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Just use the upcoming Xbox app on PC and you will have a more powerful Xbox than what MS makes.
I think the same. In 2013, this could have worked because there was no ML upscaling, but today no one cares if the game only has a "higher dynamic resolution"over ps6.30% is like nothing. It needs to be like 150% more powerful or don't even bother.
(The same person)Just use the upcoming Xbox app on PC and you will have a more powerful Xbox than what MS makes.
Now where have we heard this before? hmmmm, very familiar, Deja Vu evenAlthough Xbox hardware business is almost dead, the Xbox division is like Jason, rumors point out that the new Xbox will be more powerful than the PS6 , however the price will be without subsidy, that is, $1200 and up. This made me think about the extent to which processing power is important.
I'll avoid citing extreme examples like the Neo Geo AES or 3DO, where the technology was impressive but the price definitely reduced them to niche consoles.
The PS5 Pro is the best example. The best it can offer compared to the PS5 is running quality mode at 60fps. The PS5 runs performance mode at 60fps. In practice, we're going from 1440p60 to 4K 60fps. So, even though the Xbox is more powerful, the difference would only be a higher number in the dynamic resolution range.
Having the most powerful console (even if it's 30% powerful) is good because 90% of games are multiplatform.
A true strategy of having the most powerful console is similar to the strategy of having the least powerful console. That is, it's necessary to offer many exclusive games to take advantage of the difference, as third-party developers won't do it, so having a powerful console is a thankless strategy.
Higher R&D costs
Higher subsidies
Higher spending on games
more powerful 30%, what do you think about it?
Right a more powerful PC would make sense to play Xbox games and it's been this way since Xbox One.(The same person)
-When the PC is proposed as an alternative to a PS console... "The PC that's superior to consoles costs $2,000+, is complicated to use, and game optimization is awful."
-When the PC is proposed as an alternative to an Xbox console... "A powerful PC is the best, and the XBOX app gives you the same experience as the OS of an XSeries console."
Is it just me, or is there a bit of a double standard?![]()
So a powerful PC is the best option for playing any game on any console... I'm sure even you appreciate the double standardRight a more powerful PC would make sense to play Xbox games and it's been this way since Xbox One.
Will be this way for the upcoming XPCBOX.
Not for me it isn't.So a powerful PC is the best option for playing any game on any console... I'm sure even you appreciate the double standard
PS. And if you don't... It's time someone told you the reality![]()
Ok, "your reality". All correct.Not for me it isn't.
Only for Xbox most agree and this is our reality.
Xbox console sales have been dramaticly down since all the games started coming to PC.Ok, "your reality". All correct.![]()
Who's going to tell him?Xbox console sales have been dramaticly down since all the games started coming to PC.
Most Xbox games until recently were mainly played on PC. So yeah this is a reality for most who play Xbox.
Stop trying to get help.Who's going to tell him?
30% isn't as much as you think it is.
Simply impossible to happen. More unlikely than Neil DeGrasse Tyson admitting that we have been constantly visited by extraterrestrials since long before the first civilizations. The Xbox Hardware division is dead, nothing more will ever come out of it. They'll license the brand from now on and that's it.Although Xbox hardware business is almost dead, the Xbox division is like Jason, rumors point out that the new Xbox will be more powerful than the PS6 , however the price will be without subsidy, that is, $1200 and up. This made me think about the extent to which processing power is important.
I'll avoid citing extreme examples like the Neo Geo AES or 3DO, where the technology was impressive but the price definitely reduced them to niche consoles.
The PS5 Pro is the best example. The best it can offer compared to the PS5 is running quality mode at 60fps. The PS5 runs performance mode at 60fps. In practice, we're going from 1440p60 to 4K 60fps. So, even though the Xbox is more powerful, the difference would only be a higher number in the dynamic resolution range.
Having the most powerful console (even if it's 30% powerful) is good because 90% of games are multiplatform.
A true strategy of having the most powerful console is similar to the strategy of having the least powerful console. That is, it's necessary to offer many exclusive games to take advantage of the difference, as third-party developers won't do it, so having a powerful console is a thankless strategy.
Higher R&D costs
Higher subsidies
Higher spending on games
more powerful 30%, what do you think about it?
