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Android Hardware Thread - 2009 Edition
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ThatObviousUser
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Jacobi said:Android's pretty cool... But I fell in love with the HTC HD2, which runs on WM 6.5 though... What to do GAF?
Wait for the HTC Dragon, rumored to have the same shell and specs as the HD2 but run Android?
For all the benefits that HTC adds to the WM platform, there's so much more gained by going to Android, especially when you consider that WM 7.0 is around the corner.Jacobi said:Android's pretty cool... But I fell in love with the HTC HD2, which runs on WM 6.5 though... What to do GAF?
jonnybryce
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The Moment is, of course, capable of multitouch. The only thing holding it back would be that Android does not have multitouch implemented into the OS...which still confuses me, but I can accept it.
The HD2 is beautiful but I fall out of love with it when I realize it's still Windows Mobile, and the app store is more expensive and less entertaining than something like Android of iPhone. I mean, go for it, HTC skins the hell out of WinMo and the HD2 is amazing, but its either WinMo7 blows me away or WinMo is dead to me. I wouldn't touch 6.5, personally.
Jacobi said:Android's pretty cool... But I fell in love with the HTC HD2, which runs on WM 6.5 though... What to do GAF?
The HD2 is beautiful but I fall out of love with it when I realize it's still Windows Mobile, and the app store is more expensive and less entertaining than something like Android of iPhone. I mean, go for it, HTC skins the hell out of WinMo and the HD2 is amazing, but its either WinMo7 blows me away or WinMo is dead to me. I wouldn't touch 6.5, personally.
jonnybryce
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MThanded said:
I was unclear, sorry. Its screen is capable, if ever Google pulls the trigger and adds multitouch to the OS, something that can't be said for some other Android phones such as the Geeks One, LG's slider and the HTC Tattoo (they are all resistive). It has the kind of screen that the iPhone, iPod Touch or Hero have, capacitive, the only thing stopping multitouch is Google, since the Moment is a stock Android phone.
HTC has it because they added it in themselves with Sense. I was just trying to say that if/when Google says "Ok, you can pinch in stock Android now, everyone update" the Moment will be capable of doing it, having a capacitive touchscreen.
TheMissingLink
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Spent some time with the Hero today and wasn't entirely impressed.
I've never owned a touchscreen anything, though, so typing was really awkward.
Looking forward to taking the Moment for a test run. Lightning quick + hardware keyboard could get me on a Sprint plan...
I've never owned a touchscreen anything, though, so typing was really awkward.
Looking forward to taking the Moment for a test run. Lightning quick + hardware keyboard could get me on a Sprint plan...
Archos 5 Internet Tablet http://www.archos.com/products/imt/archos_5it/index.html?country=ru&lang=en
ThatObviousUser
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Jacobi said:
Wait for my Android software thread, will launch either on November 1 or 2 with the Samsung Moment or Motorola Cliq, respectively. Or maybe a little before. The scope of the thread is pretty big and I want to knock it out of the park when I first post it.
jonnybryce said:
We don't know that yet. HTC had some foresight because of Sense, which they knew would have multitouch and which might make its way to previously-released handsets like the Magic. We don't know if Motorola or Samsung are building multitouch displays into their phones.
jonnybryce
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I've always been under the impression that capacitive was multitouch capable, and resistive, while possible, really never ever happens in phones so means no multitouch? A screen can be capacitive and incapable of multitouch?
That explains why I simply said that while Android cannot do multitouch, its display can so the current build OS is the only thing holding it back. I mean, there are videos on the G1 hacked to accept multitouch, its screen could do it, just Android has no multitouch support in the OS so people had to hack around to do it.
http://www.android.com/market/
http://gizmodo.com/5378878/the-months-best-android-apps
http://gizmodo.com/5362716/ustream-video-streaming-android-app-out-now
http://lifehacker.com/5075332/best-android-apps-to-boost-your-mobile-productivity-so-far
http://lifehacker.com/5212542/one-dozen-super+useful-and-free-android-apps
http://androidpaidapps.com/
http://androinica.com/2009/08/31/50-best-android-apps-lifestyle-and-productivity-apps-1-15/
http://androinica.com/2009/09/02/50-best-android-apps-media-and-entertainment-apps-25-39/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/152384-/in_pictures_15_killer_android_apps_for_the_g1.html
That explains why I simply said that while Android cannot do multitouch, its display can so the current build OS is the only thing holding it back. I mean, there are videos on the G1 hacked to accept multitouch, its screen could do it, just Android has no multitouch support in the OS so people had to hack around to do it.
Jacobi said:
http://www.android.com/market/
http://gizmodo.com/5378878/the-months-best-android-apps
http://gizmodo.com/5362716/ustream-video-streaming-android-app-out-now
http://lifehacker.com/5075332/best-android-apps-to-boost-your-mobile-productivity-so-far
http://lifehacker.com/5212542/one-dozen-super+useful-and-free-android-apps
http://androidpaidapps.com/
http://androinica.com/2009/08/31/50-best-android-apps-lifestyle-and-productivity-apps-1-15/
http://androinica.com/2009/09/02/50-best-android-apps-media-and-entertainment-apps-25-39/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/152384-/in_pictures_15_killer_android_apps_for_the_g1.html
jonnybryce
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ahh mistake
ThatObviousUser
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Charred Greyface said:Goddam you should be getting paid for all this. How about trying your hand at an iPhone thread?
