Mazre did invite him, I think. I decided not to once I found out that that Hobohodo would have been in both of our chats
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LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
We've already said as much. The stealth kill ability is likely more useful at covering up the killer's point of origin, though ironically the fact that he didn't make noise when he killed Tucah is the giveaway that the power exists.
Unfortunately, franconp doesn't want us to know who he's investigating, so we have to make decisions on our own here...
well obviously, but I prefer he pick hobodobo.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
This logic is beyond strange.
Even if we were to investigate him, all we would know about him is his role, not his alignment.
As far as his position goes, even if his role was a basic mafia with no powers, he would still be in a very good position for them.
Investigating him could tell us nothing.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
No, I'm saying there isn't a stealth kill role at all. The lack of any notification's from Tucah's eviction is more indicative of how light sleepers work, in that eviction isn't something that needs a notification because everyone already knows that an action happened there. I mean the idea is that light sleepers wake up when something suspicious happens right? I wouldn't call destroying someone's house suspicious, I'd call that "Oh no the HHA struck again!". It's not hidden in any way, so what would the point of them getting a suspicious activity message be?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Kark said the light sleepers receive notification when someone is targeted by mafia in their area.
Yeah, it could tell us nothing, or it could tell us something. I would prefer at least we give him some time to explain himself. I rather we not choose someone else out of the blue with only a few hours to spare.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
He's been on the chopping block since last night, though.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
No, Tom said that he should A) recieve notification when someone targets someone within his area, and B) that Tucah not causing a notification contradicts what he's been told about his role. As we aren't privy to the conversation between Tom and Kark, it's hard to confirm either way. Tom (or Kalor), it'd be great if you could try and clarify this for us.
I wouldn't call it a chopping block. He only started to receive votes a few hours ago.
Do you intend to vote for him Launchpad?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Well, yeah, we'll need Karkador to clarify this because him not correcting me made me believe that the assumption was correct.
He's on my shortlist of people who could have killed Coppanuva. I don't know if I'm going to vote for him, but I've got 29 minutes to decide...
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
I don't think he'll clarify anything about someone's role for someone other than who has the role. That'd count as a confirmation that they do in fact have that role, which would be unfair.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Regardless, the whole thing is in the periphery to what I'm focused on, which is the lack of any noise the night Coppanuva was killed and the people who could have done it without alerting the light sleepers.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Oh that's fair, I just saw us going down this path of a potential stealth evict-er and wanted to point out that it'd be a weird role to have and that we should at the very least try to get more clarification from either of the light sleepers.
For what it's worth, even though I didn't mention it when I voted, your post about night 2 helped back up my Daryll suspicion a bit more. Was leaning towards voting for him and your analysis gave me that extra push over the cliff.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Yeah, I'm going with Hobo. I've had suspicions about him from very early on. I hope I'm right...
[hightlight]VOTE: Hobohodo
And yeah, hopefully the light sleepers can clarify things (though they seem to be on board with the stealth killer idea, just not sure if they misunderstood their own powers). I think it's something we should pick up in the next day phase.
[hightlight]VOTE: Hobohodo
And yeah, hopefully the light sleepers can clarify things (though they seem to be on board with the stealth killer idea, just not sure if they misunderstood their own powers). I think it's something we should pick up in the next day phase.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I don't know why I somehow write "hight" at least 1/10 times I type this word.
VOTE: Hobohodo
VOTE: Hobohodo
...ow my head
...why
Man, you guys were busy while I wasrecuperating asleep.
So, looking through all of the posts:
- While I'm not completely (sitting at about ~90%) convinced about a "stealth killer," it does seem the most likely. Hopefully we can confirm that soon enough.
- I'm pretty sure Toma is an actual Light Sleeper, based on his confirmation with Kalor. At least unless there is some ridiculously complex bluffing game going on between them.
- While I do find Hobo suspicious, he's still not at the top of my list, for the same reasons I stated before. Honestly, at this point I can flip a coin between SalvaPot and Darryl.
