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An Intro to Fountain Pens

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BorkBork

The Legend of BorkBork: BorkBorkity Borking
I like that it lies so flat and has somewhat floppy covers. I stay away from nice covers like that though because most of what I produce is not worth keeping (it would be sad to have a beautiful leather-bound copies of my grocery lists).

Yeah the flatness is a selling feature for me. Love the flex too. I would actually prefer a plainer cover as well (for environmental reasons) but this book is going to be something I'll keep for a loooong time. I think I'll use it as an end of day debrief/unwinding journal.

Welcome back Bagels!
 

Sera O

Banned
Hi! I'm back early, and glad to see this thread still going!

Hey welcome back, thread overlord!

PSA for Canadians who use Rhodia, Chapters has the A4 sized (a bit bigger than letter) tablets on sale for $5.00 from $9.50 in-store. Nothing online though, and it may be store specific, but worth a shot. They are ruled with a margin. Oddly enough, only the orange ones had sale stickers on them. I got one for calligraphy practice.

Also on sale was this curiosity: an Ogami notebook that is apparently made of stone (calcium carbonate). It has its good qualities, but it is very different from other papers.

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Inks that shade (Meadow and Nightshade are most obvious) go extreme on this paper. Meadow is showing dark outlines, which is kind of cool. The nightshade almost looks metallic due to the shading.

The flex pen was really strange, though - like using the nib to engrave a piece of hard cheese. Gross. The opposite side of the page has very distinct outlines of where pressure was applied, like it was embossed - but no ink bled through at any point. I think bleedthrough is kind of impossible on this paper as it doesn't absorb much if anything.

EDIT: Annnd. . . more than an hour later that noodler's still isn't dry lol
 

hobart

Member
Someone special hinted at me that I may be getting a new pen for the Holiday Season.

Not sure what though! She hinted at a new TWSBI 580 in Rose Gold. I, in turn, hinted to her how much I'd been eying those Midori Traveler's Notebooks.

This may turn out nicely!
 

MR4001

Member
New ink: Platinum Pigment Ink Pigment Blue. (And a new pen: another TWSBI Diamond 580.)

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As the name makes clear this is a pigment ink. This means the ink is permanent - waterproof and lightfast. The ink isn't so water-like (thin), either - Platinum put it like this: "When you write kanji, pigment ink doesn’t spread at the crossing point."

However, fountain pens are delicate things so special care must be taken when using pigment ink - both Platinum and Sailor offer pigment inks for fountain pens. One MUST NOT let the ink dry out in a pen! This isn't an ink to use in a pen you'll only use now and again. You can read more here: http://www.platinum-pen.co.jp/products/spare/ink/eink.html

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I decided on the Diamond 580 for use with this ink as (after testing and tweaking by The Writing Desk) it is a wonderful writer that represents excellent value for money. More importantly it is designed to be dismantled and serviced at home - a great feature when using specialist ink. (And if the worse does happen it is easily replaceable.) Oh - plus the ink looks awesome in it!

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The ink is a not-particularly-exciting medium blue. A standard blue, that's it. I bought this ink for its function, not its form. That said, when wet it does have a lovely ultramarine-like quality about it.

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Now to the testing!

First wiping with wet kitchen roll.

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As if nothing had happened. The abrasiveness of the kitchen roll did remove some of the ink, but it also removed some of the paper too.

Now a rinse under a fast flowing tap. Oh - all tests were conducted with just cold tap water.

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(The blue cast is a product of the camera.) Again as if nothing had happened. During the rinsing no discernible amount of ink was washed away, unlike with an iron gall ink.

Finally I left the sheet of paper (ordinary Rhodia stuff) submerged in a sink of water for several minutes. And again there was no change in how the ink presented itself. (The water also remained clear.) [See last photograph]

So, as is clear above, this ink takes to water like a duck! Perfect for addressing envelopes, making important notes and archiving. It is not the perfect ink, though: it requires special care in its use, and it has an increased drying time - not a problem if you've a blotter, mind. And, of course, there is an increased cost - one 60cc bottle will cost around £17.

A good ink, then. Four stars. * * * *

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PS: My apologies for the quality issues with the photography: mobile phone camera and still getting used to Photoshop (What does this do?...). LOL.
 

