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America No. 1?

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goodcow

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8191.htm

America No. 1?
America by the numbers
by Michael Ventura

02/03/05 "ICH" - - No concept lies more firmly embedded in our national character than the notion that the USA is "No. 1," "the greatest." Our broadcast media are, in essence, continuous advertisements for the brand name "America Is No. 1." Any office seeker saying otherwise would be committing political suicide. In fact, anyone saying otherwise will be labeled "un-American." We're an "empire," ain't we? Sure we are. An empire without a manufacturing base. An empire that must borrow $2 billion a day from its competitors in order to function. Yet the delusion is ineradicable. We're No. 1. Well...this is the country you really live in:

* The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).
* The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
* Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).
* "The International Adult Literacy Survey...found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).
* Our workers are so ignorant and lack so many basic skills that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004). No wonder they relocate elsewhere!
* "The European Union leads the U.S. in...the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).
* "Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).
* Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).
* Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.
* The World Health Organization "ranked the countries of the world in terms of overall health performance, and the U.S. [was]...37th." In the fairness of health care, we're 54th. "The irony is that the United States spends more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world" (The European Dream, pp.79-80). Pay more, get lots, lots less.
* "The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80). Excuse me, but since when is South Africa a "developed" country? Anyway, that's the company we're keeping.
* Lack of health insurance coverage causes 18,000 unnecessary American deaths a year. (That's six times the number of people killed on 9/11.) (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005.)
* "U.S. childhood poverty now ranks 22nd, or second to last, among the developed nations. Only Mexico scores lower" (The European Dream, p.81). Been to Mexico lately? Does it look "developed" to you? Yet it's the only "developed" country to score lower in childhood poverty.
* Twelve million American families--more than 10 percent of all U.S. households--"continue to struggle, and not always successfully, to feed themselves." Families that "had members who actually went hungry at some point last year" numbered 3.9 million (NYT, Nov. 22, 2004).
* The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
* Women are 70 percent more likely to die in childbirth in America than in Europe (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
* The leading cause of death of pregnant women in this country is murder (CNN, Dec. 14, 2004).
* "Of the 20 most developed countries in the world, the U.S. was dead last in the growth rate of total compensation to its workforce in the 1980s.... In the 1990s, the U.S. average compensation growth rate grew only slightly, at an annual rate of about 0.1 percent" (The European Dream, p.39). Yet Americans work longer hours per year than any other industrialized country, and get less vacation time.
* "Sixty-one of the 140 biggest companies on the Global Fortune 500 rankings are European, while only 50 are U.S. companies" (The European Dream, p.66). "In a recent survey of the world's 50 best companies, conducted by Global Finance, all but one were European" (The European Dream, p.69).
* "Fourteen of the 20 largest commercial banks in the world today are European.... In the chemical industry, the European company BASF is the world's leader, and three of the top six players are European. In engineering and construction, three of the top five companies are European.... The two others are Japanese. Not a single American engineering and construction company is included among the world's top nine competitors. In food and consumer products, Nestlé and Unilever, two European giants, rank first and second, respectively, in the world. In the food and drugstore retail trade, two European companies...are first and second, and European companies make up five of the top ten. Only four U.S. companies are on the list" (The European Dream, p.68).
* The United States has lost 1.3 million jobs to China in the last decade (CNN, Jan. 12, 2005).
* U.S. employers eliminated 1 million jobs in 2004 (The Week, Jan. 14, 2005).
* Three million six hundred thousand Americans ran out of unemployment insurance last year; 1.8 million--one in five--unemployed workers are jobless for more than six months (NYT, Jan. 9, 2005).
* Japan, China, Taiwan, and South Korea hold 40 percent of our government debt. (That's why we talk nice to them.) "By helping keep mortgage rates from rising, China has come to play an enormous and little-noticed role in sustaining the American housing boom" (NYT, Dec. 4, 2004). Read that twice. We owe our housing boom to China, because they want us to keep buying all that stuff they manufacture.
* Sometime in the next 10 years Brazil will probably pass the U.S. as the world's largest agricultural producer. Brazil is now the world's largest exporter of chickens, orange juice, sugar, coffee, and tobacco. Last year, Brazil passed the U.S. as the world's largest beef producer. (Hear that, you poor deluded cowboys?) As a result, while we bear record trade deficits, Brazil boasts a $30 billion trade surplus (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
* As of last June, the U.S. imported more food than it exported (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
* Bush: 62,027,582 votes. Kerry: 59,026,003 votes. Number of eligible voters who didn't show up: 79,279,000 (NYT, Dec. 26, 2004). That's more than a third. Way more. If more than a third of Iraqis don't show for their election, no country in the world will think that election legitimate.
* One-third of all U.S. children are born out of wedlock. One-half of all U.S. children will live in a one-parent house (CNN, Dec. 10, 2004).
* "Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).
* "Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).
* Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).
* "Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).
* "The International Association of Chiefs of Police said that cuts by the [Bush] administration in federal aid to local police agencies have left the nation more vulnerable than ever" (USA Today, Nov. 17, 2004).

