an xbox 30% more powerful than a playstation, what do you think about that ?

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Although Xbox hardware business is almost dead, the Xbox division is like Jason, rumors point out that the new Xbox will be more powerful than the PS6 , however the price will be without subsidy, that is, $1200 and up. This made me think about the extent to which processing power is important.

I'll avoid citing extreme examples like the Neo Geo AES or 3DO, where the technology was impressive but the price definitely reduced them to niche consoles.

The PS5 Pro is the best example. The best it can offer compared to the PS5 is running quality mode at 60fps. The PS5 runs performance mode at 60fps. In practice, we're going from 1440p60 to 4K 60fps. So, even though the Xbox is more powerful, the difference would only be a higher number in the dynamic resolution range.

Having the most powerful console (even if it's 30% powerful) is good because 90% of games are multiplatform.

A true strategy of having the most powerful console is similar to the strategy of having the least powerful console. That is, it's necessary to offer many exclusive games to take advantage of the difference, as third-party developers won't do it, so having a powerful console is a thankless strategy.

Higher R&D costs
Higher subsidies
Higher spending on games


more powerful 30%, what do you think about it?
 
They're trying to redefine what a console is.
I Dont Think So No Way GIF
 
You already had XSX and XOX with better hardware than the competitors which sold less. No one is going to buy one console over the other with the USP being that games run at ~200p more vertical resolution or whatever.
 
Geometric-Crusher said:
Although Xbox hardware business is almost dead, the Xbox division is like Jason, rumors point out that the new Xbox will be more powerful than the PS6 , however the price will be without subsidy, that is, $1200 and up. This made me think about the extent to which processing power is important.

I'll avoid citing extreme examples like the Neo Geo AES or 3DO, where the technology was impressive but the price definitely reduced them to niche consoles.

The PS5 Pro is the best example. The best it can offer compared to the PS5 is running quality mode at 60fps. The PS5 runs performance mode at 60fps. In practice, we're going from 1440p60 to 4K 60fps. So, even though the Xbox is more powerful, the difference would only be a higher number in the dynamic resolution range.

Having the most powerful console (even if it's 30% powerful) is good because 90% of games are multiplatform.

A true strategy of having the most powerful console is similar to the strategy of having the least powerful console. That is, it's necessary to offer many exclusive games to take advantage of the difference, as third-party developers won't do it, so having a powerful console is a thankless strategy.

Higher R&D costs
Higher subsidies
Higher spending on games


more powerful 30%, what do you think about it?
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Where is the extra 30% figure coming from, analysis of the MLID spec leaks?
 
Percentages in power between consoles always ends up being "Blast Processing" nonsense. It seems like the "less powerful" hardware often ends up out-performing the supposedly more powerful. (360 vs PS3, PS5 vs Series X).
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
I know I am not part of the masses with this statement but for my console games give me all the power I can get

Heck I would be all over a 5090 level console to play games like GTA 6
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to execute only higher resolution, that doesn't please me.
I mentioned the three points for a true power strategy and the reasons why it isn't done.
 
Hopefully going with standard PC components can give developers a bit more freedom to optimize their games for PCs in general


HeisenbergFX4 said:
I know I am not part of the masses with this statement but for my console games give me all the power I can get

Heck I would be all over a 5090 level console to play games like GTA 6
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Of course, why wouldn't anyone want that?


I only partially joke when I say that consoles have actually been holding back video game development by constraining developers with weak/old hardware for almost a decade at a time.

Every "generation" is just another setback and then you have people wondering why fidelity hasn't improved much..
 
Pack a GPU, CPU, Memory, IO with a gaming centric OS into a small case with one quiet cooling fan and I'll look your way. Especially if it plays my PC libraries.
someone mentioned 5090 performance? My neck turned to listen.
 
I couldn't care less about Xbox or PS having the most powerful console, since all the games they make suck ass. And Nintendo isn't much better and everything runs like shit on their hardware.

Itsumi said he had revived SEGA, but I am not seeing a new SEGA console in store. He might want to backup his words with actions at some point.

Worst timeline.
 
cireza said:
I couldn't care less about Xbox or PS having the most powerful console, since all the games they make suck ass. And Nintendo isn't much better and everything runs like shit on their hardware.

Itsumi said he had revived SEGA, but I am not seeing a new SEGA console in store. He might want to backup his words with actions at some point.