Sera O

Banned
all sorts of useful info about platinum pigment ink

Thanks for this, I was curious about the Sailor kiwaguro nano ink. I get the impression it behaves very much like this platinum does and would be great for watercolour. It looks like the platinum is less expensive too.

New TWSBI too! I really love the diamond mini and popped to Goulet to see what extra nibs are available, when I saw this:
TWSBI classic.

Is this a new one? I haven't seen it before and none are in stock. I guess it's also possible it's a super old product though.
 

MR4001

Member
The Classic's set to be released in the New Year (according to TWD). There's also a Vac Mini on the way and the Eco - a economy piston pen, I think. (The Classic is a piston pen, too.)

The Vac Mini - well, the concept - looks great!:

 

Sera O

Banned
The Vac Mini - well, the concept - looks great!:

Oh, god. You just had to post that picture, you bastard! :) This form factor is my weakness, and TWSBI prices are so good for what they are that I have a hard time resisting - cuteness crit. . . my resolve. . . fading. . . urk. . .

And here is the new ink damage! Love the Diamines, thank you! They and the Iroshizuku inks are consistently the nicest to use in my pens. I also got a whole lot of samples, and am stoked to have more inks to use for writing and calligraphy.
The writing here is with a dip pen. I have no idea what it is; I've had it forever. It came with a wooden nib holder and a few other nibs that are unusable. It's great to use for this purpose; I can just dunk it into a glass of water a few times before dipping into another colour.

Soft mint is awesome. I love it. If I manage to stick with a colour, I'd like to keep this in the Diamond Mini or the M90. Salamander reminds me of my friend's old pet newt, Gingrich. I don't have anything like it - it's like a khaki-brown-grey. I have some cream paper this will look great on. Aqua Lagoon - I have a thing for turquoise-ish blue inks and this is great - some others look really dark when I write with them but this stays bright. And Peach Haze is an awesome orange. I like to have a bright colour like this on me for underlining stuff or making edits on printed stuff so I'll definitely be using this one too :D
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
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My silly Pilot Varsity tree animation. I hope Santa brings you all pens!

I received TWO Pilot Parallel pens (and thanks to Sera O for the initial thoughts that lead to all this!) in the same day (one from a GAF secret Santa! I should note that I mentioned having one before, but I went looking for it, and realized I had tried it, shelved it, and given it away. Oops)! Despite my complete ineptitude, this is basically the most fun you can have with your pants on. I have the 2.4mm and the 3.8mm nibs - the two in the middle of the range. I agree that 2.4 is way more usable, but it's fun to write larger stuff and practice individual lines with the 3.8

It's intimidating posting in this thread (that I started?) with people with some actual skill at this, but what the heck:

I've been noodling around using friends' names, bands, games...

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With two pens, you can do this neat color blending - you just hold pen #1 upright, nib up, and touch it with the nib of pen #2 (there's no way to describe it that doesn't make people giggle). #1 will pick up some of the ink from #2 (but not vice versa), depending on how long you hold them together. You can tap for just an initial spot of color #2, or hold them together a bit and get a more gradual fade from #1 to #2. There's a bit of that in this image.

The pen comes with a nice little guide, that demonstrates an Italic, Roman, and Gothic hand. I spent a few days just fooling around before trying to learn an actual system of writing. I settled on an ornate 15th century Gothic:


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(sorry for the cell phone pics - I was tweeting people their names :p )

So everyone I know now has to endure this junk. I've been at the Gothic hand for 3 days - these are pretty early examples, I guess. I have zero experience with this, but I can already see myself improving. I have the alphabet largely memorized. It's just a matter of reigning in my spacing, slant, consistency...It will be interesting to see how it impacts my normal writing to have to relearn things like this. Eventually, I want to put together my writing, an ornate Gothic (for initial caps), and elements of a simpler Gothic (the one Pilot shows you is much easier) into my own distinct hand.

It's certainly fun in the meantime. I find it very therapeutic. There's a combination of the tactile nature and the concentration that kind of keeps me from just ruminating on crap.