...why
Man, you guys were busy while I was
So, looking through all of the posts:
- While I'm not completely (sitting at about ~90%) convinced about a "stealth killer," it does seem the most likely. Hopefully we can confirm that soon enough.
- I'm pretty sure Toma is an actual Light Sleeper, based on his confirmation with Kalor. At least unless there is some ridiculously complex bluffing game going on between them.
- While I do find Hobo suspicious, he's still not at the top of my list, for the same reasons I stated before. Honestly, at this point I can flip a coin between SalvaPot and Darryl.
And maybe nin1000.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
nin1000 is in my periphery. I can't be sure, but I think he's just clumsy and well-meaning. Don't hold me to that, though.
If we evict SalvaPot, Hobohodo, or Darryl today... that'll line up with who I'm focused on, and I'll take the responsibility if I'm wrong.
If we evict SalvaPot, Hobohodo, or Darryl today... that'll line up with who I'm focused on, and I'll take the responsibility if I'm wrong.
I think I say a bit more in my posts than a lot of people do. Some people post hundreds of messages and they're all empty. Like Ouro. Even you, man. It's probably far more clear to some people who I want evicted than you, for example. I have no fucking clue what you want. You god damn HHA.
Either way that vote was just a courtesy vote change since McLaunch wanted more time.
Vote:Hobohodo
It's far more logical than most of your raving conspiracies.
To the HHA a single HHA life isn't worth anything as long as it isn't the last life.
Ever since Razmos came out as a Gossip I felt that at some point the fact I am a bridge would come up. The thing is, going off the content of Mazres chat I feel like some of you have overstated the information that can actually be gained from them. There have been very few posts in Mazres chat at night and even from those there is no real way to know if anyone is telling the truth. Maybe it has been a different situation over in Razmos and Froshys chats about how much discussion is going on? If information were flowing freely in those chats then letting a mafia get in to both would give them the opportunity to get a read on far more players. When the mafia are all ready more in the know than us, giving them even more chances to get some information seems unlikely.
Secondly in regards to the gossip network that exists in the top right I feel it is worth considering that whilst I am able to be invited in to both, Salva is surrounded by members of the network but is unable to actually get in to one himself. Could be nothing but I found it interesting.
Secondly in regards to the gossip network that exists in the top right I feel it is worth considering that whilst I am able to be invited in to both, Salva is surrounded by members of the network but is unable to actually get in to one himself. Could be nothing but I found it interesting.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
No, it really isn't... you've got 3-4 mafia players, you're already in a minority. You found out franconp was an investigator day 3, but you cant be making decisions so rashly and reducing your numbers by 25-33%. You probably don't even know if he's telling the truth (just like us), even if it is a mitigated risk since "well at least he's not on our team". It's ridiculous that you want me to believe anyone would think like that. Especially, someone with your specific ability, you could turn the tide of a day phase at any moment.
It introduces a whole new factor to the game, which is that the longer we choose to keep franconp alive, the higher risk we're going to wake up one day phase and all of a sudden we have to evict two villagers on what will likely be as little evidence as we have now.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I don't think anyone is basing any decisions on information gained from the gossip networks at this point.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
A thought I had on this - couldn't we just vote for both Franconp and Ultron? It obviously wouldn't be ideal since we'd be losing a very important town role, but it would render the double evict essentially useless
And Darryl,
...what?
The list of targets that could have pulled some kinda eviction or whatever. I wasn't paying attention to what you guys were talking about tbh. I just know that McLaunch removed himself and a few others under his presumed nature that they weren't HHA. It's simultaneously suspicious and ridiculous to push any "gathered intel" and filter it first. How anyone took that seriously is just beyond me and is why I'm losing a lot of faith in the town concensus here.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Yea, which is why I typed this...