Worst timeline.
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First party games sure haven't been great this gen, 3rd party have carried most of the weight so far for me
 
I do not think so. If you look at current sales Series consoles are selling worse than last gen Xbox, not sure how or why this is happening. But anyways making a very expensive console will be another DOA decision by Microsoft. I think they will release mini PC with windows OS around 1000$ an alternative to gaming laptops. Console will be some 500 or 600$ Max 700$ I think. According to rumors it is expected to have 68CU and PS6 is very likely have 60CU just like the PS5 Pro so not much difference there and we do not know the clock speed, memory etc so it is difficult to say now about performance.
 
cireza said:
I couldn't care less about Xbox or PS having the most powerful console, since all the games they make suck ass. And Nintendo isn't much better and everything runs like shit on their hardware.

Itsumi said he had revived SEGA, but I am not seeing a new SEGA console in store. He might want to backup his words with actions at some point.

Worst timeline.
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Does someone need a hug?
 
Just be happy with whatever platform and price youre comfortable with. If power was be all and end all, then everyone would go PC, everyone would go SMS over NES, Xbox OG vs GC/PS2 etc...

Even within the same ecosystem, I dont think the typical PS gamer cares about who has Pro and who doesnt, and for Xbox who has X or S.

I even got a 4070 laptop which is pretty good. I dont know how it exactly compares to Series X, but I prefer playing most games on console on my big TV. But for indie games or m/kb games, I go PC.
 
Geometric-Crusher said:
why ?
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Why. You dare to ask why ?

Bro, there is a timeline somewhere, where the games being announced are a new Shining Force, a new Panzer Dragoon, a new Sega Rally, platformers, shmups, a new Dragon Force etc... And all of these games are actually the big AAA releases. So in this timeline, we are actually getting a ton more variety than what we have right now, where every single game looks like it is copy-pasted with the lowest risk possible from another, explaining how only a few styles and genres are represent in big releases.

Fuck this. When will we see a game like Ikaruga again already ? Or Panzer Dragoon Orta ? With the same insane production value.
When you look at the big games being released, everything is a fucking First or Third Person Action game and they all look the same ! All JRPGs have become the same dumb open-world filled with fetch-quests. And otherwise it is some online battleroyale.

We are seriously lacking in variety to the point people don't even realize that games can be something else than the 5 templates we are constantly getting.

ecosse_011172 said:
Does someone need a hug?
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Send a pic first.
 
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ecosse_011172 said:
I'd love a new SEGA console, I'd be all over it.
It's never, ever happening though.
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If he loves Sega, he'll have to accept that it's almost impossible for them to have a powerful console. It would require a cluster of ARM chips
, and we've seen that Apple's most powerful chip is like an RTX 4060 Ti. It would be the return of the Sega Saturn.
 
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It will probably end up close to current gen, real life differences will be smaller than power difference on paper.

PS5 Pro is ~45% better than PS5 and while in some games differences are big in many games differences are very small. As usual, it's all about developers...
 
Geometric-Crusher said:
Although Xbox hardware business is almost dead, the Xbox division is like Jason, rumors point out that the new Xbox will be more powerful than the PS6 , however the price will be without subsidy, that is, $1200 and up. This made me think about the extent to which processing power is important.

I'll avoid citing extreme examples like the Neo Geo AES or 3DO, where the technology was impressive but the price definitely reduced them to niche consoles.

The PS5 Pro is the best example. The best it can offer compared to the PS5 is running quality mode at 60fps. The PS5 runs performance mode at 60fps. In practice, we're going from 1440p60 to 4K 60fps. So, even though the Xbox is more powerful, the difference would only be a higher number in the dynamic resolution range.

Having the most powerful console (even if it's 30% powerful) is good because 90% of games are multiplatform.

A true strategy of having the most powerful console is similar to the strategy of having the least powerful console. That is, it's necessary to offer many exclusive games to take advantage of the difference, as third-party developers won't do it, so having a powerful console is a thankless strategy.

Higher R&D costs
Higher subsidies
Higher spending on games


more powerful 30%, what do you think about it?
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For the rumored pricing, not worth it unless you're Jizz Corden ™.
 
Geometric-Crusher said:
Although Xbox hardware business is almost dead, the Xbox division is like Jason, rumors point out that the new Xbox will be more powerful than the PS6 , however the price will be without subsidy, that is, $1200 and up. This made me think about the extent to which processing power is important.

I'll avoid citing extreme examples like the Neo Geo AES or 3DO, where the technology was impressive but the price definitely reduced them to niche consoles.