If I understood what Utsumi meant by reviving Sega, he means their hardware business.Utsumi said he had revived SEGA, but I am not seeing a new SEGA console in store. He might want to backup his words with actions at some point.
In 2013, 30% could yield a delta as small as 1000p to 1080p.I think the same. In 2013, this could have worked because there was no ML upscaling, but today no one cares if the game only has a "higher dynamic resolution"over ps6.
I wonder if it's time to bring back 'iLink' for future consoles to satisfy that kind of audience - instead of inflating base console price, sell multiple boxes to people that want more power.Heck I would be all over a 5090 level console to play games like GTA 6
based on DF's analysis in Hitman as a benchmark the difference between both is 30% this means 1080p vs 900p, at that time this made sense, there was no 4k TV, there was no FSR, So buying a console to run all multiplatform games in lower quality, even if small, wasn't worth it, but today 30% just means a higher number within a dynamic resolution on both.In 2013, 30% could yield a delta as small as 1000p to 1080p.
Besides history tells us that larger deltas have been mostly missed by public for what they were.
In 2013, PS4 was averaging between 50-100% better performance and people still argued if it was 'noticeable enough' for years. 30%
I'm not a developer but in my calculations Xbox was 100% (2x) over PS2 without effects and 45% superior with all effects (this was huge because it was faster and looked like another gen).In 2001, Xbox was between 200%-300% faster than any other console and people STILL argue today if it beat GC at all, and where/how PS2 could beat it as well.
In my opinion, what favored the 1x was having more memory for textures , textures are a good investment.Hell the only XBox where the universally accepted power-scaling actually applied was 1X and that only because it had more coverage from DF than the rest of XBoxes combined.
We don't know that. Maybe it will be 0% more powerful. Or 60%. Or -30%. Or...It'll technically be 30% more powerful than a PS6 on paper.
2-5 X the price of PS6.We don't know that. Maybe it will be 0% more powerful. Or 60%. Or -30%. Or...
I have a pc and I don't care about power. I game on PC bc the game choice.If you care about power you own a PC.
They had the most powerful console this gen and what did it help?
Yea we're in complete agreement there - that's why I pointed to extreme examples still not amounting to much at all.These are extreme situations, but the point is 30% is not an important difference so situations like this sound like a waste of money to me.
But that's a 44% uplift, not 30% - and it virtually never came with exact parity (most X1 games either also ran worse, had reduced other settings, or both).based on DF's analysis in Hitman as a benchmark the difference between both is 30% this means 1080p vs 900p,
That gen was a lot messier to compare h2h because hardware had actual, tangible differences beyond the number of compute units and clock-speeds. Consider that the starting point was 3x useable memory and a built in hard-drive, even if other specs were identical XBox games would always look better just on that alone.I'm not a developer but in my calculations Xbox was 100% (2x) over PS2 without effects and 45% superior with all effects (this was huge because it was faster and looked like another gen).
I think it's just a fantasy that will never happen and in case it would happen that would also mean that this Xbox would be way more expensive than the PS it would be competing against. So if PS already heavily dominates Xbox in sales, PS would dominate it even more.an xbox 30% more powerful than a playstation, what do you think about that ?
No, they don't want to invest the time and money to harness the power of current gen consoles.All companies cannot even harness the power of the current gen......and takes 5+ years and hundred of millions of dollars. We don't need a PS6 or next Xbox
Not for me it isn't.
Only for Xbox most agree and this is our reality.
I have said this for maybe 2 years here now but Xbox is not trying to go head to head with Playstation anymore, its not workingDepends on the price right. If the PS6 is 500 dollars and the next Xbox is like 1000 dollaroonies then a 30% uplift isn't going to cut it. If there is a significant gap in price, there needs to be a significant gap in performance.
I have said this for maybe 2 years here now but Xbox is not trying to go head to head with Playstation anymore, its not working
Likely a super small market for what's coming but at least they are trying something different instead of running their heads into the same brick wallYeah, I think they have totally given up on that fight too. Whether there is a market for what they are going to try is going to be interesting to watch.
Likely a super small market for what's coming but at least they are trying something different instead of running their heads into the same brick wall
I have said this for maybe 2 years here now but Xbox is not trying to go head to head with Playstation anymore, its not working