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[RobotNinjaHornets]

I'm a bit drunk so I'm going to keep this to a minimum for now, but:

I figured I should outline my suspicions at this point: (sorry I am in my phone)

Haly: we are assuming his role is what he says his is. Kalor is gone now.
Kingkitty: see Haly
Darryl; honestly I have no fucking idea what is going in with Darryl. He's just a dickhead.
RNH - has followed every single one of my votes.
Razmos - pretty sure he is town
Toma - pretty sure he is a light sleeper. No idea about alignment though.
Timeaisis: pretty sure he is town
RetroGamer: invited me to his chat. At least is a gossip, no idea about alignment
Fran/ultron - pretty sure ultron is HHA (or at least neutral) but investigator is a damn good role for now
Squidyj - probably ordinary villager, maybe a light sleeper based on position. No idea
Ezekel - honestly? No idea.
Nin1000 - pretty sure I ordinary, but honestly not sure.

Bolded is fucking bullshit. Day 1 I voted for tom, day 2 I was the first person to vote for Hippiehobo, day 3 sure I followed you on freak and day 4 I can't even remember who you voted for. Did you vote Salva? I'll have to check that. And then day 5 I didn't vote, because I knew the dogpile on Hobohodo was going to be the end of him and I had other plans. See my post just before the day ended.

So that's what, 1 day where I followed you? Possibly 2. So don't try and paint me as a bandwagoner, good sir.

I'd also like to say that if you're going to vote for me you'd better vote for franconp because you're saying he's lying about my role and a village aligned guy would have no reason to do that

Spoiler

Pro-tip: he's not lying

Also KK, me thinking you were normal town was a legitimate mistake. I genuinely thought you'd claimed. I don't have the best memory >_>

 

[EzekelRAGE]

yep, vote ouro/king

Instead of sayin he is town, just does a runaround.

 

[Darryl]

Go and look back at the circumstances of Franconp's roleclaim: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=165216255&postcount=776

Two people had voted for us. Two. Is that really a sensible time to roleclaim if you're actually the town's investigator?

it's absolutely ridiculous. there was never any reason for that role claim

 

[Ourobolus]

Ok, maybe not every vote (I'll admit to catching up to you in drinks - and hey, stop with the gin), but definitely day 3 onward. Just because you unvoted Hobo doesn't mean shit at this point.

But you immediately voted after I did the past few days. Like, literally the next post.

 

[Ourobolus]

yep, vote ouro/king

Instead of sayin he is town, just does a runaround.

What do you want me to say? "Hey, I'm totally HHA!"
Or, I could instill some doubt in their minds as to the effectiveness of my role. As far as I know, they haven't investigated me (according to Toma), so I am still good.

 

[kingkitty]

yep, vote ouro/king

Instead of sayin he is town, just does a runaround.

You should answer what I said earlier. Why as a fresh new mafia, then go out my way to clearly make myself a huge target by nearly causing a tie vote.

And why didn't I say I was town? I already explained this, but I didn't want to make it easy for mafia. Why give mafia a list of people who claim to be ordinary townie and a power role. It didn't make sense. And if mafia ended up evicting me, instead of a potentially useful role, then so be it.

It's like you basically made up your mind, and will refuse to listen to any explanations.

 

[kingkitty]

lso KK, me thinking you were normal town was a legitimate mistake. I genuinely thought you'd claimed. I don't have the best memory >_>

Hey, it might be a legitimate mistake, but it also might not be. Especially now that we've learned that Hobodobo was mafia and could have relayed this info to scum HQ.

 

[franconp]

it's absolutely ridiculous. there was never any reason for that role claim

It's weird you said that when you have been trying to evict me since Day 1.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Hey, it might be a legitimate mistake, but it also might not be. Especially now that we've learned that Hobodobo was mafia and could have relayed this info to scum HQ.

Fair, no point arguing with that since it'll just be a my word against yours kind of thing

ANYWAY I'M GONNA GO TO BED NIGHT Y'ALL

Don't kill me when I'm sleeping thx

 

[EzekelRAGE]

You should answer what I said earlier. Why as a fresh new mafia, then go out my way to clearly make myself a huge target by nearly causing a tie vote.

idk, mistake?

 

[kingkitty]

idk, mistake?

I've actually outlined early on the game what I would do if I was mafia

I don't think mafia would kill their own lightly.