The pens themselves are really fantastic. For $12, you're getting a plastic pen, two cartridges, a thin sheet of plastic to get paper out of the nib, and a cleaning cartridge. You're getting a tool, more than something that is itself beautiful to behold. But they are so easy to use! You get a lot of feedback - if you're using the broad edge of the nib, you'll get only part of the line if your pressure is uneven. You'll see it left to right and front to back. It might be helpful - especially in a smaller nib size? - for people who struggle to find the correct writing position.

A box of Pilot Parallel "Mixable Colour" cartridges is a must. I've used them before - they fit my Plumix pens - and the colo(u)rs are all very vibrant. The green is much darker than Pilot's Namiki green carts, for example.

The downside is that a Plumix sips ink; a Parallel is more like a paintbrush. It lays down a LOT of ink with each line, as Sera O warned. The carts go fast (and, if you're like me, end up all over your hands). It seems like most folks end up refilling them with a fine needle. They aren't super pricey, but if I stick with it, I can see the cost of ink carts becoming annoying.


The other thing is, with this much ink, even my nice Rhodia pads get overwhelmed. You can easily see it in the images - things feather and pool (the gorgeous green ends up as two shades, even without my blending with a dark blue). I don't mind now, since I'm just fooling around and learning, but still...I wrote "Dark Souls" in Gothic and it got reblogged rather quickly from my tumblr of this crap. I did a shitty job with it, the paper did a shitty job, but because it says "Dark Souls"...it's just mildly embarrassing. I keep thinking, "But I can do so much better!"

All in all, these pens are just great fun, and I think they have a lot of value as learning tools. A 2.4mm and a 3.8mm make a nice set - once you try the color mixing, you'll definitely want two (or more). I don't have experience with anything similar to compare it to, but the pens seem so forgiving for a beginner, and do so much of the heavy lifting for you - I feel like anything that comes out okay is at least 80% the pen's doing - that I cannot recommend them enough.

Then you can watch someone with actual TALENT on youtube...he seems really taken with them too, so maybe I'm on the right track.
 

ShinNL

Member
Fountain pen ink generally dries very quickly. I'm not sure if it's quick enough for lefties, but who cares about them?
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I had a smudgy left hand during all my elementary days. They suck.
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
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I had a smudgy left hand during all my elementary days. They suck.

It was a rhetorical question! You lefties misunderstood me! The answer is supposed to be: me - Bagels! *I* care! I feel your pain. Well, it's more like I feel your ink smudged-edness, but yeah. I wish it were easier, comrades! SOLIDARITY!


(Man, how like a bunch of whiny wrong-handers to jump to ridiculous conclusions, huh?)

Now listen - some of my best friends are lefties...

;)

One of my best friends is left handed and wants to get back into calligraphy. Her technique has always been to turn the paper 90 degrees clockwise and write from top to bottom of the page. She writes everything like that, so I have no clue about developing such a style later in life. I tried it, right-handed, and it's doable, but weird. It flips the angle of the nib, too, so you need to take that into account if following a script.

The Pilot Parallel puts down so much ink, and it stays wet for long enough that I can't imagine using it with any kind of grip that trails a hand through completed letters. I'm right handed and I have gotten really, really inky from these stupid things. I've ruined a few things by putting my arm onto pages that I forget are probably still wet. I'll report back if my buddy gets back into it!

I also want to go on record as still being madly in love with Mumei. After all we've shared? The night in Paris? Have I said too much?...
 

Forsete

Gold Member
Not a fountain pen but I love the rollerball Uniball eye pens.

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Do rollerball and fountain pens share the same type of ink?
 

Sera O

Banned
The downside is that a Plumix sips ink; a Parallel is more like a paintbrush. It lays down a LOT of ink with each line, as Sera O warned. The carts go fast (and, if you're like me, end up all over your hands). It seems like most folks end up refilling them with a fine needle. They aren't super pricey, but if I stick with it, I can see the cost of ink carts becoming annoying.

Parallel Pens, Valkyria Chronicles, and gothic script - high five!

Yep, those pens are super fun! As you continue to just doodle around and practice with them, you just naturally get better too, so it's really rewarding.

As for the ink cost, a con-50 pilot converter might help. Of course it's something extra to buy, but being able to use bottled ink would help because of how much you go through doing calligraphy. At least then you won't use up the cool mixable carts writing sir mixalot lyrics, because that's totally not something I did :| .

