Laptop1991
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As i've already said i disagree with you on all points, your just making excuses for bad writing.
Andor S2 |OT| Remember Star Wars?
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Mibu no ookami
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You've said you disagree, but you haven't said what you disagree with, just that you disagree. That's fine, but I'd love to hear what exactly you're disagreeing with.
Laptop1991
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I've already said what i thought was bad and don't agree with your view, such as i think the tie fighter would of blown up or at least became unusable after the over the top first scenes.
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Yep, more appropriate for a slapstick children's cartoon than the previously serious and grounded Andor.
The "oopsie daisy everyone else blew up" shtick is forgivable when Little Annie does it in Episode 1 since he's the Chosen One and the most talented pilot in the galaxy. Cassian on the other hand has no idea what he's doing and survives via plot armor.
Most of these issues smell distinctly of studio interference.
Laptop1991
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Totally agree boss, outside interference again, i can't believe it's the same writers, i forgot to mention the ship was upside down when he said he couldn't fly it after flying it like a pro after nearly destroying it when he couldn't!
Mibu no ookami
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I share the same sentiment discussed in this thread. Something is off.
I think it's ok, but the writing is not as sharp and the direction and cinematography is just bad. You especially see it in the wedding scenes, you know a bad director when he goes for that camera spins around a room thing we've seen a million times. The cinematography has also taken a dive, where S1 had abstract and grit still images, here's it's too lively and anticipated and dynamic.
Also one beast just ran through them? I expected a hoard at least. Or a bigger beast to chump the other beast.
I'm still enjoying it, I think it's good sci-fi, but waaaay too much blasters not hitting targets which is too SW.
I think it's ok, but the writing is not as sharp and the direction and cinematography is just bad. You especially see it in the wedding scenes, you know a bad director when he goes for that camera spins around a room thing we've seen a million times. The cinematography has also taken a dive, where S1 had abstract and grit still images, here's it's too lively and anticipated and dynamic.
Also one beast just ran through them? I expected a hoard at least. Or a bigger beast to chump the other beast.
I'm still enjoying it, I think it's good sci-fi, but waaaay too much blasters not hitting targets which is too SW.
The fact he's not looking at the camera means he's lying.
Stitch
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Actually a Tie Avenger, that wasn't even in the Disney Star Wars Canon so far
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Sonik
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I watched the first episodes and I regret it, it feels like Reacher, good first season from a forgotten by the studio production that got lots of positive attention from the audience so it got on the radar of braindead studio imbeciles, in this case I assume Kathleen Kennedy, so they ruined it by interfering and appointing their own people who coincidentally also happen to be braindead imbeciles
And just like Reacher I'll probably continue watching and bitching about it, I hate both myself and these dumb studio fucks that ruin everything remotely good
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Trilobit
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You just described what happened to The Mandalorian to a T. The interference became very apparent in season 2, but it got ridiculous with the Mando episodes in Boba Fett and by season 3 you could see how the suits had taken complete control of the direction of the show. It became a victim of its own success as it meant that the top vultures needed to swoop down and suck it dry.
I'm very interested in knowing what Favreau's singular vision would have looked like. I can't see him personally having much interest in seeing Filloni's sucky characters piggybacking on Mando.
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Cosmic Smash
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Sonik
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Every single fucking Disney product youtube video is full of bots making the most generic, unfunny chatgpt comments, this or Disney fans consumed so much Disney slop that they have become one with the AI, the first human-AI hybrids
Yerd
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The group of idiots all let out an audible "aw shucks" noise when Andor flew off. Like Homer doing a "doh." Meanwhile the animals were still eating them alive I assume. I feel like maybe they are dumbing down this season to appease the masses that didn't "get" the first season.
The daughter deserved a good slap after that last comment to Mon Momma.
The daughter deserved a good slap after that last comment to Mon Momma.
jonnyp
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This. I wanted to turn it off after that first scene. It was so fucking stupid I have no words.
Toons
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Cassian has actually flown a ship more than once before. Id imagine, like driving a car if you've done it you can generally work out how to at least operate a vehicle you jump into. He was specifically trained to fly a tie fighter, just not that specific model. He was in a military grade ship, obviously nor one that blows up easily. I dont see an issue.
That aside I enjoyed these episodes. I feel the pacing is much more methodical in the pacing and cutting between scenes. But some of the stuff still felt rather unnecessary. The entire subplot with dedra, even the ghorman stuff could have been established later on. Syril I didn't care about him in s1 and I dont care about him now. Like its mildly humorous I guess but given the weight of every other development happening I can't get invested in the dude with mommy issues.
This 3rd ep features the most mature scene in any stat wars media up to this point with the attempted rape, and to be honest I never expected this sort of implication would be made let alone the actual attempt shown here. It was shocking but I think it was visceral in a good way. Sadly it seems some whove previously proclaimed that sgar wars is now kiddified are also clothing their pearls over this snd I have to facepalm.
