Andor S2 |OT| Remember Star Wars?
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Ammogeddon
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Andor is the only Star Wars content I'm interested in these days. Hope it's at least as good as last season.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Great batch of Episodes, I'm happy they are releasing three episodes per week
Trunx81
Member
Watch season 1 and try this again. It's the best Star Wars since the old trilogy. By far.
Ar¢tos
Member
I watched it!
It was completely pointless in the grand scheme of story wars story.
Nothing that happened was relevant.
Trunx81
Member
It was a perfect representation of the "common" guys. Star Wars has always been a bunch of heroes fighting off stupid minions that can't hit the target. Andor was the first show that made you experience the fear the empire is oozing out. That tie fighter scene, man… chills!
Ar¢tos
Member
So it's slowly becoming the Hallmark channel?
Trunx81
Member
nah, it doesn´t have Jedi in it, so no religious stuff.
HoodWinked
Member
first 3 wasn't nearly as good as the first season. the show does still look beautiful the $290 million budget really shows.
Oberstein
Member
Well. Whoa, the first three episodes are a bit of a mixed bag. The good and the bad.
The good stuff is pretty easy to spot:
The good stuff is pretty easy to spot:
- Incredible production quality for the budget. Costumes, environments, etc. Everything looks great and tasteful. Compared to the garbage we got in Boba Fett and The Acolyte, this is money well spent.
- The intro of episode 1 is perfect.
- Solid acting, which saves a few scenes (unlike the two other shows mentioned above).
- The rebels are dumb, and honestly, that makes more sense.
- Dedra and Syril are still compelling.
- Mon Mothma's dance sequence — excellent.
- The overall setup works well across the three episodes. There's tension, events overlapping... but I don't know, something just feels off. In Season 1, the secondary characters were easy to get attached to. Here, the rebels are forgettable, and none of the new side characters really stand out.
- The rape scene is powerful, but the Imperial officer is so unbelievably stupid that it kills the credibility of the moment.
- A bit too caricatured: all WASPs on Chandrila, and a joyful multi-ethnic cast on the farming planet… Meh, Tony, you've done better.
- Some of the Chandrila scenes could've been trimmed. We go in circles with Tay — like, okay, we get there's a problem, no need to rehash it three times.
- Luthen is too flat in this stretch. Honestly, any random actor could've played his part.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
With all the fuss about the Oblivion remaster I completely forgot about this lol. Will try and make some time to watch it asap, loved S1.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
This is the final season and the prequel to Rogue One right? Havent seen s1 yet, was waiting for it to be done. Not a fan of prequels but might give it a go.
Laptop1991
Member
Strange start, i like Andor as it was a gritty and realistic show in the Star Wars universe, he should be dead after 10 mins lol, what kind of escape plan includes not knowing how to fly a Tie Fighter but magically surviving every one of the many mishaps lol.
Not gonna lie, a Star Wars Hallmark movie about small planet girl who leaves to go to Coruscant and meets super busy Imperial lawyer and then is sent back to small planet where she runs into high school small planet flame who secretly a Rebel and now she has to choose.......damn, that's some crossover synergy!!!
Get the "that's so fetch" lady from Mean Girls who's in all of these hallmark films to star!
Bet you could get Mark Hamill to be cranky old man johnson, Billy Dee Williams as the barber who dispenses wisdom, Anthony Daniels is the town mayor, a picture of Harrison Ford on a wall.....it would be great!
Agreed with the sentiments in here so far. Great production values, but the scenario and character writing have taken a dip. The forest stuff in particular is really grating and unnatural, like theater kids cosplaying as dumb, impulsive partisans. But I will continue.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
The attempted rape scene is an intentional metaphor for what Disney has done to the Star Wars franchise over the years.
Powerful.
Powerful.
Nonehxc
Member
That Episode 1 first scene...
As for the rest, it is the zany and dumb part of Star Wars we're seeing here, the calm before the storm, I hope.
