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Anime Mafia |OT| My Little Scum can't be this cute! ()
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30yearsofhurt
Member
So why did people go cold on Polt?
BTW agree on Dusk being scum MVP. And lets not forget Kyan trying his best to get lynched.
As to Blarg does that mean that scum have to get down to just 50% of remaining players?
Are we assuming 2 or 3 remaining scum?
BTW agree on Dusk being scum MVP. And lets not forget Kyan trying his best to get lynched.
As to Blarg does that mean that scum have to get down to just 50% of remaining players?
Are we assuming 2 or 3 remaining scum?
Hahaha. Very true. N2 actions weren't clear after Kyan's flip, but they didn't contradict Dusk's claim either. After D3 ended and Kyan flipped, I thought that Dusk was a female who checked Kyan and that maybe there was some interference in the read. And that's why he was so cagey about his alignment.
Then on D4 he said he definitely had a red check, and i honestly didn't think scum would double down on that claim, especially after Kyan's flip.
So just because i thought one way on D3, doesn't mean that i couldn't change my mind on D4. What Dusk did was incredibly anti town, and nobody should do that, but it didn't mean he was scum. His actions on D4 made me reconsider whether he was scum or not. Especially because he didn't try to snake out of explaining away his "red check" on scum. On D4 i really thought he was telling the truth about being some kind of cop.
I personally think he's town now. Even after people criticized him for being too self-serving, he has continued implying that he is an ordinary Townie. I think scum would tell him to lay off that sort of discussion if he was.
Sorry, correction.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
That was a very fast turn around on your part
I think a scum team would do exactly the opposite; they'd tell him to claim vanilla right off the bat and to keep with his story no matter what.
I'll admit the one suspicious thing is Haly's defensiveness of him on D1. It's why i decided to vote for him D3. But scum could do that to tie themselves to any player in case they get lynched/killed. Can someone summarize the compelling case against Poltergeist?
Poltergust
Member
Yeah, that's why i voted for you on D3
Poltergust
Member
Oh, thought that "him" = Haly. My bad! ^_^;
oreomunsta
Banned
Please do explain further what arsonist means, and what that can imply for a harem
Join me together on this train to oblivion!
Or maybe we'll just cause someone to win soon. Without us dying maybe.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
An arsonist is a role that douses one player per night, and then "ignites" them all and everyone who was doused will die.
So for the harem setting, I'm assuming that whoever is in the harem are the doused targets and will die once the arso issues the command.
why do you think this is an arsonist and not a... you know what fuck it? I don't care
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
DAY 5 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
cabot (2)
Cewyn 2232 2257
Swamped 2242
WhereAreMahDragonz 2250
30yearsofhurt (1)
Cewyn 2281
oreomunsta (1)
TheExodu5 2283
Swamped (1)
cabot 2244
WhereAreMahDragonz (1)
squidyj 2317
Kawl_USC (0):squidyj 2284 2317
Cewyn (0):squidyj 2236 2284
No active vote for Day 5: 30yearsofhurt, BlackBuzzard, flatearthpandas, Kawl_USC, oreomunsta, Poltergust, rac, ultron87
Day 5 Postcount: 30yearsofhurt 1, BlackBuzzard 4, cabot 17, Cewyn 9, flatearthpandas 2, Kawl_USC 8, oreomunsta 4, Poltergust 9, rac 0, squidyj 9, Swamped 11, TheExodu5 4, ultron87 1, WhereAreMahDragonz 7
Day 5 ends:
Automated vote tally here
8 votes for majority
cabot (2)
Swamped 2242
WhereAreMahDragonz 2250
30yearsofhurt (1)
Cewyn 2281
oreomunsta (1)
TheExodu5 2283
Swamped (1)
cabot 2244
WhereAreMahDragonz (1)
squidyj 2317
Kawl_USC (0):
Cewyn (0):
No active vote for Day 5: 30yearsofhurt, BlackBuzzard, flatearthpandas, Kawl_USC, oreomunsta, Poltergust, rac, ultron87
Day 5 Postcount: 30yearsofhurt 1, BlackBuzzard 4, cabot 17, Cewyn 9, flatearthpandas 2, Kawl_USC 8, oreomunsta 4, Poltergust 9, rac 0, squidyj 9, Swamped 11, TheExodu5 4, ultron87 1, WhereAreMahDragonz 7
Day 5 ends:
Automated vote tally here
8 votes for majority
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Super double?
dragonz, why are you going on gut in Day 5?
