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[Coulomb_Barrier]

Where is the actual gaming performance? I have a 7700k at 5Ghz and I need to see how it stacks up against these new chips. These benchmarks that are out seem a bit selective. We have the firestrike physics score but where is the firestrike extreme score? I want these to be amazing but will chips greater than 4 cores make a difference for gaming?

If you have a 7700K why are you looking at these anyway? Given the choice I'd certainly pick an 8/6-core over that but if you've already purchased the Kabylake it'll be fine to sit on...for a year or so.

Nice to see that 28th Feb release date almost confirmed.

 

[Oxn]

Sucks to buy a quad core in 2017.

Once they release a mini itx board, the 1700x will be mine.

An octocore mini itx build???? Yummy.

I know the x99 has one, but that asrock board sucks.

 

[kami_sama]

Prices again: AMD Ryzen 7 available for prorder from European retailer

Ufff, A little higher than I had hoped.

 

[Thraktor]

Sucks to buy a quad core in 2017.

Once they release a mini itx board, the 1700x will be mine.

An octocore mini itx build???? Yummy.

I know the x99 has one, but that asrock board sucks.

AMD have announced a dedicated chipset for mini ITX motherboards (the X300), so I'd be surprised if there weren't mini ITX boards available at, or at least very near launch.

Ufff, A little higher than I had hoped.

What exactly were you expecting? Under €400 inc VAT for an overclockable 8C/16T chip is definitely cheaper than I would have expected, even if per-core performance is well behind Intel.

 

[Riesenfass]

I was planning on building a new PC the first half of this year, and was going to get a 7700K... Things just got interesting. Curious to see final prices and benchmarks like everyone else. I've been PC gaming since the mid-90s and never had an AMD CPU before.

 

[opticalmace]

I was planning on building a new PC the first half of this year, and was going to get a 7700K... Things just got interesting. Curious to see final prices and benchmarks like everyone else. I've been PC gaming since the mid-90s and never had an AMD CPU before.

My last AMD CPU was an Athlon 64 3000+ a long time ago. I hope Ryzen delivers! It would give me an excuse to make a 8-core/16-thread box to hang out with my 6700k.

 

[kami_sama]

AMD have announced a dedicated chipset for mini ITX motherboards (the X300), so I'd be surprised if there weren't mini ITX boards available at, or at least very near launch.



What exactly were you expecting? Under €400 inc VAT for an overclockable 8C/16T chip is definitely cheaper than I would have expected, even if per-core performance is well behind Intel.

It's almost 500€ with vat included, I wanted what you said, so around 100€ less.

 

[Khaz]

AMD have announced a dedicated chipset for mini ITX motherboards (the X300), so I'd be surprised if there weren't mini ITX boards available at, or at least very near launch.

I thought the A/B/X300 were for embedded systems? Like laptops, SFF and NUCs, that have custom motherboards. It's for mini ITX too?

 

[kami_sama]

It seems there's some disparity of prices, from a french retailer:

410€ for a OCable 8c/16t CPU? Yes please.

 

[LelouchZero]

It seems there's some disparity of prices, from a french retailer:


410€ for a OCable 8c/16t CPU? Yes please.

Aren't they all supposed to be overclockable?

 

[kabel]

410€ for a OCable 8c/16t CPU? Yes please.

The 1700 without the X is also OCable

The difference is that you have to do it manually(like the k CPUs from Intel) instead of letting the CPUs OC itself.

X = eXtended Frequency Range = CPU OCs by itself until your cooling solution can't keep up anymore.

 

[kami_sama]

Aren't they all supposed to be overclockable?

Yes, I meant the automatic overclock that comes with the X models. It raises every core clock if there's thermal headroom for it. You don't need to change any bios setting, it's done all inside the cpu. SO you could get a better cooler and instantly get better performance.

The 1700 without the X is also OCable

The difference is that you have to do it manually(like the k CPUs from Intel) instead of letting the CPUs OC itself.

X = eXtended Frequency Range = CPU OCs by itself until your cooling solution can't keep up anymore.

LOL

 

[ValfarHL]

I'll clock the old fashioned way thank you you very much!

 

[Kambing]

Feel's really weird to take AMD CPU's into consideration for my next build. Really anticipating reviews, hope the chips deliver. I will be upgrading from a 2500k.

On a side note, are we potentially looking at the chips that may power next gen consoles CPU's? If these chips perform like the leaked benches, would make for one of the biggest jumps for CPU's between gens i would imagine? Jaguar to Zen is pretty nuts.

 

[kabel]

I'll clock the old fashioned way thank you you very much!

But consider that to ensure the OC of the X CPUs these will be selected by the silicon quality.

e.g 1700 can only reach 4.1Ghz OC while some 1700X may be in the 4.2-4.3Ghz range.


Just my assumption!