As for the rest, it is the zany and dumb part of Star Wars we're seeing here, the calm before the storm, I hope.
If S1 is anything to go by, I'm seeing Saw Guerrera/Luthen coming for Cassian and executing every last one of those Mai Tai dumbfucks.
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SirKicksalot
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Having finally watched Andor over the weekend, these new episodes are garbage lol
The Rebel Moon Rape on Farm Planet subplot, the endless boring rituals, the super lame vibes at the party, the repetitive plot with that one guy.
I liked the mother scenes because they were so Lynchian but the rest is just Disney Star Wars and I hate it.
The Rebel Moon Rape on Farm Planet subplot, the endless boring rituals, the super lame vibes at the party, the repetitive plot with that one guy.
I liked the mother scenes because they were so Lynchian but the rest is just Disney Star Wars and I hate it.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Rough start, TBH....
Hopefully this picks up.....
-I dont give a fuck about the romance between 2 imperial officers (my gut tells me one of them will betray the empire....probably the blonde chick)
-Who cares about Mon Mothmas kid's wedding, and what was up with her just geting trashed and dancing like a doofus a rave party in Ep 3?
-Who cares about Mon Mothmas kid's wedding, and what was up with her just geting trashed and dancing like a doofus a rave party in Ep 3?
Hopefully this picks up.....
I thought the opening 3 episodes had a lot of filler for a final season of a big budget show.
Started off on a high note but it had an extended adventure to the jungle planet that didn't seem to matter and we got Mon Mothma tied to a wedding for 3 episodes. This is in stark contrast to the gritty Blade Runner opening of the first season.
The most we learned of the larger plot seems to come from the Imperials trying to mine a planet critical to the Death Star development.
There's a lot of ground to cover between episode 3 and Mon Mothma bringing the Rebellion public in 2BBY or Rogue One, whichever point is the end.
Started off on a high note but it had an extended adventure to the jungle planet that didn't seem to matter and we got Mon Mothma tied to a wedding for 3 episodes. This is in stark contrast to the gritty Blade Runner opening of the first season.
The most we learned of the larger plot seems to come from the Imperials trying to mine a planet critical to the Death Star development.
There's a lot of ground to cover between episode 3 and Mon Mothma bringing the Rebellion public in 2BBY or Rogue One, whichever point is the end.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Lovely, has a certain Mass Effect 1 vibe to it.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I really liked the first 3 episodes. It's a show that's just as much about political intrigue as it is any sort of action.
The stuff with Mon Mothma was meant to show the side of the elite getting involved in this rebellion and I thought it was handled really well. They are at her kid's wedding because she got involved with that scoundrel and promised away her son to support the rebellion. It's about what she sacrificed for the cause, despite living a posh life. Things are unravelling around her hence why they have her do the weird dancing at the end, I think it was meant to be symbolic as well with how everyone was sort of crowding her (walls closing in.)
The rebels that Andor was dealing with were somewhat of a weak point but a lot of that is just slightly goofy acting; the "point" likely was that groups of rebels are not going to be cohesive and are going to involve a whole lot of people that don't know WTF they are doing, and are likely to turn on each other. Their sacrifice is to starve and probably die.
You had the elites at the top, you had those idiots at the bottom, and then the more organized but still at peril rebels hiding on the farms who are destined to be actually effective soldiers/leaders sandwiched between. And of course we saw the literal sacrifice of one of their own.
The stuff with Mon Mothma was meant to show the side of the elite getting involved in this rebellion and I thought it was handled really well. They are at her kid's wedding because she got involved with that scoundrel and promised away her son to support the rebellion. It's about what she sacrificed for the cause, despite living a posh life. Things are unravelling around her hence why they have her do the weird dancing at the end, I think it was meant to be symbolic as well with how everyone was sort of crowding her (walls closing in.)