Not a fountain pen but I love the rollerball Uniball eye pens.

Do rollerball and fountain pens share the same type of ink?

It's similar because they are liquid ink, but there is a lot of variety in ink. Some fountain pen companies make refillable rollerballs (I think J Herbin and Noodler's, possibly more) and these are meant to use fountain pen ink. I've never tried them though so I don't know how well they work.
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
Parallel Pens, Valkyria Chronicles, and gothic script - high five!

Yep, those pens are super fun! As you continue to just doodle around and practice with them, you just naturally get better too, so it's really rewarding.

As for the ink cost, a con-50 pilot converter might help. Of course it's something extra to buy, but being able to use bottled ink would help because of how much you go through doing calligraphy. At least then you won't use up the cool mixable carts writing sir mixalot lyrics, because that's totally not something I did :| .

Let's just go ahead and be bestest friends forever. You clearly have IMPECCABLE taste,

Thanks for the suggestions! I'm sort of hooked on the calligraphy, and I'm getting extreme ink envy from this thread anyway, so it's time to think about adding a few more bottles (I have a nice Noodler's blue) and adapters.


Platinum preppy art~

Jeez. That is...pretty awesome. How is it using the Preppy to draw? I don't doodle much with my fountain pens (animated trees aside) - it just doesn't feel optimal for my "draw a cartoon bagel" needs.
 

Horse Detective

Why the long case?
Jeez. That is...pretty awesome. How is it using the Preppy to draw? I don't doodle much with my fountain pens (animated trees aside) - it just doesn't feel optimal for my "draw a cartoon bagel" needs.

Thank you! I have learned to love it for drawing. The main appeal is how easy it is to taper the ends of a line with a small stroke. It can be done with certain roller balls too but with this it is much easier.

My only complaint is that the ink dries into a shade of grey rather than an absolute black. I need to look into a way to fix that.
 

Sera O

Banned
Platinum preppy art~

Great line work! Do you turn the pen over to get the finer lines, or do you use a different pen for that?

There are so many black inks that it's really hard to say what the blackest is. But you're right, some of them do seem more like a dark grey.

Let's just go ahead and be bestest friends forever. You clearly have IMPECCABLE taste,

Thanks for the suggestions! I'm sort of hooked on the calligraphy, and I'm getting extreme ink envy from this thread anyway, so it's time to think about adding a few more bottles (I have a nice Noodler's blue) and adapters.

BFFs!

Pilot has a couple of converter options. Con-20 is similar to the 'cleaning converter' that comes with the parallel. It is a squeeze type with a larger ink capacity than Con-50 and may be less expensive. However, Con-50 is what I go for because I like to be able to see the amount of ink left in it.
 

Sera O

Banned
Thought I'd post my fountain pen collection

my favorite fountain pens are from Lamy

my lamy ink

Lamy ink bottles are so cool. Functional and visually interesting at the same time, just like most Lamy designs.

I have the same stealth safari and the silver metropolitan. The metropolitan is great, and the price is amazing. I wish it came in a fine, too (pilot fangirl over here).

What do you think of the Platinum pens? I remember reading that they have a special seal to prevent the nib from drying out. And what are the two pens in the first photo? They remind me of drafting pens my friend used to have.
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
Lamy ink bottles are so cool. Functional and visually interesting at the same time, just like most Lamy designs.

I have the same stealth safari and the silver metropolitan. The metropolitan is great, and the price is amazing. I wish it came in a fine, too (pilot fangirl over here).

What do you think of the Platinum pens? I remember reading that they have a special seal to prevent the nib from drying out. And what are the two pens in the first photo? They remind me of drafting pens my friend used to have.

The platinum pens are ok. I just don't like the medium nibs. The first two pens are zebra fountian pens
http://www.jetpens.com/Zebra-V-301-Fountain-Pen-Medium-Nib-Black-Body/pd/6837
They were pretty cheap on jetpens but the nib is ok.
 
Guess who bought a Varsity today?

This guy.

Now to practice my trash penmanship.

Total trash.

Complete trash.

Gaf give help.

Good for you.