But if they know one of their people is doomed (he/she made a big error, it looks a solid majority is going to evict him/her), it's best not to stick out like a sore thumb when the truth comes out.

If mafia destroys one of their own, it gives them the air of legitimacy. "hey that guy voted for mafia, he must be townie".

If a mafia member has to be thrown under the bus in order to save the butts of other mafia, then you gotta do what you gotta do.

And yet here, I "stick out like a sore thumb" by nearly voting for a tie. Why wouldn't I follow my own advice? If I followed it, I would stick out less. But here we are!

 

[kingkitty]

Why stick out like a sore thumb, saving Hobodobo.

But earlier, ask franconp to investigate Hobodobo, essentially outing him as mafia. It doesn't add up!

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I've actually outlined early on the game what I would do if I was mafia

Saying if I was mafia, i would or wouldnt do this isnt a good defense.

 

[kingkitty]

Saying if I was mafia, i would or wouldnt do this isnt a good defense.

yes it is.

because if I followed my own advice, I wouldn't stick out!

and of course, don't ignore the fact I was the one who pushed hard for fanconp to investigate hobodobo. Why do such an act, which would clearly show everyone his suspicious name, and then go out of my way to be super suspicious by nearly causing a tie?

look, you vote for me, you have to assume that these things are true:

1) Out of the possible 3-4 mafia, Mazre invited two of them to his gossip chat.

2) I asked franconp to investigate hobodobo maybe to look legitimate to the town?

but then you also have to believe

3) Hobodobo IS SO IMPORTANT however, despite me asking franconp to out his role title, that I would go out of my way to save him, even risking a tie. Even risking people now eyeing me as scum.

 

[squidyj]

Sigh.

Fine.

If ten people claimed they were a villager before you did, would you claim?

First of all I absolutely would. second of all you said it would be bad for town if you revealed your role. If your role is vanilla town then what you said before was bullshit. We need to evict you.

 

[Ourobolus]

First of all I absolutely would. second of all you said it would be bad for town if you revealed your role. If your role is vanilla town then what you said before was bullshit. We need to evict you.

I never said that second point. I feel like you are jumping on me for no specific reason. Did one of your team investigate me during one of the nights?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

yes it is.

because if I followed my own advice, I wouldn't stick out!

You did stick out. It's not a coincidence you made yourself stick out on day 3 as a power role, then no kill that night. There was no kill because they attacked you, thinking ur a power, and flipped you.

 

[kingkitty]

You did stick out. It's not a coincidence you made yourself stick out on day 3 as a power role, then no kill that night. There was no kill because they attacked you, thinking ur a power, and flipped you.

Sure, you can say that.

But voting for me you also have to believe these three things as well:

1) Out of 3-4 mafia, 2 of them are in Mazre gossip chat!

2) I didn't think Hobodobo was that important and I was willing to risk him by having franconp out his scummy sounding name.

3) But...at the same time I thought Hobabadobo was actually so important, that I was willing to do an incredibly suspicious move, causing a near tie. Despite me just becoming fresh mafia. Despite me outlining in this thread earlier that a better move would be not to pull such a tactic.

You are looking at only one part of the piece. If you consider me as mafia, you have to reconcile that these three things are true. That Karkador would put two mafia in the same gossip chat. That Hobodobo was expendable. But at the same time, he wasn't expendable and was worth risking suspicion for.

 

[Ourobolus]

1) Out of 3-4 mafia, 2 of them are in Mazre gossip chat!

At this point we are making plenty of assumptions regarding how Kark set up the game, so this really isn't out of the realm of possibility.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Sure, you can say that.

But voting for me you also have to believe these three things as well:

1) Out of 3-4 mafia, 2 of them are in Mazre gossip chat!

2) I didn't think Hobodobo was that important and I was willing to risk him by having franconp out his scummy sounding name.

3) But...at the same time I thought Hobabadobo was actually so important, that I was willing to do an incredibly suspicious move, causing a near tie. Despite me just becoming fresh mafia. Despite me outlining in this thread earlier that a better move would be not to pull such a tactic.

You are looking at only one part of the piece. If you consider me as mafia, you have to reconcile that these three things are true. That Karkador would put two mafia in the same gossip chat. That Hobodobo was expendable. But at the same time, he wasn't expendable and was worth risking suspicion for.

1 - possible
2 - possible, maybe wanted to gain cred?
3 - Maybe you panicked? possible

 

[kingkitty]

At this point we are making plenty of assumptions regarding how Kark set up the game, so this really isn't out of the realm of possibility.