 

[What A Time To Be Alive]

But consider that to ensure the OC of the X CPUs these will be selected by the silicon quality.

e.g 1700 can only reach 4.1Ghz OC while some 1700X may be in the 4.2-4.3Ghz range.


Just my assumption!

Yeah I can see the X variants being binned. I feel they should be anyways.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Feel's really weird to take AMD CPU's into consideration for my next build. Really anticipating reviews, hope the chips deliver. I will be upgrading from a 2500k.

On a side note, are we potentially looking at the chips that may power next gen consoles CPU's? If these chips perform like the leaked benches, would make for one of the biggest jumps for CPU's between gens i would imagine? Jaguar to Zen is pretty nuts.

Zen+ is the likely candidate. Basically a Ryzen with architectural enhancements and a possible die shrink to GF's 7nm node.

 

[Rushersauce]

I remember the Bulldozer leaks were pretty much showing how much of a flop they would be.
That's why now I'm hopeful.

 

[shandy706]

Ufff, A little higher than I had hoped.

That's the R7s. That's about what I'd expect.

I'm curios about the 6 Core prices and performance.

Also, US prices will probably be lower.

 

[Donniewahlberg]

Feel's really weird to take AMD CPU's into consideration for my next build. Really anticipating reviews, hope the chips deliver. I will be upgrading from a 2500k.

Similar thoughts man, I haven't been gaming on pc that long relatively so it's always just been Intel cpu for me. Definitely keeping my eye on this, especially if it does turn out a lot more bang for buck, or lower prices for the same.

 

[Oachkatzlschwoaf]

I'll clock the old fashioned way thank you you very much!

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Oh now we're talking.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

I feel like my 6700K is so out of date already if this ends up as good as it sounds. If the leaked prices are right I could pay between £300-400 for a cpu with a similar performance of broadwell e?

I hope amd really pull this off. If it gets intel moving its a win win for everyone. I won't ditch my 6700K but it would be cool to consider an AMD cpu for my next pc. Same goes for GPU. Would love to one day have a PC with both amd cpu + gpu.

 

[thelastword]

Key word!

Let's be careful, everyone. R600 and Bulldozer still have me quaking.

I know the hype police is here....but......

Some pretty interesting numbers so far, but the price to perf ratio just slays....

 

[The Hamburglar]

Ufff, A little higher than I had hoped.

those prices don't look much better than intel.

 

[Vipu]

The 1700 without the X is also OCable

The difference is that you have to do it manually(like the k CPUs from Intel) instead of letting the CPUs OC itself.

X = eXtended Frequency Range = CPU OCs by itself until your cooling solution can't keep up anymore.

To me this sounds like non X is better, its always better to have less automatic stuff when you want to do stuff.
Depending of course how many options there is.

 

[StereoVsn]

those prices don't look much better than intel.

You can pick up 8 core/16 thread Intel chip for near €500?

 

[nubbe]

those prices don't look much better than intel.

what you smoking?

 

[Vipu]

You can pick up 8 core/16 thread Intel chip for near €500?

I see 386€ being cheapest on that page tho...

 

[shandy706]

Ufff, A little higher than I had hoped.

those prices don't look much better than intel.

Guys, this is one of the chips the $500+- AMD Ryzen is being compared to performance wise.

That's literally half price.

That R5 that's up against the $600 i7 6850k, I wonder how much it will be???...half price or better again. Crazy

I really hope these tests are accurate.

 

[DieH@rd]

Asrock and Biostar AM4 boards:

• ASROCK X370 TAICHI
• ASROCK X370 FATAL1TY PROFESSIONAL GAMING
• ASROCK AB350 FATAL1TY Gaming K4
• ASROCK AB350 PRO4
• ASROCK AB350M PRO4

• BIOSTAR X370 RACING GT7
• BIOSTAR X370 RACING GT5
• BIOSTAR X370 RACING GT3
• BIOSTAR X370 RACING GTN
• BIOSTAR B350 RACING GT3
• BIOSTAR B350 RACING GT5
• BIOSTAR B350 RACING GTN

 

[Machspeed007]

Does anyone know if Ryzen will support UHD BluRay drives? I know that you need Kaby Lake + Win10 for that, what about AMD?
It's not a dealbraker but interesting to know nevertheless.

 

[Marmelade]

those prices don't look much better than intel.

The R7 1700 (8 cores / 16 threads) is 345€ VAT inc according to that pc21.fr screenshot
That's cheaper (by a hair) than the 6700k (4C/8T) here in France

 

[LeleSocho]

the X processors are the ones with SMT (Hyperthreading in Intel's term)?

 

[Thraktor]

I thought the A/B/X300 were for embedded systems? Like laptops, SFF and NUCs, that have custom motherboards. It's for mini ITX too?