No. 1? In most important categories we're not even in the Top 10 anymore. Not even close.

The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion.

Reprinted from the Austin Chronicle. www.citypages.com/databank/26/1264/article12985.asp
 

android

Theoretical Magician
* Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).
Holy shit
* "Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).
* "Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).
These two are just plain scary.
 

NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
* Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).
WHAT THE HELL ?
 
King Jippo said:
GAF: Anti-America, Anti-Religion, Anti-Nintendo

I would like to say realistic, but alright, you want nationalism, i will give you fucking nationalism:

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9/11 NEVER FORGET!!!!!111!!!
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Support the troops, or the terroists have WON!!!11!!!
 

explodet

Member
Outlaw Pro Mod said:
What a snoozer. If those were accurate stats it may have grabbed my attention.
How are they inaccurate?
I'm not ready to take them at face value either, but I'd like to know the reasons you have.
 

mCACGj

Member
Don't get me wrong, America isn't number one in anyone's mind but stuck up Americans, but the south is really bringing down our scores.
 

Ghost

Chili Con Carnage!
Willco said:
EVERYONE WHO HAS LANDED ON THE MOON TAKE ONE STEP FORWARD.

NOT SO FAST EUROPE.

Everyone who provides healthcare....ah hell, just look at the article :lol
 

android

Theoretical Magician
explodet said:
They also got to say "NYEAH NYEAH WE BEAT YOU" at the Russians. That was a pretty big deal back in the day.
Which is what the Chinese will probably get to say about Mars.
 

Santo

Junior Member
max_cool said:
I bet you can't get a Whopper with cheese, fries, and a 20 ounce Coke for $5 in Europe.

Yeah! I bet heart attacks are much more expensive over in Europe! Suckers!
 

Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
* Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).
They're called "children" *rimshot* heyooooooooooooooooooo

I kind of knew a lot of these but didn't know they were this bad.
 
Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).

gotta love it.....

Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).

well, bush is a good christian. he'd never let that happen. oh, wait.......
 
Outside of dictatorships the USA is the only country I'm aware of that must at all times remind itself how great it is.
 

LakeEarth

Member
"The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80). Excuse me, but since when is South Africa a "developed" country? Anyway, that's the company we're keeping.

Wow...whoever wrote this is ignorant.
 

NLB2

Banned
"...Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).
:lol :lol :lol

Ok, let's take a gander at this. What is the subject? Americans. What do Americans do? They score worse than all of the other countries. Since when has Americans been a country? :lol
 

Loki

Count of Concision
MrPing1000 said:
Outside of dictatorships the USA is the only country I'm aware of that must at all times remind itself how great it is.

That's funny, because not only do I not see any Americans in this topic "reminding [themselves] how great [America] is" (save for facetiously), but seldom do I see "Why Europe Sucks" lists emanating from (at least semi-credible) American media outlets; so perhaps one would be justified in drawing conclusions about that sort of behavior on the part of our European friends as well?


In other words: nice trolling :)
 

NLB2

Banned
Loki said:
That's funny, because not only do I not see any Americans in this topic "reminding [themselves] how great [America] is" (save for facetiously), but seldom do I see "Why Europe Sucks" lists emanating from (at least semi-credible) American media outlets; so perhaps one would be justified in drawing conclusions about that sort of behavior as well?