Between this and born again it seems the biggest shift in approach has been to stop avoiding mature sequences in media, at least with Disney plus as a platform. Its not necessarily a bad direction so long as it doesn't become a crutch.
That aside I enjoyed these episodes. I feel the pacing is much more methodical in the pacing and cutting between scenes. But some of the stuff still felt rather unnecessary. The entire subplot with dedra, even the ghorman stuff could have been established later on. Syril I didn't care about him in s1 and I dont care about him now. Like its mildly humorous I guess but given the weight of every other development happening I can't get invested in the dude with mommy issues.
This 3rd ep features the most mature scene in any stat wars media up to this point with the attempted rape, and to be honest I never expected this sort of implication would be made let alone the actual attempt shown here. It was shocking but I think it was visceral in a good way. Sadly it seems some whove previously proclaimed that sgar wars is now kiddified are also clothing their pearls over this snd I have to facepalm.
Between this and born again it seems the biggest shift in approach has been to stop avoiding mature sequences in media, at least with Disney plus as a platform. Its not necessarily a bad direction so long as it doesn't become a crutch.
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Toons
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Laughable.
Jon faveraus Mandalorian wss never compromised, he just never set up an actual plan for where it was going to go and was making it up as he went. Hes very much still at the bead of the show and pretending otherwise is just cope.
Mando S1 was the best season easily and s2 was entirely without plot save for nice action scenes and fun cameos because he made a premise and then nothing else.
S2 with andor on the other hand clearlt has Tony Gilroy at the held who wrote these three epsidoes. He has an actual endpoint to work with, and I do believe he is going to see that through. Kathleen has nothing to do with any writing decisions for any of these characters. She hires people and let's them work, ocassionally firing them if they go off rhe rails. that much gas been clear for a long time now.
Mibu no ookami
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Cassian is a very good pilot. That's been established. People are just ignoring that they've clearly established that this test ship isn't normal. And yeah, it's built like a tank, it's not going to break because of low speed impact.
The story like with the Ghorman summit was to contrast how organized, strategic, and hierarchical the empire is compared to the unorganized, inept, leaderless rebels. It's why their meeting is catered while the rebels are starving eating spoiled fruit and moldy rations. They all are decorated and the best at what they do, whereas the rebels are just rag tag and don't know about setting up perimeters or rationing provisions.
The stuff with Syril is meant to give a human face to fascism. On one hand Dedra is plotting the potential death of a million people on the other she is battling it out with a potential future in-law. When people see the atrocities of the Empire they only really think about the emperor, vader, and faceless stormtroopers. Yet it is every day people enabling and executing the plans of the empire.
Same here. The officer who tries this with Bix is essentially a normal dude who finds himself in a power dynamic where he has all the power in the world and his victim has none. That power goes to his head and causes him to do unthinkable things. It changes him.
I think Disney realizes that in order to continue growing it has to grow beyond its core demographic. Engaging with prestige media can bring in a lot more subscribers than just kids and family content.
Straight Edge
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It's a TIE Avenger, not an Interceptor.
While I agree with everything you're saying, for me there is a difference in direction and writing compared to the first season. Not as tight and not as subtle.
Also, while Cassian can't control the ship at first he does manage to maneuver an escape which feels like by the end of the sequence he gets it, but then all of a sudden doesn't.
Toons
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Yea I get the idea of the syril thing I just think it falls flat in comparison with the much more serious stuff going on. I feel like the idea was covered in S1, maybe he should've just been killed off on ferrix and dedra could cope with that but idk maybe the rest if the season will prove me wrong
Mibu no ookami
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I don't know, maybe rewatch the scene. He makes all of two banks and flies in a straight line before caving in the cavern. He's in front of the other two TIEs and physics takes care of the rest. He even rough lands when he lands on Yavin. He gets the gist of it and then once he gets off Yavin, he tries to recalibrate the ship which is what ends up with him "spending two days upside down." You see him rewiring the TIE Avenger when he sets off the thrusters, suggesting that the wiring was off.
He has basic controls down by the time he gets to Yavin the first time, but it takes him two days to reconfigure the ship, for which it's both trial and error and learning it over again. By the time he goes to mina-rau he knows what he is doing. He does all of this within the span of 4 days, 2 of which he spent captive by the MPG.
How do I know it is within the span of 4 days? Because the next morning is the first day of the wedding and it is a three day affair.
I think fundamentally I don't get your concerns here given just how much time the spent telling us about what was wrong with this ship and how much time they spent showing it to us.
Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Syril was never Empire in season 1. He was just a mall cop. They never personalized Dedra's life in season 1. That's really the big focus of their relationship is to show how someone like Dedra has a human face and isn't just a robot. That might not land with you, but I think it's important to show that the Empire isn't a nameless faceless entity and so I think the execution there is warranted.