I still think it's unlikely. Add that onto 2 and 3, and you have a poop stew for my eviction.

 

[kingkitty]

1 - possible
2 - possible, maybe wanted to gain cred?
3 - Maybe you panicked? possible

so instead of looking at other possible candidates, you're willing to pass off anything "eh possible" "

2 and 3 clearly contradict. You're willing to look pass behavior that clearly contradicts, that clearly contradicts what I outlined earlier in this thread. Then I can only assume you're basically locked in on my eviction, swatting away any possible doubt.

That's no good! We have to evict the right people. You should try to consider other candidates before you dead set yourself on me, ignoring the contradictions.

 

[kingkitty]

so instead of looking at other possible candidates, you're willing to pass off anything "eh possible" "

*instead of considering other candidates, you're willing to pass off any contradictions about me as "eh possible"

 

[EzekelRAGE]

*instead of considering other candidates, you're willing to pass off any contradictions about me as "eh possible"

my other candidates are Haly,RNH/Ouro. You and Ouro are the strongest candidates atm.

 

[kingkitty]

my other candidates are Haly,RNH/Ouro. You and Ouro are the strongest candidates atm.

If you truly rank me as one of the strongest candidates, then you're willing to make a dicey mistake, ignoring flat out contradictions in behavior.

This isn't Day 2 or 3, where we we still have room for mistakes. Consider RobotNinja or Haly in my place.

One wrong townie eviction = super even harder win.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

If you truly rank me as one of the strongest candidates, then you're willing to make a dicey mistake, ignoring flat out contradictions in behavior.

This isn't Day 2 or 3, where we we still have room for mistakes. Consider RobotNinja or Haly in my place.

One wrong townie eviction = super even harder win.

As posted earlier, we can still have a day or two where we can mislynch.

 

[kingkitty]

As posted earlier, we can still have a day or two where we can mislynch.

We can't afford to clearly go for the wrong choice, ignoring contradicting behavior, just because..."eh"

I should say to everyone "hey EzekelRAGE is gonna evict me, despite clear, contradicting behavior. This dude is probably scum!" but I won't do that, because I don't think you're mafia. I think you're a helpful ordinary townie who is ignoring real evidence to my non-mafianess.

Instead of us trying to see if RobotNinjaHornets or Haly is mafia, we instead waste a vote on an ordinary townie.

You're willing to ignore clear behavior of contradictions, and your only retort is "eh we can waste a vote"! It's madness! Taco madness! If we truly have breathing space before a mafia, then lets use it wisely (aka not me!).

 

[Ourobolus]

Mmmmm....tacos.

 

[Haly]

I don't agree with the heat on Kingkitty, that's all I have to say on this.

I wish I had a better target but I don't.

 

[Darryl]

I've been absolutely pissed at this game that people just sat by and overlooked haly, kalor, the 3 replacements, etc. No roomie evicts. I've been basically ignored this entire game. I want Haly gone. He is my #1 target by a long shot. That's my last will. You can evict both of us.

 

[Haly]

 

[Darryl]

He couldn't be more suspicious. Just ignoring me calling him out. Sitting on the fence.

Let's get him and let's get me and let's get this going.

 

[squidyj]

He couldn't be more suspicious. Just ignoring me calling him out. Sitting on the fence.

Let's get him and let's get me and let's get this going.

you're both town to me. so i wouldn't touch that shit with a 10 foot pole.

 

[squidyj]

Actually let me state this I see Haly and Darryl as town for now, although I could see Haly getting the lynch in maybe 2 days if things are going poorly.

 

[squidyj]

I keep forgetting things.

As for darryl, I wasn't sure how to read his freakout yesterday but I've been rereading stuff from day 3 and day 4 and I feel more confident reading him as town, confused and irate town, but town. I like the fact that he wants people to make claims and take positions that they then have to stand behind.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

snip

About the short, unexplained replies. Was playing LoL and replying between que pops/deaths. Back to your list.

1 - Kark has said that he purposely put the roles in a certain way. So saying "why would 2 mafia be in gossip chat" doesn't really amount to anything.

2 - Here is the post about you suggesting Hobo should be investigated.

yeah he did.

In my opinion, I think Hobodohobo should get investigated, not evicted.

Then you defend him saying:

I also think it's a shame to be getting rid of Hobo with less than five hours to spare. Hobo probably won't get the chance to plead his case.