Heh, nope. Even if I wanted to my hands are tied up with updating this thread and the dev thread, and of course soon the creation and maintenance of the software one too. I'll be pretty tied up at that point.
Surely there must be some people dedicated and artistic enough to give the iPhone some love? I thought those were the kind of people Apple had in droves.
jonnybryce said:
No prob.
As I understand, it's a hardware choice whether to implement multitouch in capacitive screens, there are plenty without it. In addition multitouch doesn't just mean two points, there can be up to eight with today's tech if I recall.
Though I'm pretty sure it's impossible for resistive screens to be multitouch.
jonnybryce
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Andrex said:Heh, nope. Even if I wanted to my hands a tied up with updating this thread and the dev thread, and of course soon the creation and maintenance of the software one too. I'll be pretty tied up at that point.
Surely there must be some people dedicated and artistic enough to give the iPhone some love? I thought those were the kind of people Apple had in droves.
No prob.
As I understand, it's a hardware choice whether to implement multitouch in capacitive screens, there are plenty without it. In addition multitouch doesn't just mean two points, there can be up to eight with today's tech if I recall.
I'm pretty sure it's impossible for resistive screens to be capacitive.
I accidently hit quote instead of edit for my reply, here's what I said up a few posts:
I've always been under the impression that capacitive was multitouch capable, and resistive, while possible, really never ever happens in phones so means no multitouch? A screen can be capacitive and incapable of multitouch?
That explains why I simply said that while Android cannot do multitouch, its display can so the current build OS is the only thing holding it back. I mean, there are videos on the G1 hacked to accept multitouch, its screen could do it, just Android has no multitouch support in the OS so people had to hack around to do it.
As for multitouch resistive, I've never seen it done in a product but if you google it you'll see some videos and articles about how it is possible, so I never say it's impossible because then I get replies (usually on blogs like Engadget) telling me how I'm wrong even though I'm technically not because it's never done. And I didn't know that there were capacitive screens without it, thats interesting.
ThatObviousUser
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Yeah, that's all true. But we won't know if Samsung's or Motorola's devices have multitouch hardware (but obviously not the software) until they come out. Although, we should have heard something when the Galaxy launched...
jonnybryce
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Ok, I didn't know if you saw when I put my reply in the older post. All I know at this point is that I want the Moment asap. I already have wallpapers and widgets picked out :]
ThatObviousUser
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So, I totally forgot, but I actually made out a "card" with all the Galaxy Lite's info but never put it in. Well it's in now, baby!
That's in addition to me updating the original Galaxy's "card." I doubt it will go to T-Mobile, so I moved it to the "Unknown" pile, and swapped its names to what it's officially marketed as, plus I took off the "RUMORED" label, since the phone is real... just not in the US. I kinda don't see that changing with the Behold II and Moment, but you never know.
Also note that for the first time I have removed an entry in the OP, that being the Samsung Bigfoot. There's been a lot of speculation, "Is it the G1v2," "Is it really called the Bigfoot," and now, "Does it even run Android?" As I don't see even a couple of the standard Android buttons on the face, I'm taking it out, for now, until more rumors about it surface, or official info is revealed.
So, I have finally gotten around to adding the official Motorola Cliq thread to the OP, after procrastinating on it for a few days, (thanks to a small nudge.) As with other devices which have official threads, the Cliq's "card" is now linked to the thread itself, as well as the "NeoGAF Threads" section.
In addition, I have completely overhauled that section as you can see below:
(before, sorry for the JPG-ness, I blame Paint)
(after)
movie_club
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i am looking to get an android phone when they come to Verizon. I dont have a data plan now, does anyone know how much more a month it is to have one?
ThatObviousUser
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movie_club said:
As I understand it's built into the price. If you're on the lower two types of plans, Basic and Select, it's $1.99 per megabyte. On the upper two types of plans, Connect and Premium, you get unlimited data.
I don't know everything about Verizon's plans though.
Level 8 Boss
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Guys, is anyone having issues with Hero reception. Mine is constantly on 1-2 bars, and sometimes it drops calls, or doesn't get a connection when dialling out. 3g sometimes drops too.
This is my second hero, the first one had no 3g HSPDA drops, but the reception was always low, but didn't have any call issues. Is this a none problem, I'm rooted, will a new radio increase signal strength, or is it crap antenna/dud phone?
This is my second hero, the first one had no 3g HSPDA drops, but the reception was always low, but didn't have any call issues. Is this a none problem, I'm rooted, will a new radio increase signal strength, or is it crap antenna/dud phone?
ThatObviousUser
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Or alternatively, go to Sprint.com and check your coverage area.
Level 8 Boss said:
Honestly my Hero has NEVER been at full bars. Also when you drop calls the phone will state "Call was dropped." If you don't see that msg then you didn't drop a call. The Phone will ALWAYS tell you if the call was dropped. Always. Forever. And. Ever. Trust me on this.