The rebels that Andor was dealing with were somewhat of a weak point but a lot of that is just slightly goofy acting; the "point" likely was that groups of rebels are not going to be cohesive and are going to involve a whole lot of people that don't know WTF they are doing, and are likely to turn on each other. Their sacrifice is to starve and probably die.
You had the elites at the top, you had those idiots at the bottom, and then the more organized but still at peril rebels hiding on the farms who are destined to be actually effective soldiers/leaders sandwiched between. And of course we saw the literal sacrifice of one of their own.
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Mixed feelings on them first 3. Hopefully it's a lot of puzzle pieces being set-up, because it's a slow burn. For me I didn't appreciate Season 1 until I rewatched it all at once. I hope this season ramps up like season 1. It's definitely not Lucas Star Wars though. People can hate on Outlaws all they want, but the inclusion of Nix, was so Lucas. The tone was more Lucas. Adult Star Wars, just makes me wish Underworld series would have been made.
Acting, sets, the amount spent on that one Tie Fighter. Production values cearly well spent. But a lot of filler so far and repeating. Looking forward to the improvements coming.
Acting, sets, the amount spent on that one Tie Fighter. Production values cearly well spent. But a lot of filler so far and repeating. Looking forward to the improvements coming.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
What an episode that was in season 1 with the prison. WOW.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
I can't believe how much better this is than 99% of all the other Disney SW productions. Comparing this to The Acolyte is like comparing the Sistine Chapel to a dog turd. There's no comparison honestly. The budget is slightly larger for this show than Acolyte, but it looks so insanely good and has terrific writing and actors. I have no idea where the money went in Leslye Headland's show.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I am surprised that so many people seem to dislike the Yavin rebel scenes. The Disney Star Wars canon has often painted the Empire as full of incompetents, so it was nice to see the Rebels painted in a similar light for once. If I disliked anything it was the farm scenes. I genuinely do not care about any of those characters, and Bix's assault scene is just a rehash of her season 1 torture.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
I think they'll be used by the Empire to affect Gohrman, otherwise they were insanely pointless and frankly annoying.
Oberstein
Member
Exactly. You can criticize the first three episodes for certain things, but when it comes to production quality, costumes (and above all, good taste), it's night and day compared to the other Star Wars series. That was already the case with the first season. It's a goldmine for developers—there's so much potential.
Actually, as Gilroy mentioned in several interviews, it's great to see the Rebels portrayed as something other than a monolithic group, with different factions and, most importantly, a bit of stupidity (because, as I've said, if the Empire has its share of idiots, there's no reason the other side wouldn't as well). What I do regret is the rock-paper-scissors moment at the end of episode 2… Gilroy really went too far with that one—it's just way too dumb.
DreamcastSkies
Gold Member
I'm not big on the tone of the Andor series (it is done very well, it just isn't the sort of tone I gravitate towards in fictional entertainment) but I acknowledge it does what it is trying to do very well and yeah, the prison episodes of season 1 hit hard.
I liked it, but it didn't work well intertwined with the 4 other plots going on and being drawn out for 3 episodes. It would have worked better in a normal A/B plot episode and the way it ended was just too comedic. It shows how all types of people can get involved with a cause and sometimes you can end up with a lot of stupid people. It reminds me of that Vice video about those Islamic fighters (with Abu Hajaar) that gets memed and some of the stuff that's happened in the Ukraine/Russia conflict. The ranks of these groups aren't filled with quality people and without a good leader, you end up with soldiers making stupid decisions.
I think the acting and directing/editing was overall weaker than the first season, but that's relatively minor and i hope it improves.
The tone isn't as serious as the original, where the comedic bits felt more natural. In the new season, parts seemed like it was written to be comedic first, like the dinner with mom or that stupid rebels rock/paper/scissors game.
The farm planet stuff was fine, despite feeling like the Parent Groups from the 80s were pushing their notes.
So you can tell there's more higher up people sticking their fingers into the new season, though showrunner is still in charge and keeping their input to a minimum (so far). The other Star Wars shows are more obvious in their modern audience flair.