Cewyn, bad maths aside, why did you instantly place a vote down on someone when you thought this was town's last chance to stay alive?
rac, 30 can you just post something please which gives an inkling into your thinking
Polt, who are your scum reads?
oreo, why do you think you were targetted?
Cewyn, bad maths aside, why did you instantly place a vote down on someone when you thought this was town's last chance to stay alive?
rac, 30 can you just post something please which gives an inkling into your thinking
Polt, who are your scum reads?
oreo, why do you think you were targetted?
yes to the bolded.
23 player game, No SK (but possible arsonist), 1-shot vigi.
3 or 4 remaining would be my guess.
Why would you assume interference?
The only thing that happened to this point that maybe gave some creedence to an 'interference' role (my thinking is switcher) would be the fact that Blarg died on N2 but nothing else.
I however think the argument is stronger after Kyan's flip, because he claimed generic PR the day before his lynch. He flips male ascetic. A male scum probably tried to kill him and failed.
The N3 single flip ruled out my 'Maybe Blarg was killed by SK' suspicion, all that's left was a vigi shot.
The scum killed the claimed tracker right after his claim.
I don't see how the evidence we had made you think interference before lies. Dusk lied about the hidden chat between me and Kyan, which we both denied, and to you at least, one of us is confirmed Town. Why would Kyan deny that chat existed, knowing his alignment now?
why did you keep on trusting a multiple-time liar?
There's a scum reason why. You knew Dusk was implicating himself as well as the two non-scum around him, so you waited to see if the tide could turn from a dusk lynch on D4 to me.
If I flipped before Dusk, you'd just shrug and say 'Yeah Dusk, one lie too many time for you to die' and another non-scum flip hits. Woooo!
This is why you didn't vote before the hammer, you didn't want to be caught out with a vote on me in the situation of a Dusk town flip.
Why not? Why is scum just mucking up the entire game not a scummy play?
Dusk could've been a lynch bomb that decided to get extra targets with his play. That's just one example off the top of my head, I honestly can't see how you are unable to think of a scum scenario for Dusk's play.
to reinforce this point here, I'm using this post:
After what happened, you're not ignoring Dusk's nonsense until after he flips, you twice raise him being town (subtly, by implying that I am the red check he meant and clearly when you bring up 'If Dusk is Town')
also the sentiment of his actions is fairly clear, he thought he was a shit hot scumhunter who arrogantly put himself and his own baseless reads over everyone else in the game.
I only managed one post on D4, before the day unceremoniously ended. I don't know why you think not having a vote is suspicious.
I posted after Dusk gave his explanation, in which he didn't back down from his cop claim. Call me naive, but i believed him. Knowing his flip now he made a horrible play and even if he had been an alignment cop it would have been terrible but I assumed he was trying to ensnare more than one scum with his red check. I did not think a Dusk vote was the right play.
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I started scum reading Kawl because from memory, he only commented on Kyan and Dusk on D3 and D4. I don't remember any other reads from him, so it feels like he's not that invested in scum hunting. I will give his posts a read through.
Dragonz,Polter and Cewyn are leaning town to me.
Cabot, BB and Kawl feel like scum.
Maybe I'll do a bigger rewards list, but it's a pain on my phone.
I posted after Dusk gave his explanation, in which he didn't back down from his cop claim. Call me naive, but i believed him. Knowing his flip now he made a horrible play and even if he had been an alignment cop it would have been terrible but I assumed he was trying to ensnare more than one scum with his red check. I did not think a Dusk vote was the right play.
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I started scum reading Kawl because from memory, he only commented on Kyan and Dusk on D3 and D4. I don't remember any other reads from him, so it feels like he's not that invested in scum hunting. I will give his posts a read through.
Dragonz,Polter and Cewyn are leaning town to me.
Cabot, BB and Kawl feel like scum.
Maybe I'll do a bigger rewards list, but it's a pain on my phone.
Your lack of vote for dusk and instantly trusting him was what I found suspicious.
I'll call you naive. At the very least you were naive.
Also your reason for Kawl is pretty dire, considering how early on D3 was hijacked by Dusk vs Kyan and D4 was subsequently stolen by Dusk.
What was your read on Stan?
here's the other main reason why I scum read you, which I planned to bring up in D3 before Dusk happened:
squidy claims ordinary, cop in fluff.
Swamped responds, unvoting squidy after this claim.
She then goes back to squidy because initial instinct
Once the tide turns to monkey, she switches
What do I see here?
Scum getting a vanilla claim from squidy, and when the opportunity arises to lynch an unknown role, she takes it.
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squidy claims ordinary, cop in fluff.
Swamped responds, unvoting squidy after this claim.