The first thing you can do is stop putting your skills down, even if your tongue was firmly in your cheek. So what if the results of your pen work are not as impressive as someone else's? It's not a competition! Besides, there's always a bigger fish! As long as you enjoy the activity, even if the results are not a world beater, that's what counts! Enjoy the journey :) [/lecture]
 

MR4001

Member
Is anyone up for a little challenge, something that will put our FPs to interesting use?

I was thinking we should each write a simple letter to a person or organisation of importance and then see what we get back. We can then compare our letters, the replies and so on here.

When I was a child I received a short letter - after sending an email using a CD-i... - from the White House; I still remember the thick paper, the gold-embossed seal and the autosigned postcard of Bill Clinton. I wonder if they still send out such things anymore?

We can share tips and what-not here - the correct etiquette to ensure a reply, for example.

What do you all think?
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
Is anyone up for a little challenge, something that will put our FPs to interesting use?

I was thinking we should each write a simple letter to a person or organisation of importance and then see what we get back. We can then compare our letters, the replies and so on here.

When I was a child I received a short letter - after sending an email using a CD-i... - from the White House; I still remember the thick paper, the gold-embossed seal and the autosigned postcard of Bill Clinton. I wonder if they still send out such things anymore?

We can share tips and what-not here - the correct etiquette to ensure a reply, for example.

What do you all think?

I had been thinking about doing something like that! Maybe, as a GAF twist, we write to game companies/publishers/something gaming related? I don't want to say "let's not write to worthy causes!" but I feel weirder making that a competition.

In any event, this could be totally fun!
 

Sera O

Banned
Guess who bought a Varsity today?

Cool! If you are not satisfied with your penmanship, you have the right idea about practice. I think some attention to consistency in the angle of the verticals can go a long way too. Also I have to say, my sister hates her handwriting, but I think it looks really cool, so you are probably your worst critic in this regard.

Somewhat related: I found this spencerian copybook in my mom's stuff and it's basically like the old-school punishment of writing lines, only. . . supposedly not a punishment.


When I opened up to that page I laughed pretty hard. . .

Is anyone up for a little challenge, something that will put our FPs to interesting use?

This is a cool idea, but I find it hard to get enthused as I just assume that most companies use something like the Robert Heinlein form letter, only even less personal. Most letters to companies are replied to with a "thank you for your interest in our product" along with a coupon or something. It would be cool to be proven wrong though.

I feel like half the battle in getting a reply is including a SASE, which is not really possible for international mail is it? I guess I could write to a Canadian company. I immediately thought of Bioware, but then I realized I do not have the diplomacy skills for that omg.
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
Cool! If you are not satisfied with your penmanship, you have the right idea about practice. I think some attention to consistency in the angle of the verticals can go a long way too. Also I have to say, my sister hates her handwriting, but I think it looks really cool, so you are probably your worst critic in this regard.

Somewhat related: I found this spencerian copybook in my mom's stuff and it's basically like the old-school punishment of writing lines, only. . . supposedly not a punishment.



When I opened up to that page I laughed pretty hard. . .

Well, that's about the best thing ever!

The history of these various writing forms - Spencerian, etc. - is really fascinating. They basically all start as systems of moral instruction - like practicing nice writing will keep kids from wanting to boink each other.

It's also interesting to see a reevaluation of various writing styles - Copperplate comes up a lot - from a modern perspective. Writing has become more and more utilitarian - here we are typing away so we can communicate at maximum speed. As a culture that texts and emails, and in which literacy is taken for granted, these old forms seem so silly. Something like Copperplate both takes longer to write AND is harder to read (the upside being that it quite elegant). I get that with the style I'm practicing the most - it's pretty, but at the expense of speed AND legibility (some letters are just not distinct enough - M's and W's, say, or T's, C's, and E's [undoubtedly largely my fault, because I suck, but the examples I'm following do suffer from this, too).

The upside is, of course, that we now value handcrafted things quite highly. No one wants a typed copy of their name; people seem to love seeing it in my inept calligraphic hand.

I think the main problem with handwriting for most people is actually the opposite of the problem facing the 15th century scribe - the systems we learn, especially cursive hands, are designed for WRITERS not READERS. The idea is to write quickly, not to produce something easy and pleasing to read. My grandmothers both write in a beautiful, highly consistent cursive script. But trying to read it can be quite challenging. It looks nice as a whole, but there is nothing pleasing about trying to decipher a family name written in that style. Despite the consistency, it's still difficult to read - examples of correspondence from the 19th century or whatever suffer from the exact same problem. Maybe they're harder to read for the modern eye, which isn't used to seeing writing like that?