In other words: nice trolling :)
I've said it before, I'll say it again.
Geopolitical penis envy.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
NLB2 said:
:lol :lol :lol

Ok, let's take a gander at this. What is the subject? Americans. What do Americans do? They score worse than all of the other countries. Since when has Americans been a country? :lol

NLB2, these illiterate, presumptuous heathens obviously have never read Kant. ;) :D
 

ShadowRed

Banned
Willco said:
EVERYONE WHO HAS LANDED ON THE MOON TAKE ONE STEP FORWARD.

NOT SO FAST EUROPE.





:lol You gotta be kidding me. So the fuck what.

EVERYONE WHO CAN TOUCH THERE TONGUE TO THERE ELBOW STEP FORWARD.


NOT SO FAST THE VAST MAHORITY OF PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET.


WHOA HOO I'M NUMBER ONE!!!!



Nevermind I'm a fucking deaf, dumb, illiterate mute who lives in a cardboard box behind Wendy's.
 

NLB2

Banned
Loki said:
NLB2, these illiterate, presumptuous heathens obviously have never read Kant. ;) :D
Well if they struggle so mightily with basic grammar, I can't see how they could read Kant.
 
Loki said:
That's funny, because not only do I not see any Americans in this topic "reminding [themselves] how great [America] is" (save for facetiously)
This topic is not necessarily representative of the American population or the annoying segments.
but seldom do I see "Why Europe Sucks" lists emanating from (at least semi-credible) American media outlets; so perhaps one would be justified in drawing conclusions about that sort of behavior as well?
Depends on what you call "semi-credible".
 

Loki

Count of Concision
ShadowRed said:
Nevermind I'm a fucking deaf, dumb, illiterate mute who lives in a cardboard box behind Wendy's.

And in that one fateful moment, all of our long held suspicions were confirmed. 'Twas a sad day. ;) :p
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
What's really "scary" thing is that people take these numbers as absolute truth.


"The European Union leads the U.S. in...the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).

As an engineer I find this interesting. We have less engineers, and we're apparently dumber. Yet we lead in technology, hmmm
 
Loki said:
That's funny, because not only do I not see any Americans in this topic "reminding [themselves] how great [America] is" (save for facetiously), but seldom do I see "Why Europe Sucks" lists emanating from (at least semi-credible) American media outlets; so perhaps one would be justified in drawing conclusions about that sort of behavior on the part of our European friends as well?


In other words: nice trolling :)

I'm not saying u all do, those that do the rest of the world sees. American Nationalism is extremely high, the terrorist threats have probably inflated it.
 

NLB2

Banned
teh_pwn said:
What's really "scary" thing is that people take these numbers as absolute truth.




As an engineer I find this interesting. We have less engineers, and we're apparently dumber. Yet we lead in technology, hmmm

Kind of like that bullshit about women getting paid 70 cents to a man's dollar. If I could hire someone for 70% and get the same work (I emphasize same, because if women truly get paid less than men, it is definitely because the work done by women isn't to the level of men. Not being sexist here, I just mean how often does a man get knocked up and have to take a pregnancy leave?) I would hire someone for 70% and get the same work.

However, it may also be very interesting to note how many of those engineers and scientists from Europe are now living and working in America. My guess would be a lot.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
NLB2 said:
Well if they struggle so mightily with basic grammar, I can't see how they could read Kant.

Hah, I was more poking fun at how frequently you invoke Kant. ;) :p


I actually have no problem with admitting that Europeans are generally more educated than Americans are, particularly at the K-12 levels. There's no shame in that, because these are not innate deficiencies, but rather failures of our system (and to a lesser, but still notable, extent our culture) more than anything else.


Hammy said:
This topic is not necessarily representative of the American population or the annoying segments.

True, but that then begs the question of why he'd have to choose this particular topic to make the comment in. My point stands-- he was trolling, perhaps unwittingly.


Depends on what you call "semi-credible".

Did you spring from the womb this contentious? ;) :p

"Doctor, why did you have to deliver me supine? I'm quite fond of lying on my left side. I demand answers!" :D :)
 

Loki

Count of Concision
MrPing1000 said:
I'm not saying u all do, those that do the rest of the world sees. American Nationalism is extremely high, the terrorist threats have probably inflated it.

I'm not disagreeing with your claims, but you're still missing the point. :)
 
teh_pwn said:
As an engineer I find this interesting. We have less engineers, and we're apparently dumber. Yet we lead in technology, hmmm
1. Where does it say that the US has "less engineers"?
2. It would be more accurate to compare the "intelligence" of the engineers/scientists rather than the entire population. Furthermore, grants are given out with publication productivity heavily in mind.
3. Since my job is paid for by NSF and I spend roughly two days a week in what is a NIH-funded lab, some of this stuff is indeed pretty important.