There was an edge to season 1, in every single episode, and that's missing for season 2.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
Lot to digest in this thread let me try and tackle a few broad points
Imagine thinking that none of this matters. There seems to be a disconnect that the show is actively trying to impress upon people that everything matters, but it goes above people's heads because they can't see it.
Did blowing up the Death Star in Episode 4 matter? Obviously it did, it was a massive achievement by the Rebel Alliance and a major blow to the Empire. How did they blow it up though? Only because of the plans to the Death Star. How did they get the plans? Rogue One covers that. How did Cassian get into a place to recover the plans though? How did he and the Rebel Alliance even get to the point where they could have an assault on the first Death Star?
Cassian Andor has been a central figure to the Rebellian and like Luke Skywalker in many ways was an unlikely hero. He really didn't have any intention of joining the Rebels. So how did he become who he is in Rogue One... literally everything in this show matters. The smallest events or actions build and cascade.
How did the United States become a super power? Because most of the country was left unscathed from the 2nd world war and we became the world's bank. How did we get into WW2? Japan attacked us. Why did Japan attack us? To cripple the US naval fleet in hopes they couldn't get involved in the war. How did the war start? Why did Japan join Germany in WW2? Because of shared expansionist objectives... All of this stuff matters. Knowing the conclusion doesn't change the importance of events leading up to the conclusion.
This is a major misunderstanding based on not paying enough attention.
The scene goes to paint not only the power imbalance between the Imperials and everyone else (particularly people caught behind the law here) but also the type of people who are okay with being part of the Empire. Much of Andor is painting a picture of who and what the Empire is. This very much mirrors the scene out of Inglourious Basterds.
Similar to the scene above, Andor is also trying to paint of a picture of what the Rebellion looks like. The scenes in the forest are used to contrast the boardroom scene with the Empire. The Rebellion is unorganized and inexperienced and maybe most importantly, ununified, while the Empire has strategy on top of strategy and a clear chain of command. Part of the show's goal is to show us how the Rebel Alliance was formed, which again is why I find it puzzling that anyone would state that these events don't matter.
In Season 1 Saw explains how the Rebels are all massively different politically and have different ideologies and motives, so they're not going to work together, but we know that eventually they will work together. The other thing that it does though is explain why the New Republic is so weak. Andor is doing for the prequels and the sequels, as well as the OT and even some of these bad tv shows, what Clone Wars did for the prequels. It's making them better by adding more color and richer history.
They're supposed to come across as dumb and impulsive partisans. It's exactly what they're going for here. They were literally playing rock paper, scissors for leadership... All it took was some inexperienced morons to be separated from their leadership and a couple days without food for them to start killing each other.
Yet somehow groups like this collectively will defeat the dreaded Empire... Stay tuned to find out how on the next episode of Andor...
Imagine thinking that none of this matters. There seems to be a disconnect that the show is actively trying to impress upon people that everything matters, but it goes above people's heads because they can't see it.
Did blowing up the Death Star in Episode 4 matter? Obviously it did, it was a massive achievement by the Rebel Alliance and a major blow to the Empire. How did they blow it up though? Only because of the plans to the Death Star. How did they get the plans? Rogue One covers that. How did Cassian get into a place to recover the plans though? How did he and the Rebel Alliance even get to the point where they could have an assault on the first Death Star?
Cassian Andor has been a central figure to the Rebellian and like Luke Skywalker in many ways was an unlikely hero. He really didn't have any intention of joining the Rebels. So how did he become who he is in Rogue One... literally everything in this show matters. The smallest events or actions build and cascade.
How did the United States become a super power? Because most of the country was left unscathed from the 2nd world war and we became the world's bank. How did we get into WW2? Japan attacked us. Why did Japan attack us? To cripple the US naval fleet in hopes they couldn't get involved in the war. How did the war start? Why did Japan join Germany in WW2? Because of shared expansionist objectives... All of this stuff matters. Knowing the conclusion doesn't change the importance of events leading up to the conclusion.