Maybe the evicition being an obvious action would be the reason he didnt get notified. @Kalor/Toma, can you message Kark and ask him if someone gets evicted in your range, would you get a notice or not? That would clear up the stealth killer angle quickly
Also ask, even if you receive one notice of activity in the area, is it possible that there is more than one action taking place.
@Francomp - You can investigate whoever you want on this night 4. I mentioned not investigating in sleeper range Night 5 to test a theory. So go ahead and check Haly/King or whoever tonight.
Time Left Until Day 4 Ends
EzekelRAGE
Member
If there were/is no stealth killer that list made sense. I think you are talking about the second list which he removed a couple of ppl. The first list he removed himself only.
This is preferable to me too, but if we have some GMT players it might mess things up on their end.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
That'd be about 10pm-midnight for us if I'm converting this right, which isn't too bad
Like I said on day 1 don't trust anyone!
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
McCokedUp? ...that's not very nice.
Ok, I would be alright with backtracking on the stealth killer, there would be no point in masking a mafia kill, but I thought at least for the sake of completeness that it would make sense.
However, I think at the very least, a light sleeper would hear activity of a mafia member leaving to carry our a hit, plus the circumstances for night 2 eliminate a lot of players.
Read my posts Darryl. Before I take out myself (for the obvious reason that I wouldn't lead an investigation on myself when this makes so much sense) and people I have a feeling aren't mafia, the last makes sense.
Ok, I would be alright with backtracking on the stealth killer, there would be no point in masking a mafia kill, but I thought at least for the sake of completeness that it would make sense.
However, I think at the very least, a light sleeper would hear activity of a mafia member leaving to carry our a hit, plus the circumstances for night 2 eliminate a lot of players.
Read my posts Darryl. Before I take out myself (for the obvious reason that I wouldn't lead an investigation on myself when this makes so much sense) and people I have a feeling aren't mafia, the last makes sense.
For what it's worth, I agree with Ultron.
If I was HHA and I knew I could sacrifice an HHA to get rid of an Investigator, I would do so, even if it puts me at a drastic numerical disadvantage. Even better, if I could get an eviction going in the day, I would build a huge amount of credibility for myself by taking out an HHA immediately. This is a strategy known as "busing" (as in, throwing under the bus) in the more hardcore Mafia circles.
However, I am a bit of a power gamer, like I feel ultron is as well, and my viewpoint might not be shared by my hypothetical HHA compatriots. Everyone is well aware of the opposition I received to evicting the roomies on Day 1, and the HHA need to reach a consensus to evict (or at least a pluraity, however it works in this game) as much as we do.
And, of course, it's in ultron's and francompagne's interests to stay in this game. I still believe that they have a win condition that triggers when they're the only ones left. So, if ultron was a HHA in a one-man house, he probably wouldn't hesitate to argue to evict another HHA just to get rid of the investigator, but the dynamic changes when the power gamer himself is at risk of being sacrificed for the "greater good".
If I was HHA and I knew I could sacrifice an HHA to get rid of an Investigator, I would do so, even if it puts me at a drastic numerical disadvantage. Even better, if I could get an eviction going in the day, I would build a huge amount of credibility for myself by taking out an HHA immediately. This is a strategy known as "busing" (as in, throwing under the bus) in the more hardcore Mafia circles.
However, I am a bit of a power gamer, like I feel ultron is as well, and my viewpoint might not be shared by my hypothetical HHA compatriots. Everyone is well aware of the opposition I received to evicting the roomies on Day 1, and the HHA need to reach a consensus to evict (or at least a pluraity, however it works in this game) as much as we do.
And, of course, it's in ultron's and francompagne's interests to stay in this game. I still believe that they have a win condition that triggers when they're the only ones left. So, if ultron was a HHA in a one-man house, he probably wouldn't hesitate to argue to evict another HHA just to get rid of the investigator, but the dynamic changes when the power gamer himself is at risk of being sacrificed for the "greater good".
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
The list*
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Eliminating Ultron as possible mafia makes the case for Darryl carrying out the hit on night 2 stronger.