The PS5 Pro is the best example. The best it can offer compared to the PS5 is running quality mode at 60fps. The PS5 runs performance mode at 60fps. In practice, we're going from 1440p60 to 4K 60fps. So, even though the Xbox is more powerful, the difference would only be a higher number in the dynamic resolution range.

Having the most powerful console (even if it's 30% powerful) is good because 90% of games are multiplatform.

A true strategy of having the most powerful console is similar to the strategy of having the least powerful console. That is, it's necessary to offer many exclusive games to take advantage of the difference, as third-party developers won't do it, so having a powerful console is a thankless strategy.

Higher R&D costs
Higher subsidies
Higher spending on games


more powerful 30%, what do you think about it?
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You mean like series X? Because it not worked that well the last time.
 
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It'll technically be 30% more powerful than a PS6 on paper. But having a Windows OS on it is going to take up too much system resources and it'll be on the same level as the PS6
 
Geometric-Crusher said:
Although Xbox hardware business is almost dead, the Xbox division is like Jason, rumors point out that the new Xbox will be more powerful than the PS6 , however the price will be without subsidy, that is, $1200 and up. This made me think about the extent to which processing power is important.

I'll avoid citing extreme examples like the Neo Geo AES or 3DO, where the technology was impressive but the price definitely reduced them to niche consoles.

The PS5 Pro is the best example. The best it can offer compared to the PS5 is running quality mode at 60fps. The PS5 runs performance mode at 60fps. In practice, we're going from 1440p60 to 4K 60fps. So, even though the Xbox is more powerful, the difference would only be a higher number in the dynamic resolution range.

Having the most powerful console (even if it's 30% powerful) is good because 90% of games are multiplatform.

A true strategy of having the most powerful console is similar to the strategy of having the least powerful console. That is, it's necessary to offer many exclusive games to take advantage of the difference, as third-party developers won't do it, so having a powerful console is a thankless strategy.

Higher R&D costs
Higher subsidies
Higher spending on games


more powerful 30%, what do you think about it?
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If you're looking more than 60 FPS on Quality mode on a console, you're doing it wrong.
 
30% won't make much of a difference, since PS consoles almost always punch above their weight with bespoke hardware and optimizations. The timing though, would be more interesting. If this thing launches a year in advance, I can see it capturing some portion of the market for whom money is not an issue and if something like GTA 6 plays at 60 fps, while the other consoles don't. Would they also buy a PS6 a year later? Would depend on how much they care for the exclusives and the PS ecosystem.

Personally, I'd just wait for the PS6. No interest in owning more than one console and I love the exclusives (for the most part)
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
I know I am not part of the masses with this statement but for my console games give me all the power I can get

Heck I would be all over a 5090 level console to play games like GTA 6
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Welcome to the family, I always knew you was team green, move out the way the power kings are coming through 💪🟢.
 
Reality is that even assuming a 2027 launch, the cross gen period is going to last until 2030 at least.

So its going to be more power to do the same workloads; e.g a frame-rate and pre-upscale res boost. Maybe a few extras at best.
 
Clear said:
Reality is that even assuming a 2027 launch, the cross gen period is going to last until 2030 at least.

So its going to be more power to do the same workloads; e.g a frame-rate and pre-upscale res boost. Maybe a few extras at best.
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2030 gives everyone 5 years to save up. It's going to be Expensive!
 
For a while, I thought they might bring back another monster as fan service and a farewell tour. But I don't even believe that anymore. I think they might bring a partner on board for PC and just run it under the Xbox name.
 
I don't think it will really matter, and not be that doable given the decline of hardware advancements now. You're not even getting 30% improvement going from the 4090 to 5090 nvidia gpus, and those are overpriced rip-offs that cost more than an entire mid-tier PC itself. PS5 PRO got mocked on the internet with squinting memes because it doesn't matter anymore outside the core enthusiast audience.

Only chance they have is if they somehow invest a pile of money on a magic NPU chip that can utilize AI way better than their competition, because the rasterization wars are dead.
 
There's already an answer to that question, OP. The Series X is technically 20% more powerful than the PS5, which proved to be useless both from a performance or marketing standpoint.
 
Geometric-Crusher said:
rumors point out that the new Xbox will be more powerful than the PS6
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I've been following the spec leak since the beginning and I haven't heard of this, not even once.

Where did you hear about this "rumor", about it being more powerful than the PS6?

Can it be more powerful? Sure. So can the PS6. We don't have clock leaks for the Xbox and CU count or even what arch the GPU will be on the PS6, yet, let alone it's clocks.

What's the source of this rumor that you posted in the OP?
 
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