This is a major misunderstanding based on not paying enough attention.
- Andor is a great pilot
- Andor DID train to fly what was likely a Tie Fighter
- This wasn't a Tie Fighter it was a Tie Interceptor
- Not only was it not the right ship but seemingly the controls weren't configured properly
- He didn't magically survive, he taught himself how to fly it again because he is an excellent pilot and he has a knack for survival as we've seen throughout the show (up until he runs out of luck in Rogue One)
- He has way more firepower than the stormtroopers in the hangar bay
- He has more speed than the Tie Fighters in pursuit of him, heavier armament, and again is the better pilot
The scene goes to paint not only the power imbalance between the Imperials and everyone else (particularly people caught behind the law here) but also the type of people who are okay with being part of the Empire. Much of Andor is painting a picture of who and what the Empire is. This very much mirrors the scene out of Inglourious Basterds.
Similar to the scene above, Andor is also trying to paint of a picture of what the Rebellion looks like. The scenes in the forest are used to contrast the boardroom scene with the Empire. The Rebellion is unorganized and inexperienced and maybe most importantly, ununified, while the Empire has strategy on top of strategy and a clear chain of command. Part of the show's goal is to show us how the Rebel Alliance was formed, which again is why I find it puzzling that anyone would state that these events don't matter.
In Season 1 Saw explains how the Rebels are all massively different politically and have different ideologies and motives, so they're not going to work together, but we know that eventually they will work together. The other thing that it does though is explain why the New Republic is so weak. Andor is doing for the prequels and the sequels, as well as the OT and even some of these bad tv shows, what Clone Wars did for the prequels. It's making them better by adding more color and richer history.
They're supposed to come across as dumb and impulsive partisans. It's exactly what they're going for here. They were literally playing rock paper, scissors for leadership... All it took was some inexperienced morons to be separated from their leadership and a couple days without food for them to start killing each other.
Yet somehow groups like this collectively will defeat the dreaded Empire... Stay tuned to find out how on the next episode of Andor...
You misread my post in between writing that wall of text apologia.
Laptop1991
Member
Nah, that wasn't conveyed well in the opening scene, it was all over the place, he even says later he doesn't know how to fly it, he should have some understanding of the basics anyway if he is that good of a pilot, and he banged it up all over the joint, sorry mate i don't see it your way.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
I had a different take on this. She basically just ordered the death of her best friend whose eyes were bigger than his stomach. It's him who she has sacrificed for the Rebellion. It's not just that things are unraveling, but she's just lost a huge part of her humanity, which is why she doesn't want to think about the things that are about to happen (i.e. his assassination) so instead she downs multiple drinks to escape from the reality she has just put into motion. The dancing also represents an escape rather than the walls closing in on her, at this point, they aren't closing in on her at all. As Tay said, her financials have been smoothed over without the empire being the wiser, the rebels have a stream of money through her "foundation" that looks legitimate, and Davos got what he wanted too. The only person who hadn't gotten what he wanted was him, so he decides to blackmail her, which leaves her no choice but to inform Luthen.
I can see why at first glance why people would think the acting was weak here, but it wasn't. The acted like the characters they were trying to portray. This was a group of idiots, who don't know what they're doing. Cassian has to tell them numerous times what to do next, set up tarps, set up a perimeter, shoot the others so they can turn the ship around. Not everyone in the RA is Luthen or Andor. It's a tapestry of people whose dedication to the cause and intelligence are all vastly different.
I don't think the theme here was sacrifice but rather as I mentioned before to contrast them with the Empire who was more organized.
You'll notice that Andor hit the silo in his attempts to kill the stormtroopers. There is collateral damage constantly throughout the show. It's hard for everyone even those who aren't actively involved. And as Brasso said, this is happening everywhere.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
What did I misread? You said it was grating and unnatural acting, but I felt it conveyed what they were going for properly.