I also have a black hole in my house. If i move into a certain spot I can't call out or use 3g. If I move like a step to the left or right I can use the phone to its fullest function. Really just look where you are and see the signal. I wouldn't worry about it.
Also to the Hardcore ppl, has the Sprint Hero been rooted yet? The software version I had didn't work with the flash rec. If you guys have any word on this, that would be great! =D
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Totakeke said:
I do hope that's an old ROM; while clearly WVGA, it appears the grid on the homescreen hasn't been updated to accommodate the new space, (while the app tray in the AP photo was.)
Ultimo hombre
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Any of these phones have as good of a browser as the iphone? speed + being able to view full sites not just mobile versions.
ThatObviousUser
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Totakeke said:
Should be fine, especially on the Sholes' rumored hardware.
Ultimo hombre said:
They're almost exactly the same except the stock Android builds don't have multitouch pinch-to-zoom, (while the Hero and other Sense devices do, plus Flash.) Android's browser is rumored to be getting Chrome Sync eventually, too, and all builds will be getting full Flash 10.1 in 2010, (while iPhone remains the only smartphone OS that won't.)
ThatObviousUser
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BGR just put another photo in that post:
Yeah, see, 4x5 in portrait is definitely WVGA (and this confirms from the leaked Xperia X3 video that it is WVGA as well), while the homescreen remains 4x4 as far as I can see.
Yeah, see, 4x5 in portrait is definitely WVGA (and this confirms from the leaked Xperia X3 video that it is WVGA as well), while the homescreen remains 4x4 as far as I can see.
mckmas8808
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When will Windows Mobile be able to compete with these better mobile OS?
ThatObviousUser
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mckmas8808 said:
Probably with Windows Mobile 7. Some people have written off WinMo but it could still be a strong contender if MS tried, and with what they've been doing with Windows 7 and Zune lately, I think they can definitely bounce back.
Android will probably be close to the de facto OEM choice by then though.
Considering how the iPhone browser performed on NeoGAF, the Android browser is more than up to the task. Formatting isn't as nice as on the iPhone screen, but everything loads, which might actually be better than my iPhone3G used to. Zooming is button based though, which sucks. PEACE.Ultimo hombre said:
WVGA = Android 2.0.
Android 2.0 supports FWVGA 854×480, while the previous versions support lower display resolutions.
An Android phone with a big WVGA AMOLED display and 8 megapixel with specifications from Samsung would definitely be my next phone. I am still waiting for Android 2.0 + my perfect phone. If my perfect phone existed, I would buy it even if it isn't a smartphone.
I am not anticipating anything from Sony Ericsson. As a former SE fan, I completely lost faith in them. They would never implement features such as AMOLED, big & high resolution, decent video recording ...etc. In addition, they are always late to deliver and charge outrageous prices. Conclusion, I will not wait for X3. If the price is reasonable and the specifications satisfy me when it is already released, it will be my phone. However, this would never happen.
Android 2.0 supports FWVGA 854×480, while the previous versions support lower display resolutions.
An Android phone with a big WVGA AMOLED display and 8 megapixel with specifications from Samsung would definitely be my next phone. I am still waiting for Android 2.0 + my perfect phone. If my perfect phone existed, I would buy it even if it isn't a smartphone.
I am not anticipating anything from Sony Ericsson. As a former SE fan, I completely lost faith in them. They would never implement features such as AMOLED, big & high resolution, decent video recording ...etc. In addition, they are always late to deliver and charge outrageous prices. Conclusion, I will not wait for X3. If the price is reasonable and the specifications satisfy me when it is already released, it will be my phone. However, this would never happen.
ThatObviousUser
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WVGA was actually included in 1.6.
And the Xperia X3 was actually the first Android phone known to be WVGA, there's even a video of it in action. Not to mention the leaked camera spec is actually 8.0 megapixels.
And the Xperia X3 was actually the first Android phone known to be WVGA, there's even a video of it in action. Not to mention the leaked camera spec is actually 8.0 megapixels.
ThatObviousUser
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GT500 said:
I haven't seen too many WebOS, Blackberry, or iPhone OS devices that have WVGA. WVGA tech in smartphones is just dawning, the Android team wisely invested in other things that made much more sense. With those tasks completed, additional screen resolutions is the next logical step.
GT500 said:
Well, it is Sony-Ericsson. And if you believe iapetus, the time and price are worth it.
jonnybryce
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Jacobi said:
No problem, I had most of them saved since I'm going to Android soon. I'm probably making the jump from iPhone and everything I use I've been able to find a similarly functioning app, and then some. To be able to broadcast streaming video from your phone, change your ring profile based on GPS, etc there are some pretty interesting apps in my opinion.
And that's what exactly bother me. I want to see more phones with WVGA resolution awesomeness. Samsung Jet, for example, has a WVGA AMOLED and it is just AWESOME. If it had a better camera I would have bought it even with its proprietary OS which already has cool stuff such as DivX and XviD support.
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GT500 said:
Blame the manufacturers really. I doubt any of the currently released Android phones would be WVGA if it was always an option. Archos even made their own WVGA implementation for their tablets.
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