I've read a few articles referring to A/B/X300 as being intended for Mini-ITX, but looking at AMD's slide on the chipset lineup (here), they just refer to them as the SFF segment, which could be either Mini-ITX or SFF integrated systems like NUC or Brix or so forth. The Ryzen lineup wouldn't really be suitable for the latter, with the lack of IGP, but as they're using the same socket for their upcoming APUs it's possible that they'll be held off for them (or used with existing Bristol Ridge chips).

Anyway, whether it's X/B300 or X370 or B350, I'd be surprised if there weren't Mini-ITX options available at launch. It's a decent portion of the self-build market these days, so it wouldn't make sense to ignore.

It's almost 500€ with vat included, I wanted what you said, so around 100€ less.

Yes, I meant the automatic overclock that comes with the X models. It raises every core clock if there's thermal headroom for it. You don't need to change any bios setting, it's done all inside the cpu. SO you could get a better cooler and instantly get better performance.

As others have mentioned, the R7 1700 is overclockable, and it manual OC'ing will almost certainly allow you to hit both higher clocks and lower temperatures than any auto-OC system. I'd be interested to see AMD's approach to this, as it's possible that a system built into the CPU could do a better job than the auto-OC you see featured in many motherboards, but even then I couldn't imagine it approaching even a simple manual overclock.

the X processors are the ones with SMT (Hyperthreading in Intel's term)?

All the R5 and R7 models have SMT, leaving only the R3 (entry level 4C/4T CPUs) without. R5 includes both 4C/8T and 6C/12T chips and all the R7 CPUs are 8C/16T.

 

[Datschge]

Does anyone know if Ryzen will support UHD BluRay drives? I know that you need Kaby Lake + Win10 for that, what about AMD?
It's not a dealbraker but interesting to know nevertheless.

That's actually dependent on the GPU. And as these Ryzen models don't have a iGPU...

 

[Deleted member 59090]

Asrock and Biostar AM4 boards

They had them at CES.

 

[spwolf]

As others have mentioned, the R7 1700 is overclockable, and it manual OC'ing will almost certainly allow you to hit both higher clocks and lower temperatures than any auto-OC system. I'd be interested to see AMD's approach to this, as it's possible that a system built into the CPU could do a better job than the auto-OC you see featured in many motherboards, but even then I couldn't imagine it approaching even a simple manual overclock.

i am having hard time imaging how X ones wont be picked for more headroom vs 1700's. And you will be able to manually overclock them all.

 

[DieH@rd]

the X processors are the ones with SMT (Hyperthreading in Intel's term)?

No, X have activated EFR feature [Extended Frequency Range] which is automated overclocking. CPU will monitor cooling and power and overlock as much as it can above max boost whenever it can.

SMT is present in everything except in the cheapest 4 core/4 thread CPUs.

 

[Thraktor]

i am having hard time imaging how X ones wont be picked for more headroom vs 1700's. And you will be able to manually overclock them all.

There may be some extra overclocking headroom on the X models, depending on how AMD bins the chips, but it's impossible to say how much of a benefit you'll get until we see reviews (and preferably a good sample size on overclocking for each one). With the X chips anywhere from 20-60% more expensive than the 1700, though, I very much doubt the extra overclocking headroom would be worth it from a pure performance per Euro metric.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

What type of board is the 1700x going into? B350 or X370?

 

[Rushersauce]

What type of board is the 1700x going into? B350 or X370?

Into any AM4 mobo

 

[ShadowKingpin]

Into any AM4 mobo

Oh snap. I really hope the Fatil1ty mobo is reasonably priced.

 

[LelouchZero]

Damn, it's almost been half a decade since AMD launched new performance-tier CPUs.

I'm really looking forward to Ryzen and hope for the best, my i7 4790K at 4.8GHz has been serving me well since I got it in June 2015 but I greatly anticipate how the CPU market is going to change on the launch of these new CPUs.

With the leaked/rumored prices for Ryzen it may be one of the best purchases you could make for a CPU in a long time, especially the 6+ core model, but we'll see when it launches and we have reviews for the processors.

I'd like to upgrade to a 6 or 8 core CPU with IPC gains of around 20% but so far this CPU has been keeping my minimum frame-rate well above 60 fps in all of the games I play, with how well CPUs stay relevant in terms of performance you could probably sit on a 6 or 8 core Ryzen CPU for 5+ years if the IPC is around Haswell's.

The i7 2600K that launched in January 2011 is finally starting to show it's age, as the Skylake and Kaby Lake CPUs coupled with 3000MHz+ ram are up-to around 40% faster than it clock for clock, and more games are scaling past 4 core CPUs, even those with SMT.

Ryzen looks to be incredibly promising but I'll keep my hype at sensible levels until we see some reviews!

 

[Thraktor]

What type of board is the 1700x going into? B350 or X370?