There is a pilot among the Maya Pei Brigade who under no pressure and plenty of time can't even get the ship up... She says "It's all new and none of it makes sense"
You later see Andor rewiring the ship to reconfigure it when he sets off the thrusters in the middle of space.
You said it wasn't conveyed well in the opening scene, yet it was... the second he gets inside the ship, he has a wtf look on his face, looks at the controls and is trying to engage with it, when random things start happening, and immediately after trying to engage it he flys backwards when trying to forwards...
It would be like saying he should know the basics when the basics are beyond reversed...
He specifically says its not the ship he was trained to fly and asks if she knew that or if anyone knew that. This is to tell us how difficult it is to get information across in secrecy. He said he has been upside down for two days while he reconfigured the flight controls. Once he cuts the line we see him flying without much issue.
Laptop1991
Member
Disagree, it wasn't for me.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
It's one thing to say it wasn't for you, but what exactly are you disagreeing with?
Everything I said, happened in the show... There's an orgy of evidence conveying what this ship is and what was wrong with it and his plan to fly it out of there.
It was a prototype test ship that wasn't even ready to be flown.
Me: "The forest stuff in particular is really grating and unnatural, like theater kids cosplaying as dumb, impulsive partisans."
You: "They're supposed to come across as dumb and impulsive partisans. It's exactly what they're going for here. "
The point is that it was a poorly realized and unnatural attempt by people who were acting more like theater kids doing cosplay, not that there's a problem with the concept of being dumb, impulsive partisans, the latter of which is plainly the intent of the scenes.
Three walls of text in 21 minutes attacking everyone for not understanding anything. The only person in here not understanding anything is you.
Laptop1991
Member
That opening scene was bad, it looked like he had never flown anything ever and crashed all over the Hangar so it should of blown up, 5 minutes later he is out manouvering 2 ships easily and flying like Han Solo then later when contacting the agent he says he can't fly it,
The Forest scenes weren't good and seemed written by amateurs and i have no idea what is supposed to be happening during this damn party, i'm not liking what i've seen so far and think it's no where near as good as season 1, you can like it all you want but at the minute i don't.
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
The scene reminds me of the scenes in Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels with the group that was selling Rory's weed but were generally unserious individuals. I wonder what acting dumb in a more natural way looks like on screen that would be more palatable here, because this felt pretty much the same to me, other than maybe going on a bit longer than it needed to.
But happy to agree to disagree here.
He has a more maneuverable ship. It's literally the point of the Tie Interceptor vs the Tie Fighter. He doesn't even really outmaneuver them either. He caves in the cavern on top of them. They're directly behind him and have less time to clear the cave in. He contacts the agent to say the information given to him wasn't accurate. By this time he's been flying the ship for a couple days and clearly has a better handle on it.
Not sure why you think the ship should have blown up. None of the impact he takes here should have resulted in serious damage let alone blowing it up.
I wouldn't say the forest scenes were my favorite, but I think you guys are being maybe a bit overly critical.
Many things are happening during the wedding
- Mon Mothma is being hardened as a leader and further isolated from her family
- Luthen is trolling for information in a social gathering
- Luthen is panicking about not getting the information about the tie interceptor
- Cinta has been working on Chandrilla the whole time without contacting Vel
- Showing that Cinta has no time for fun and games or "life" as Mon put it and is only really interested in the rebellion and her revenge
- There are degrees to this and Vel and Mon are learning that here
- The Chandrillians are living lavishly while the people on Mina Rau are struggling to farm the land, they're put in stark contrast to each other
Edit: I'll add that the circle which is already much smaller than the Empire's circle got even smaller with them killing off Tay. The Empire doesn't realize that while they're organized, they involve too many people at high level meetings. I'm sure in the next set of episodes we'll see Lonny for example continue to leak information to Luthen.
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