Could be a case of you buying Hobo another day to think up a lie and also gaining yourself cred saying, "I can't be HHA, I pointed the investigation toward an HHA."


3 - If you are the lost player, you've been mafia this whole time, just not activated.

Your only defense to explain painting a target on your back is "wanted to distract mafia". Which makes no sense at all, unless you want the mafia to attack you to flip you.
Your defense about being confused for the Salva vote is kinda weak as well. I myself had posted the voting update at the time and Kark posted an official one as well. With Darryl, you can sorta tell he was trying to undo the tie. With you, you waited for 2-3 minutes to pass, then posted a msg to me w/o changing your vote. Then conveniently posted a new vote a minute after deadline.

Why didn't you vote for Hobo last day phase? You called the investigation on him, saw it all unfold and still didn't vote for w/e reason. You say you were watchin soccer, which is true, since you had like 20 posts in the soccer thread during that day phase as well. You found time enuff to post random stuff and reply to LMQ's post replying about Maz putting the nail in Hobo's coffin. But still didn't vote. One of your posts for that day is suggesting Hobo to come up with a lie

I've been absolutely pissed at this game that people just sat by and overlooked haly, kalor, the 3 replacements, etc. No roomie evicts. I've been basically ignored this entire game. I want Haly gone. He is my #1 target by a long shot. That's my last will. You can evict both of us.

Honestly, I've been mainly ignoring you since you made this post.

i was trying to fill salva and mcqq's shoes with vapid accusations and discussion.

With the way you were posting, figured you weren't joking.

 

[SalvaPot]

 

[squidyj]

What we have to remember is kark is a devious bastard and he knows that we know that he set the roles and he might have placed the roles so as to frustrate certain expectations that develop from knowing the roles were specifically placed.

This leads to justification for almost any sort of scenario so I don't believe that relying on the fact that roles were pre-placed is a good argument for much of anything. Sure it makes sense that the roomies are opposite alignment, but what if they aren't, what if kark was just trying to trick us into lynching a pair of townies on no reads and poor logic (not pretending to know what they are here, just using them as an example) and likewise the mafia would have no idea what might happen if they tried to tackle that house in that case because "there's no way taking out two town at once would be that easy"

What I'm saying is I'm concerned about spending too much time talking about role placement and trying to get inside karkador's head because I don't necessarily believe it will lead to useful information.

 

[SalvaPot]

This is me right now, glued to the seat, drinking my tea.

 

[Kevyt]

Hi SalvaPot!

Edit: Darn sorry, I thought this was the mafia thread.

 

[squidyj]

I never said that second point. I feel like you are jumping on me for no specific reason. Did one of your team investigate me during one of the nights?

I'll scour them post histories but I might have misattributed that statement to you.

I think it's interesting that you seem to think you've done nothing wrong, the first few people that responded when I asked for their takes on the game had you at the top of their scum lists. Yet somehow you believe I'm pulling these reads out of my hat when they are widely held and I have listed a few of my points.

So now you intend to cast me as HHA investigating you to find what? a different role than the vanilla town you claim to be? if I was HHA and I had a teammate who investigated you, why would we waste our time trying so hard to get a me too vanilla town poster lynched when you're already on the top of everybody's list?

 

[kingkitty]

About the short, unexplained replies. Was playing LoL and replying between que pops/deaths. Back to your list.

1 - Kark has said that he purposely put the roles in a certain way. So saying "why would 2 mafia be in gossip chat" doesn't really amount to anything.

It amounts to plenty. Kark's placements are not random. From Kark's behavior, I think it's unlikely to have two mafia in the same gossip chat. Unless we're talking about a whole lot of mafia, which is also unlikely. It's probably just 3-4.

2 - Here is the post about you suggesting Hobo should be investigated.

Then you defend him saying:

Could be a case of you buying Hobo another day to think up a lie and also gaining yourself cred saying, "I can't be HHA, I pointed the investigation toward an HHA."

That makes sense. Try to earn cred with the townies by throwing one of our own under the bus. And yet...

Your only defense to explain painting a target on your back is "wanted to distract mafia". Which makes no sense at all, unless you want the mafia to attack you to flip you.

It makes perfect sense without this whole lost partner drama. You're looking at things too narrow. At the time, I thought "I rather they kill me than a power townie". Also your reply to my earlier explanation was this:

Understandable I guess. Still not sold on Hobo being town aligned though. He didn't even mention being town aligned in role descript.