Anyway, I've only had one complaint about the readability of my normal handwriting, which kinda tickled me. I like that a) it's very readable (and the letters that aren't great - e's look like c's pretty often - I'm working on), b) people still find it aesthetically pleasing, c) I can write quickly enough to keep up with my racing mind, d) it's distinctively mine, and e) it's not super consistent. I'll write a loopy 'y' ad a straight 'y' in the same sentence - I can't decide which one I like better. It's not, like, crazy random. It's still pretty uniform, but it's visually interesting and fun to write because I change it up. I wonder if learning more formal scripts as I practice calligraphy will make my writing more consistent overall? I don't know if I want that or not.

Sorry. I'm on my third book about handwriting. It is oddly fascinating to me. And, jeez, since I started trying to learn calligraphy, all I see are fonts everywhere! My phone is filling up with pictures of signs and pages from books. There are too many beautiful ways to write and I want to learn them all! Ahh!


Please enjoy this silly lil animation of me writing a B:

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MR4001

Member
I had been thinking about doing something like that! Maybe, as a GAF twist, we write to game companies/publishers/something gaming related? I don't want to say "let's not write to worthy causes!" but I feel weirder making that a competition.

In any event, this could be totally fun!

This is a cool idea, but I find it hard to get enthused as I just assume that most companies use something like the Robert Heinlein form letter, only even less personal. Most letters to companies are replied to with a "thank you for your interest in our product" along with a coupon or something. It would be cool to be proven wrong though.

I feel like half the battle in getting a reply is including a SASE, which is not really possible for international mail is it? I guess I could write to a Canadian company. I immediately thought of Bioware, but then I realized I do not have the diplomacy skills for that omg.

Hm. Maybe we could write to our respective heads of state or government asking them something along the lines of 'What good do you see videogames being able to bring to the world?'. Thoughts?

The history of these various writing forms - Spencerian, etc. - is really fascinating. [...]

It is indeed! It's wonderful! I particularly like learning about national differences in hands; here in Europe many countries have (or had) government-set hands for schools to teach. I was taught New Nelson with a touch of BBC Schools - 'All the way round, down and flick.'

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LuffyZoro

Member
I got a Pilot Parallel for Christmas, but am somewhat unsure of how to install the cartridge. I've pushed it in as far as it can go and squeezed it like it said, but I still can't write anything.
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
I got a Pilot Parallel for Christmas, but am somewhat unsure of how to install the cartridge. I've pushed it in as far as it can go and squeezed it like it said, but I still can't write anything.
Give the ink time to get into the nib
 

Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I got a Lamy medium nib for Christmas after asking when I saw this thread. Already really like it! I'll post more after I play with it for a bit.
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
Yay for Christmas pens! I am so happy these threads have been popular and have got people trying new pens!

My own haul includes a dip pen plus 7 nibs, 2 new Pilot Parallels (I gave one of mine to a friend. You can find them for $11 at Hobby Lobby, too, along with ink carts), ink, a cleaning solution, a calligraphy practice pad, 2 books on calligraphy, a new box for all of my pens, some nice Faber-Castell colored pencils, and a nice, metallic body Sharpie which my 3 year old keeps trying to wander off with. I got some cash, too, so I'll be off to my favorite local art store, Pygmalions, to go nuts, soon.

As Jubei said ( and welcome back. I hope you don't hate me too much!), it takes a bit of time for the Parallel to get flowing. I write soft vertical lines over and over until the ink appears. It takes longer than you'd think!

I've got thank Sera O and MR4001 for being the real evangelists in this thread, with their awesome inks, pens, and penmanship!

MR4001 - that Diamond 580 is calling to me! Is that the TWSBI I go for as an enthusiastic amateur, looking to add a serious writing tool to my arsenal?