Did you spring from the womb this contentious? ;) :p

"Doctor, why did you have to deliver me supine? I'm quite fond of lying on my left side. I demand answers!"
If you are going to say something, you ought to be able to back it up.
 

karasu

Member
Nationalism is worthless, unless you're trying to trick people into doing what you want them to do.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Hammy said:
If you are going to say something, you ought to be able to back it up.

Are you serious? :) So I have to first do a database search of every reputable American periodical, and read the transcripts of every American news program, before I am allowed to state that I've rarely seen such attacks on Europe coming from American media outlets? Sorry, but no. I'll go you one further: I've personally never seen a "top 50 reasons why Europe sucks" list...anywhere (not that I have any desire to, as I find such sniping juvenile and counterproductive). But I've seen dozens of such lists about America. If you can find a "this is why Europe sucks" list (itemized as this one is), feel free to post it.


Yes, inane "news" outlets like Fox News etc. (or at least their commentators-- O'Reilly, Hannity etc.) will sometimes call Europeans "pansies" or some other derogatory term, but never this sort of semi-substantial, yet ultimately self-serving, analysis.
 

Triumph

Banned
I find it interesting that America's downfall as a manufacturing, cultural and economic "No. 1" probably has an inverse graph to the absurd pay increases that CEOs started getting around 1980. But capitalism is OBVIOUSLY the only system that works, and any limitations upon said capitalism is morally wrong.
 

NLB2

Banned
Raoul Duke said:
I find it interesting that America's downfall as a manufacturing, cultural and economic "No. 1" probably has an inverse graph to the absurd pay increases that CEOs started getting around 1980. But capitalism is OBVIOUSLY the only system that works, and any limitations upon said capitalism is morally wrong.
Or perhaps we could realize that the United States economy has evolved from a manufacturing economy to a service economy, but to do that would be to ignore how far the United States has left Europe behind economically. China, US, Japan! Big three baby! Your hopes of the European Union being able to compete will never come to fruition, I'm sorry to say.
 

android

Theoretical Magician
teh_pwn said:
What's really "scary" thing is that people take these numbers as absolute truth.




As an engineer I find this interesting. We have less engineers, and we're apparently dumber. Yet we lead in technology, hmmm
And how many of those engineers are from countries other than America. Working in America or for an American company doesn't make you American. Notice in the first link below how it says over one quarter of the engineers in America are foreign born. And this quotes from a April 1997 report, so I don't know if its gone up or down since then. I assume up with all the outcry regarding outsourcing in the media today. Futhermore many who are using US unversities to get their educations, return home afterward. How many in your engineering classes were foreigners? How many of your American classmates have left the US to work abroad?
http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/seind00/c3/c3s5.htm
http://www.amrita.edu/about/nsf/

Yes, inane "news" outlets like Fox News etc. (or at least their commentators-- O'Reilly, Hannity etc.) will sometimes call Europeans "pansies" or some other derogatory term, but never this sort of semi-substantial, yet ultimately self-serving, analysis.
Yeah sometimes the most popular new networks deride foreigners. Try every day. Fox (once again the most popular) has made its name cheerleading for Bush. If Bush has problems with the French, Fox jumps on the Freedom Fries train. If we in Canada critize Bush, O'Reilly is screaming at the top of his lungs about how we might as well be commies.
 

NLB2

Banned
android said:
And how many of those engineers are from countries other than America. Working in America or for an American company doesn't make you American. Notice in the first link below how it says over one quarter of the engineers in America are foreign born. And this quotes from a April 1997 report, so I don't know if its gone up or down since then. I assume up with all the outcry regarding outsourcing in the media today. Futhermore many who are using US unversities to get their educations, return home afterward. How many in your engineering classes were foreigners? How many of your American classmates have left the US to work abroad?
http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/seind00/c3/c3s5.htm
http://www.amrita.edu/about/nsf/
Exactly what I said. As opposed to some other countries, we Americans love it when foreigners come to our country to do work (at least the smart ones do). The more European educated engineers working in the United States the better.
 
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