You've forgotten movies are shown in these here things called movie theaters, which make money out of every ticket sold.
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An Open Letter To Warner Bros CEO Kevin Tsujihara (Contains: Ether)
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You've forgotten movies are shown in these here things called movie theaters, which make money out of every ticket sold.
Mortimer Brewster
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The irony is New Line with its low budget horror hits will likely prop up Warner's overall numbers.
Yeezus H. Christ
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There needs to be some sort of auto-reminder in the OP of every box office thread explaining about studio cuts from box office revenues.
That's not what I was suggesting:
Me said:
I don't mean that WB is floundering because they won't take risks on more filmmaker-driven movies, I mean that a lot of their current output is terrible and it can't even be excused as taking a risk on a filmmaker. Like, Speed Racer and Cloud Atlas may have been terrible failures (and ones I personally disliked), but at least WB took the gamble on the Wachowskis. There's no "at least" with a lot of their current movies; they're just bad movies made to chase franchise money.
Jupiter Ascending was such a sad disappointment. Awful. Definitely the last chance WB gives the Wachs.
If it means the Wachowskis stick to making Sense8 awesome I'm okay with this.
Seriously, I would consider myself a film buff but I don't really follow box office news. I always presumed it was the studios cut. What percentage do they get in general?
Yeezus H. Christ
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50% roughly.
So it's just limped into profit if home video is counted
CaviarMeths
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1st bolded: This isn't really true at all though. 300 was a big hit, yes. He then had three outright failures in a row with Watchmen, Legend of the Guardians, and Sucker Punch. Then Man of Steel and Batman v Superman underperformed, both of which had key executives either stepping down or having roles reduced. Yet Snyder goes on.
2nd bolded: Yeah... yikes at that. Whoever greenlit that needs to put in the corner to think about what he did.
broncobuster
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No, Man of Steel was profitable on box office alone. Well below expectations, but profitable nonetheless.
So even Wonder Woman will be trash ?
Damn
I mean, it's Wonder Woman.
CaviarMeths
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To put it mildly.
Variety, 6 June 2013
To be their highest earner, it would have needed to outperform Deathly Hallows Pt. 2's $1.3b worldwide. It ended up making $668m.
Needless to say, Jeff Robinov resigned a few months later.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Was this confirmed anywhere? I don't see how on a $225 million budget + $150 million marketing, $668m would be enough to break even.
andythinkpad
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I am betting even money WW's RT score will be between 25-35%
CaviarMeths
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I hope not. I liked Man of Steel, so I've entered this "please at least let the solo movies be good" bargaining stage of this nightmare. I really want Wonder Woman, Batman, and Aquaman to deliver the goods.
Flash and Cyborg ain't getting made.
broncobuster
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That's the incredible part of the three DCEU films. They're not well received but still making a decent profit off the brand and marketing. Stating the obvious here, had these films resonated with the general audience, they'd be doing ridiculous business. As it is, you get strong openings and significant drops. At least they're not Green Lantern or Jonah Hex failures...
Mix Master
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bananafactory
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What a twist!
Yes because everyone tells their boss that the project they're working on is a mess!
She seemed decent on the Justice League cartoon. If they follow that template, the Wonder Woman movie will be better than all of their other efforts combined.
Rickelodeon
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It's an interesting, very eye-opening letter, and i started to believe it, but upon reread it does feel very much like a "surface-level" view of how Hollywood functions, and i really do cast doubt on whether or not the author actually does work for WB or knows anything. Most of the top insiders and bloggers I follow share a similar sentiment and seem to be disregarding it. Also, in regards to the "Wonder Woman is a mess" bomb the author drops ,Faraci still suggesting its fine, and i trust that dude. The Wrap has also done some digging and suggests thats pretty much inaccurate.
Future Foundation
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The better response is no response.
IdreamofHIME
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WB will only listen if Harry Potter 8 fails, but it won't.
Future Foundation
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So then it becomes:
"Oh, why hasn't she/WB commented on it yet? They're keeping quiet. It must be true."
EDIT: The more I read through that letter, the more surprised I am that it got the level of traction that it did. It's a double nothingburger with cheese.
It reads like an anonymous 4chan post with *slightly* more credibility.
IdreamofHIME
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What did he mean by this?
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Anonymous sources are my favorite flavor.
Especially ones with knowledge over an entire multibillion dollar company making egregiously wide-sweeping comments across numerous film productions all spurred by the "critical failure" of a smash hit film.