Crap. Diamond Mini instead? I like the looks more...
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
I got a Lamy medium nib for Christmas after asking when I saw this thread. Already really like it! I'll post more after I play with it for a bit.
Lamy is the best in my opinion. I'm really leaning on buying a lamy al star ocean blue pen for 30 bucks
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
Oops. I *thought* the 580 had already been discussed! Sounds like maybe a bit of a handful? Where to go with a reasonably priced TWSBI? A clear pen, filled with beautiful ink...I want to go to there.

Help!
 

Sera O

Banned
Oops. I *thought* the 580 had already been discussed! Sounds like maybe a bit of a handful? Where to go with a reasonably priced TWSBI? A clear pen, filled with beautiful ink...I want to go to there.

Help!

I'd suggest the Diamond mini. I love mine. It's really practical and proportionally I find it perfect for my hand. I also like how the cap screws on when posted so it stays where it is even if I'm scribbling away.

Neither my sister or I had anything adjusted (both F nibs) and they have been trouble free. Any other mini owners who needed nib/feed tweaking to get these working optimally?

I haven't tried the 580 so I have no basis for comparison.
 

Sera O

Banned
Ordered a Diamond Mini, stub nib, 1.1 (I love an italic nib!)! I'm so excited! $50 for a regular nib, $55 with the stub nib. ohboyohboyohboy!

This will further my mission to become Sera O...

Besides the fact that they write really well, the faceted clear barrel really shows off the colour of the ink in these pens. I think you'll really like it - hope it arrives quickly.

ps - You're gonna need a lot more cutesy stationery if you plan to SWF me. . . :p
 

zchen

Member
PSA

Should you wish to indulge in some Diamine, J.Herbin, or Platinum inks; Gumwater (in the US) is going out of business and everything is 40% off with $8 flat domestic shipping. They still have some Platinum preppy and Noodler's flex pens as well.
 

Sera O

Banned
totally want a Sailor Naginata Togi Nib after seeing some of its abilities

That looks awesome, like brush strokes. The shape of the nib point looks a bit similar to the sailor zoom I have (I don't know how to use it at all).

I was reading through some blogs and was linked to an older C-SPAN video about the White House Calligrapher's Office from this post on the Well Appointed Desk.

These three people do beautiful hand-lettering for official invitations, certificates, materials for fancy White House functions etc.One of the calligraphers is left-handed, too.

"This is timeless - what's changed is the deadlines. Turn of the century, artists would be given weeks to perform their tasks[. . .] Sometimes we get hours."
 

MR4001

Member
Bagels, there isn't anything wrong with TWSBI's pens, but, being relative newcomers to fountain pen manufacture, they have had a few kinks in their products that have needed working out. The Diamond 580 is the third Diamond, for instance. TWSBI (from what I've read) have excellent customer service, and they are also very open about their progress and plans, so you're in safe hands, as it were. You just need to be aware that there might be the odd hiccup. Though, that said, companies like Lamy and Pelikan - and this is my own personal experience - have been having increasing problems when it comes to quality assurance... Cutbacks I suppose.

Here's a wonderful guide to all the fancy nibs Sailor offer: http://www.nibs.com/SailorSpecialtyNibs.htm It's rather old-fashioned for Sailor to have such a wide range of nibs: in decades past such was the norm for most companies.

Sera O, with the Zoom the angle you hold the pen at changes the size of the line the nib makes - the Zoom is designed to be similar to a fudepen in use.

Oh - here's a video about Sailor's range of nibs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ2JsBdrm9I
 

hobart

Member
I use a TWSBI Mini as my daily pen at work. Nice little workhorse. I have an extra fine nib as well as an Italic 1.1 Stub. The stub writes thick... thicker than I need for work so it is currently stored away. The Extra Fine is a little thicker than other Fine nibs I have written with... but for people with small handwriting like myself... it gets the job done.

I rather enjoy the way their other products fit with this particular pen. I couldn't help myself but to get the inkwell -- which fits perfectly when you look to fill it. Goulet Pens has some great videos on this.

In all -- I love the product so much that I purchased the 580 for a buddy of mine for his birthday... and he loves his.

You will enjoy. Great pen for the money, for sure.
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
Wish I could afford those salior fountain pens even just the nibs

As always I am definitely in the wrong line of work


Ended up ordering the lamy al star ocean blue pen since I received an amazon gift card for Xmas.
 
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