You found my explanation for my cagey ordinary townie behavior as "understandable" but now suddenly it "makes no sense at all".

Your defense about being confused for the Salva vote is kinda weak as well. I myself had posted the voting update at the time and Kark posted an official one as well. With Darryl, you can sorta tell he was trying to undo the tie. With you, you waited for 2-3 minutes to pass, then posted a msg to me w/o changing your vote. Then conveniently posted a new vote a minute after deadline.

My excuse is certainly not any weaker than what you've been justifying for my eviction. I already said that I thought you voted for a tie. I counted up the votes, but when you switched your vote in the last few minutes, I thought it was a new vote. I did what I thought I had to do to avoid a tie.

And then I realized my mistake and voted for Hobodobo to end the tie. However I was late by at least a minute.

Also this bit "With Darryl, you can sorta tell he was trying to undo the tie." He didn't post anything like "hey guys I'm gonna change my vote to Ourobolus". You're reaching here!

Lets not forget you posted this reply to my explanation about my confusion:

Maybe it was, idk. Misread Darryl's post.

So during that moment, you were also confused about what the real vote count was. It's okay for you have confusion, but not me?

Why didn't you vote for Hobo last day phase? You called the investigation on him, saw it all unfold and still didn't vote for w/e reason. You say you were watchin soccer, which is true, since you had like 20 posts in the soccer thread during that day phase as well. You found time enuff to post random stuff and reply to LMQ's post replying about Maz putting the nail in Hobo's coffin. But still didn't vote. One of your posts for that day is suggesting Hobo to come up with a lie

I didn't vote for Hobodobo because I didn't want to end the day too early, and it was gonna happen sooner or later. There was no threat of Hobodobo NOT getting evicted.

About me suggesting Hobo to come up with a lie. I wasn't suggesting he come up with a lie, I was implying he might be scum and is trying to create a lie to make sense of his role. And he did make up a (clever) role description.

or at least come up with a convincing lie.

I don't see how you can look at that post (and the original post it was replying to) and think that's somehow evidence towards my mafianess.

You simply don't have a retort for my contradicting behavior! In your second point you say that I wanted to earn some cred. But how does that explain my behavior towards Hobodo? Why try to "earn cred" by throwing hobodobo under the bus...and then do everything my power (despite causing great suspicion) to save him?

It's contradicts so bad, like peanut butter and mayonnaise. So lets update this, a vote for me is a vote on the assumption that:

1) You believe in the likelihood of two mafia in the same gossip. There might be a total of 3-4 mafia.

2) You believe I was trying to gain the trust of the townies by throwing Hobodob under the bus, asking franconp to investigate him.

3) You believe despite me trying to earn the trust of the townies, I then throw that trust under suspicion by doing everything I can to save Hobodobo at the very last second. You believe I did that because ????

Ezekiel is reaching. He believes that I thought Hobodobo was expendable but at the same time was so not expendable. So non-expendable that I was willing to throw all suspicion upon me by saving him at the last second. Ezekiel looks at only one piece, my refusal to role claim easily, as the main issue. And he is willing to ignore clear contradictions to reach his conclusion. Lets not waste a vote here, vote for someone else.

#dontvoteforkingkitty2016

 

[kingkitty]

 

[EzekelRAGE]

About me finding your reply credible. At that point in the game, no one knew there was a player that could be flipped at the time. So you saying I found your reply credible means nothing now, since we now know a player could've been flipped.

It makes perfect sense without this whole lost partner drama. You're looking at things too narrow. At the time, I thought "I rather they kill me than a power townie".

It makes even more sense with the lost partner reveal.

The quote about being confused. I misread Darry asking "is this a tie again" as "this is tied again". For the record, I KNEW my vote didn't tie it. That is why I wondered why you voted salva, since you said you would only change your vote if there was a tie, which there wasn't.

The whole thing about throwing Hobo under the bus, but then trying to defend him can be easily explained by you straddling the fence. Simple as that. Don't want to appear to eager to have him investigated, but don't want to defend him like nin for freak either.

My excuse is certainly not any weaker than what you've been justifying for my eviction. I already said that I thought you voted for a tie. I counted up the votes, but when you switched your vote in the last few minutes, I thought it was a new vote. I did what I thought I had to do to avoid a tie.