He must have been someone high-up, but who also simultaneously worried he would be fired every day.
Excuse me, she.
Especially ones with knowledge over an entire multibillion dollar company making egregiously wide-sweeping comments across numerous film productions all spurred by the "critical failure" of a smash hit film.
He must have been someone high-up, but who also simultaneously worried he would be fired every day.
Excuse me, she.
That response is debatable. I will say it is a "lose-lose"situation for her.
I think the letter itself has merit on its own as an example of doing business in hollywood.
Future Foundation
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Totally agree. It's a very "damned-if-you-do..." thing.
Discotheque
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Jupiter Ascending was such a sad disappointment. Awful. Definitely the last chance WB gives the Wachs.
Id love to see them go back to a lower budget film like Bound.
Slowly build themselves up. I think they had a great vision back in the day as far as speed racer. But Jupiter was such a shit film.
However their influence is still seen. Mr. Robot for example owes so much to the Matrix's direction for instance.
I would understand if they did do it but I hope WB doesn't drop them from the team. But they definitely need to reign in their budget and ask them to go for something small.
johnnydrama
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Sounds like an emotional rant from a disgruntled ex-employee. Wonder Woman may be a mess, but not because this person says so. Also a couple of industry people dismissed this claim as well.
FreshCakes
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Not suprised to be honest. After Harry Potter and TDK trilogy ended, WB has been pretty much throwing down their chips on anything to make $. Hopefully that means they'll have a mega hit in the future and they have Nolan to save them next year.
You know what? Why did we entertain an anonymous letter that has said nothing "new" said? This was all public knowledge and frustrations, with WW "being a mess" tacked on at the end. I mean, I'd expect an insider from the company give a more in depth look at the failures and what cause them. But no, all we get is bashing with surface level knowledge that any person a gaf or Reddit can spew. It's ridiculous that this got so much attention.
1) that was more his father's sacrifice than Clark's. Give it to Pa Kent he practiced what he preached
2) didn't say that. He said maybe.
3)rewatch the final battle. All of the collateral damage is Zod. Zod who didn't give two shits about collateral damage and relished in it. Maybe Snyder should have Superman do a you can't see me and tea bag him when he snapped Zod's neck, it might have gone down as well as when Reeve smiled when he killed Zod in Superman 2.
Technically one film had a mother's death trigger a fight the other had a mother's death end it.
broncobuster
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There's enough sketchy news coming out about WB's DC efforts that the fabrications are accepted uncritically. It's weak but it is what it is.
tauroxd
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Me too. I still think that Jupiter's was so bad because they got the OK from Netflix to do Sense8 and they stopped caring about Jupiter's... Man, I was so hyped about a new film by them. I do not watch trailers and stay as far away from news and stuff about movies, especially ones I know I will see, so I really didn't expected it to be that bad, I almost cried in the cinema watching the disaster that the movie was... But then I saw Sense8 and I really forgave them.
Didn't Faraci also say he was hearing bad things about Daredevil? Look how that turned out. So him saying it seems fine doesn't mean much.
Honestly. Civil War was pretty mediocre. However it was fun and it's whole was watchable despite being entirely reliant on fan service.
Batman vs Superman was mediocre fan service, but it only served a small niche of fans who like Frank Millers take on Batman. So the amount of people who liked the film because of the fan service was less then DC/Warners anticipated
Yeah, it's fucking terrible, aside from some action scenes and Bernthal.
I hope your being sarcastic.
Also I'm pretty sure he had been referring to Season 1 which gained critical acclaim.
Christ...
Just_myles
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I'll say this. The issue is clear. WB tried to reinvent a winning formula and are failing. Movies just are not good. Call them whatever you like.
Mass_Pincup
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Taken out of context it seems silly but it makes sense in the movie.
CaviarMeths
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Straight bullshit. Superman is directly responsible for his share of the destruction. Especially in Smallville, where he takes the fight in the first place. Then in Metropolis, he throws Zod through structures, jumps out of the way of a gas tanker to let it destroy a building, and shows absolutely no attempt to save lives or prevent destruction until the neck snap. Oh, and then there's the creepy, gross sucking face with Lois on top of a pile of corpses.
Then the movie ends with him destroying expensive government property for the lols.
These arguments have been around since 2013 and the facts haven't changed. I've seen the movie 4 times, as recently as 2 days ago. Superman's responsibility to the death and destruction in Man of Steel is a completely valid criticism.
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