As Rushersauce says, you could use it with any AM4 motherboard, but overclocking is only supported on B350 and X370, so I would imagine you would want to go with one of those to make the most out of the 1700X.

Damn, it's almost been half a decade since AMD launched new performance-tier CPUs.

I'm really looking forward to Ryzen and hope for the best, my i7 4790K at 4.8GHz has been serving me well since I got it in June 2015 but I greatly anticipate how the CPU market is going to change on the launch of these new CPUs.

With the leaked/rumored prices for Ryzen it may be one of the best purchases you could make for a CPU in a long time, especially the 6+ core model, but we'll see when it launches and we have reviews for the processors.

I'd like to upgrade to a 6 or 8 core CPU with IPC gains of around 20% but so far this CPU has been keeping my minimum frame-rate well above 60 fps in all of the games I play, with how well CPUs stay relevant in terms of performance you could probably sit on a 6 or 8 core Ryzen CPU for 5+ years if the IPC is around Haswell's.

The i7 2600K that launched in January 2011 is finally starting to show it's age, as the Skylake and Kaby Lake CPUs coupled with 3000MHz+ ram are up-to around 40% faster than it clock for clock, and more games are scaling past 4 core CPUs, even those with SMT.

Ryzen looks to be incredibly promising but I'll keep my hype at sensible levels until we see some reviews!

If it's a gaming PC I can't imagine there'd be any reason to upgrade from a 4790K at 4.8GHz. Hell, I just upgraded to a 4770K and I expect to get at least a couple of years out of it.

 

[Pagusas]

Will their be ITX AM4 boards?

 

[Delusibeta]

What type of board is the 1700x going into? B350 or X370?

In theory, both. In practice, if you're spending that much cheddar on your processor, you might as well pay the extra for the X370 and get all of the bells and whistles it provides.

Will their be ITX AM4 boards?

Yes. There's ITX specific chipsets, with the X300 supporting overclocking, and subsequently will probably be the chiptype that most people in this thread will want. There's also A300 and B300, which won't support overclocking.

 

[LeleSocho]

All the R5 and R7 models have SMT, leaving only the R3 (entry level 4C/4T CPUs) without. R5 includes both 4C/8T and 6C/12T chips and all the R7 CPUs are 8C/16T.

No, X have activated EFR feature [Extended Frequency Range] which is automated overclocking. CPU will monitor cooling and power and overlock as much as it can above max boost whenever it can.

SMT is present in everything except in the cheapest 4 core/4 thread CPUs.

Woah... 8c/16t for ~390€ is incredible value

 

[ShadowKingpin]

May I ask what the major importance of two extra PCIE 2 lanes are?

 

[Paragon]

Guys, this is one of the chips the $500+- AMD Ryzen is being compared to performance wise.
That's literally half price.

Yes, but gamers are generally used to buying i5s that are $240, not $1050 CPUs.
Even if the Ryzen part is the same or better performance as a 6900K for half the price, it's still twice the price of that i5.
Obviously they are going to be offering parts in that price range as well, but that's why people are looking at the 8 core parts and wishing they were cheaper.

That R5 that's up against the $600 i7 6850k, I wonder how much it will be???...half price or better again. Crazy
I really hope these tests are accurate.

Many of the tests appear to have turbo disabled on the Intel chips if the listed clockspeeds are correct, while most people buying those CPUs will be overclocking them.
And we still haven't seen any gaming tests.

Wait until Digital Foundry reviews Ryzen before rushing out and buying one, since they're one of the few sites that actually do good CPU testing in games.
Based on their test suite, I'm expecting them to be trading blows instead of one being a clear winner.
Some of the games seem to like cores, some like frequency, and some like memory bandwidth.
I'd like to see them add some more games into the mix since this is going to be the first time in years that AMD might be competitive, but that's probably a lot of work.

Does anyone know if Ryzen will support UHD BluRay drives? I know that you need Kaby Lake + Win10 for that, what about AMD?
It's not a dealbraker but interesting to know nevertheless.

Nope.
Doesn't have the DRM support, and I believe you have to connect your display to the iGPU with a Kaby Lake system for UHD Blu-ray or 4K Netflix.

As others have mentioned, the R7 1700 is overclockable, and it manual OC'ing will almost certainly allow you to hit both higher clocks and lower temperatures than any auto-OC system.

That generally hasn't been true with NVIDIA's GPU Boost 3.0, which is the closest thing to AMD's XFR.
The X parts are likely to be higher binned too.

Of course that only matters if you care about efficiency.
If you're just going to disable power saving features and lock it to a single clockspeed, disabling turbo, then a fixed overclock may be capable of matching it.

I do wonder how quickly Ryzen will be able to clock up/down. We know that it has very fine-grained control - 25MHz compared to 100MHz on Intel (is it still 100MHz steps on current Intel chips?) - but Intel can go from idle to maximum clocks in ~15ms.