AMD needs to focus on having party with Nvidia when it comes to ray tracing performance, especially in path tracing where they are miles behind. And when it comes to basic upscaling AMD has nothing that can compete with clarity of DLSS4. These are basics that should be the focus first.
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YeulEmeralda
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Well I am a boomer and my reaction time can be measured in minutes so...
Frame gen my shit up.
Also a 500 console will NEVER beat a 1500 GPU. It doesn't matter how much of a genius Cerny is. PlayStation will always be restricted by budget and the amount of energy its allowed to use.
Anyone expecting PS6 to have liquid cooling?
Frame gen my shit up.
Also a 500 console will NEVER beat a 1500 GPU. It doesn't matter how much of a genius Cerny is. PlayStation will always be restricted by budget and the amount of energy its allowed to use.
Anyone expecting PS6 to have liquid cooling?
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
You're giving Cerny far too much credit.
The Series X is also a solid machine in its own right with different strengths. I don't see why you're using it as some sort of evidence to support Cerny's genius.
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I mean there are tons of counter arguments against what they said in the past but sure you can continue to think they are the major "tech expert" and they were always right, why not. Now you can post a laugh reaction.
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No offence but even Lisa su call him a genius. Guess a couple of things he knew it. Anyway call the ps4 a piece of crap seems a bit exaggerate.
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TheRaidenPT
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Not impressed by the Ray Reconstruction but it's a WIP at the end of the day. Looking forward to se this running on UDNA when the time comes.
TBH the more competition the better
TBH the more competition the better
TheRaidenPT
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This is true, there's a lot of work behind the scenes navigating Radeon through Cerny, we can now see all that work coming in frutition from AMD R&D teams in Japan.. which work with Sony as it's their primary semi conductor client to the Radeon group..
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
She did?
Yes when she talked about the collaboration with him in an interview about navi if I remember right
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Bojji
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They are sometimes wrong and they miss stuff. They are also humans, this can happen.
Most of the time their content is good and what they are saying makes sense. Some fanboys hate them because they don't praise their systems of choice enough or even dare to criticize them...
I think it not just matter of humans mistakes but more to spread uncorrect narrative too often and then retreat as nothing as overprizing or overcriticize based on their brand sympathy.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Never found it.
Sorry I have confuse "he is an idiot" with "he is a genius" probably. The sound it's very similar.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Or you can just link it. It doesn't really matter either way, but I wanted to hear what she had to say about the partnership.