You say you counted the votes, but say you didn't notice I voted for Salva. That makes no sense. I also see you didn't care to deny you saw me and/or Kark's voting tally, but you mentioned a majority of the rest of the post. The fact that you did a vote count means you had to take notice of who voted for who, just in case their vote removed a vote from another person in your count.

You also keep on falling on the defense of "Kark wouldn't arrange it so and so way". That is weak. Unless you can read Kark's mind or something. None of use knows what he was thinking when he put the roles in.

Let's ignore the Salva and the Hobo situation, and pretend it never happened.

My justification for your eviction is strong with just your weird posting trying to get yourself killed, now that we know there is lost partner. Hardly anyone else in this game has tried to paint a target on their back, but you.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Holy shit I'm dying. You've got my vote.

I mean, not my vote. You've got me not voting for you. I can't vote anyway. What the fuck am I talking about

 

[kingkitty]

About me finding your reply credible. At that point in the game, no one knew there was a player that could be flipped at the time. So you saying I found your reply credible means nothing now, since we now know a player could've been flipped.

This isn't what you said. You said:

Your only defense to explain painting a target on your back is "wanted to distract mafia". Which makes no sense at all, unless you want the mafia to attack you to flip you.

Which basically looks like you were coming from the conclusion, that I was supposedly mafia, and then trying to piece the dots later. People in mafia games have often tried to attract the attention of mafia, in order to save power roles. I can't see why you won't even consider this possibility. It's no good!

The quote about being confused. I misread Darry asking "is this a tie again" as "this is tied again". For the record, I KNEW my vote didn't tie it. That is why I wondered why you voted salva, since you said you would only change your vote if there was a tie, which there wasn't.

At the time you were confused, I was confused. It happens.

The whole thing about throwing Hobo under the bus, but then trying to defend him can be easily explained by you straddling the fence. Simple as that. Don't want to appear to eager to have him investigated, but don't want to defend him like nin for freak either.

Easily explained through bad logic. I tried to earn the trust of townies, and then I threw it away by saving hobodobo at all cost? Ridiculous!

You have no strong retort for this.

You say you counted the votes, but say you didn't notice I voted for Salva. That makes no sense. I also see you didn't care to deny you saw me and/or Kark's voting tally, but you mentioned a majority of the rest of the post. The fact that you did a vote count means you had to take notice of who voted for who, just in case their vote removed a vote from another person in your count.

I counted the votes as in "1,2,3,4,5" I didn't really think that hard about the names. Within the span a few minutes, you changed your vote, then I realized "oh shit this might be a tie" without considering that you've voted already.

You also keep on falling on the defense of "Kark wouldn't arrange it so and so way". That is weak. Unless you can read Kark's mind or something. None of use knows what he was thinking when he put the roles in.

You can be unsure for all you want, but until something contradicts my theory, I'm going to stick with it. You don't have to agree with my theory, and I think I'm right. We'll find out sooner or later.

Let's ignore the Salva and the Hobo situation, and pretend it never happened.

No way.

Lets not ignore the absolute contradictions in my behavior. Asking franconp to out hobodobo, but then at the same, risk everything to save hobodobo. It's ridiculous.

My justification for your eviction is strong with just your weird posting trying to get yourself killed, now that we know there is lost partner. Hardly anyone else in this game has tried to paint a target on their back, but you.

Well me and mazre also tried to look for any clues about the lost partner, and we came up short. It could just be complete trial and error for the mafia.

In short: You're reaching. My behavior doesn't make sense as mafia (throwing Hobodobo under the bus but...then trying to save him no matter what? wha??)

 

[squidyj]

I answered your initial request. Other than that, you have nothing other than conjecture. Your suspicion amounted to "I think we should get this guy." I suggest you look elsewhere, because I haven't claimed for a reason. I don't want to say anything or else we will be at a severe disadvantage.

here we go. this is the post I was thinking of where Ouro openly suggests that he has a power role and that in saying anything town would be at a severe disadvantage. Contradicted later by him claiming vanilla town

 

[EzekelRAGE]

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Your first two sentences make no sense. I've laid out very plainly how I think your situation is/was in regards to your post. I explained it here. Hobo was still in the game when you quoted me saying "I understand, i guess". Since there was no clue about there being a sleeper agent for HHA, questioning you more about it didn't matter.