Usually a great Imperial ship to fly in the Star Wars flight sim games since it has shields.
sloppyjoe_gamer
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Why are they boring us with the imperial couple dating story? They're both great at their roles though. My only thought is that they are going to build up that relationship to a point and then one of them (my bet is the blonde chick) is going to betray the empire in a big way near the end of the series.
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Could be one of them will know where the plans are.
Dev1lXYZ
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I've loved the TIE Interceptor since my mother bought the Revell Snap Together Model kit of it in the early 80's at Albertson's Supermarket. I saw RoTJ a few years before when it hit theaters. Fast forward to the release of TIE Fighter on PC…I didn't have a PC at the time, but my friend had a 486/DX- and I bought it just to be able to fly a TIE Interceptor. It ran better than Starfox on SNES, and was much deeper, managing engine/weapon power levels to put a hurting on the Rebellion. My friend didn't even like Star Wars or flight sims, and he just sat there and watched me play through the entire campaign bit by bit. Late game, you get access to the Avenger, called the TIE Advanced.
In early 1997, I got my first PC, a Micron Pentium 166DX. The first game I got was TIE Fighter with the expansion on CD-ROM, which added the TIE Defender.
Mibu no ookami
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They're both great in their roles but it's boring you? That's interesting. Again, they're giving an idea of what people in the Empire are really like.
I think it's fine to say "I don't like this" but to not understand what they're doing is a bit weird.
Did you watch Rogue One?
AJUMP23
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My favorite was rogue 2 a new hope.
sloppyjoe_gamer
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Yes theyre good actors but the content is boring....not really hard to understand.
Yes, and if I remember correctly they knew where the plans were from cassian. Im saying one of them gave it to him.
Mibu no ookami
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Cassian learns it because of a pilot who learns it directly from Galen Erso the lead designer of the Death Star. The pilot is picked up by Saw Gerrera and Cassian's informant finds this information out on Jehda where Saw is based.
There is no relation here to Dedra or Syril.
What COULD be possible is that Dedra is Ghorman, though that seems unlikely or at least not well established given her backstory of growing up in an imperial kinderblock since the age of 3.
Maybe she finds out she's Ghorman...
Great times in the 486 and P1 days with TIE Fighter and saving the emperor's shuttle from that treacherous scum Zaarin, flying a TIE Defender alongside Vader. One of my all time favorites.
Roufianos
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Finally got around to episode 3. Pretty awful start to the new season, I wouldn't be surprised if people drop off. Around 2 hours 40 minutes in and like 30 minutes of good content.
I have no doubts they'll be some exceptional episodes to come but man, some really boring stuff at times, and I say that as someone's who's invested in all of these characters.
I have no doubts they'll be some exceptional episodes to come but man, some really boring stuff at times, and I say that as someone's who's invested in all of these characters.
Yeah, I haven't made it to the third episode yet. First set is a slog.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
That shit was TENSE...
Andor is back in second Arc. Everything feels more like Andor.
I couldn't believe it's the same director, it felts like a 180, so I looked at IMDB and here's the difference I saw - the first three episodes DOP was Christophe Nuyens, but these three had him + Damián García who helmed 3 episodes in season 1. So the cinematography def improved for me.
I also thought the writing was better, and less stupid blaster shit.
Except in ep6 which was too obvious it's going to happen and she'll die, and very silly since when the aim they can't shoot so apparently they shouldn't aim and hit more people? I thought it was unnecessary to kill her.
I couldn't believe it's the same director, it felts like a 180, so I looked at IMDB and here's the difference I saw - the first three episodes DOP was Christophe Nuyens, but these three had him + Damián García who helmed 3 episodes in season 1. So the cinematography def improved for me.
I also thought the writing was better, and less stupid blaster shit.
Except in ep6 which was too obvious it's going to happen and she'll die, and very silly since when the aim they can't shoot so apparently they shouldn't aim and hit more people? I thought it was unnecessary to kill her.
spookyfish
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This was my gripe with Andor S1 -- the first three episodes could have been done in at least 2 -- probably 1.
I'm reminded of Chris Gore with Film Threat: "People tell me Andor is a slow burn. You gotta give it time. Do you know what's NOT a slow burn? Star Wars."
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Jesus H Christ with the boring as fuck side relationships....
Ep 6...
Ep 6...
Oh boy lesbian kissing and ohhhhh im sorry i hurt you! Any fking excuse for this shit. This isnt Star Wars
sloppyjoe_gamer
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My God....that whole episode 6 was shit. So many girl bosses ROAR to the point where its just awkward and out of place
Miyazaki’s Slave
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Uh….you sure 'bout that?nah, it doesn´t have Jedi in it, so no religious stuff.
One guy has a Kyber crystal around his neck and his walking stick has the hilt of a broken lightsaber.
Haven't watched any s2 it yet but called Scarsgaard a Jedi (or some force user…whatever) as soon as he was on screen.
Hard disagree, while the ending was predictable, it was closure to one of the plots in S1.
I don't get why people have such a hard time with women having agency, plus Syril was the lead here too. This isn't a woke show.