Salva Vote - You said you just went through the thread, counting "1,2,3, etc." and that you really didn't think about the names. I just went over the thread and counted the votes for that day. I counted all votes w/o taking out a person's vote if they voted for someone else, which is basically what you said you did. I counted all votes from Haly's first vote to my vote just before you "got confused". The tally that you would have doing it that way is 8 votes for Salva and 7 votes for Hobo (real count was 6 for Sal, 7 for Hobo). So that story still doesn't add up. Even if you counted how you say you counted, it wouldnt be a tie by your count. And you saying why risk yourself for Hobo in the vote can easily be explained by you sayin "I was confused".

Also, my let's ignore the voting part, wasn't saying to actually ignore it, it was me saying that even without that, the role thing/lost partner angle still makes sense.

Vote: Kingkitty

Well me and mazre also tried to look for any clues about the lost partner, and we came up short. It could just be complete trial and error for the mafia.

How is this even a defense against what you quoted? Just because you say me and mazre looked for clues on the lost partner doesn't mean much, especially since I think you are HHA. You are right, it is basically trial and error for the mafia, unless they have someone glowing up like neon sign for them to evict.

Why didn't you continue to do your whole "distracting mafia thing"? If you were so dead set on having the HHA evict you to save a power role, why did you claim a regular townie?

 

[kingkitty]

Your first two sentences make no sense.

They actually do make sense.

Your whole argument relies on ignoring contradictions. That, mr. ezekeielrage, is what truly does not make sense.

Also, my let's ignore the voting part, wasn't saying to actually ignore it, it was me saying that even without that, the role thing/lost partner angle still makes sense.

No. If you consider the contradicting behavior, it sheds doubt upon your whole case. Obviously you're willing to ignore these contradictions, which I think is a clear mistake. It won't help the town by wasting a vote.

How is this even a defense against what you quoted? Just because you say me and mazre looked for clues on the lost partner doesn't mean much, especially since I think you are HHA. You are right, it is basically trial and error for the mafia, unless they have someone glowing up like neon sign for them to evict.

Of course it doesn't mean much until you check the actual gossip chat, I'm just telling you what occurred that's all. I've already detailed my defense, don't get too hung up on this bit.

Why didn't you continue to do your whole "distracting mafia thing"? If you were so dead set on having the HHA evict you to save a power role, why did you claim a regular townie?

Because at that point, it sure looked like Hobodobo might be mafia, which if true, that means they already know about my real role. Around that same time, you also said I might be some kind of commuter, and I wanted to correct you. You see, I actually role claimed the first night I was invited to the chat. I didn't think about acting mysterious about my role only after it looked like so many were claiming villager. And I felt like it was the wrong move. Why make it easy for mafia? Why give them a list of villagers, which can then whittle out power users for them to kill. At the same, I realized I could play a spoiler role, and cause mafia to kill someone who doesn't have any power. Ideally I shouldn't have role claimed at all on the first night I was invited to the gossip chat, but it is what it is.

You've made your choice. I hope that other members of devillageasseratopia will see that this isn't the right way.

Remember:

-I asked franconp to investigate hobodobo, which would out him as mafia. You could say I did that as mafia in order to earn trust. Throwing one of my own under the bus.

but then

-As mafia, I supposedly risked everything to save hobodob, nearly causing a tie. Which destroys any sort of trust I would have gained from asking franconp to investigate hobodobo.

It's a contradiction. This should not be ignored. It makes no sense as a mafia strategy. Zero, zip, nada.

Vote for Ourobolus. Vote for RobotNinjaHornets or Haly (one or the other).

I've detailed somewhere already how I felt about these three. They're not based on the strongest evidence (can't said for anyone atm). But, they're also not completely blemished by clear contradictions, which defines Ekziel's argument again me. Obviously, like Ezekeilrage, you could simply say "I am willing to swat away these contradictions no matter what". I hope you and the rest of the townies make a different decision. I hope we can stand united, because with two people getting evicted, it'll be easier than ever for mafia to sneak in a vote here and there, saying "Oh Ezekiel makes some good points, vote:kingkitty".

Let's make the right decision, folks.

vote: ourobolus

 

[squidyj]

Kingkitty

Asking for someone to be investigated is as likely to keep that person from being investigated as not. If investigators were to generally follow those sorts of directives mafia could direct their kills appropriately.

Ezekal
Earlier you mentioned something about telling hobo to lie which doesnt make sense, if they were mafia teammates he could just tell hobo to lie in mafia chat.
Secondly you have to make me believe in a world where he and ouro are mafia together, if I don't see that world then I don't see how I can support a lynch