She then goes back to squidy because initial instinct
Once the tide turns to monkey, she switches
What do I see here?
Scum getting a vanilla claim from squidy, and when the opportunity arises to lynch an unknown role, she takes it.
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This is funny, because I only agree with Polter here, who I slightly townread. The rest is opposite.
I townread Kawl and BB, and scumread Cewyn.
Dragonz is more of a question mark, though leaning scum.
I need you to give me reasons, because frankly Cewyn has barely posted anything through this game, how can you town read their content?
Swamped you need to offer thoughts of the posters in the middle who haven't really said much.
This goes for everyone, please offer reads on the following:
01. [m] oreomunsta - New - MDT
A null which is very alarming in this day phase. Has been harem'd along with ultron. Oreo can you contribute more please.
05. [m] rac - New - EST
I still scumread rac because I just can't see his style of play any other way, he's not as strong as Swamped though because there's a lot more material in her favour.
06. [m] 30yearsofhurt - New - GMT+10
I think this guy could be the neutral, I searched harem and he made a post a while back that sort of just seemed to accept it as a thing in this game.
07. [m] Poltergust - New - EST
Town lean.
08. [m] Bowlie - GMT-3 --> [m] flatearthpandas
I've not paid much attention to fep since he subbed in if I'm honest. Palmer made a decent case for Bowlie, fep has just popped in and offered walls of text. I will re-read. Currently null.
11. [m] ultron87 - EST
ultron has done nothing but defend himself, I was expecting him to pick up. His claimed PR is getting to the point where its dangerous now and frankly I still think he's lying because I'm skeptical of the mechanics. Claiming being harem'd first has let me rule out neutral. Scum.
15. [m] Cewyn - EST
Says I'm coasting, despite barely posting and promising to deliver real analysis multiple times and not doing so. Expand on your other scum reads beside me please. Scum/neutral.
16. [m] BlackBuzzard - CET
I've read BB as town for most of the game, there's a frankness in his play that seems more like an ordinary town more than scum.
18. [m] squidyj - MST
This so far reads like town squidy.
HOWEVER, squidy, have you been harem'd?
You've brought it up a few times through the phases, but never said you've been harem'd yourself.
19. [m] TheExodu5 - EST
I'm leaning scum. Has switched stances faster than I switch underwear, and my arguments made on Day 2 still stand. His way of voting for kyan made little sense when he had ultron as his main scum read. I also felt a bit of a horrible tunnel feeling though, so i'm not certain at all of this read.
22. [m] StanleyPalmtree - GMT+12 ---> [m] Kawl_USC
Stan was about as classic Town Stan as I could see. He was one of my strongest town reads. Kawl has come in at an inopportune time to read his behaviour, though nothing has rung alarm bells he's being Kawl, trying to solve what dregs remain after the clusterfuck of D3 and D4.
Dragonz, Exo, Swamped, Cewyn, rac, ultron are my harder scum lean/reads
That's six.
Can't see higher than four scum remaining. So the four strongest scum reads are
Swamped > Cewyn > ultron > Dragonz
This goes for everyone, please offer reads on the following:
01. [m] oreomunsta - New - MDT
A null which is very alarming in this day phase. Has been harem'd along with ultron. Oreo can you contribute more please.
05. [m] rac - New - EST
I still scumread rac because I just can't see his style of play any other way, he's not as strong as Swamped though because there's a lot more material in her favour.
06. [m] 30yearsofhurt - New - GMT+10
I think this guy could be the neutral, I searched harem and he made a post a while back that sort of just seemed to accept it as a thing in this game.
07. [m] Poltergust - New - EST
Town lean.
08. [m] Bowlie - GMT-3 --> [m] flatearthpandas
I've not paid much attention to fep since he subbed in if I'm honest. Palmer made a decent case for Bowlie, fep has just popped in and offered walls of text. I will re-read. Currently null.
11. [m] ultron87 - EST
ultron has done nothing but defend himself, I was expecting him to pick up. His claimed PR is getting to the point where its dangerous now and frankly I still think he's lying because I'm skeptical of the mechanics. Claiming being harem'd first has let me rule out neutral. Scum.
15. [m] Cewyn - EST
Says I'm coasting, despite barely posting and promising to deliver real analysis multiple times and not doing so. Expand on your other scum reads beside me please. Scum/neutral.
16. [m] BlackBuzzard - CET
I've read BB as town for most of the game, there's a frankness in his play that seems more like an ordinary town more than scum.
18. [m] squidyj - MST
This so far reads like town squidy.
HOWEVER, squidy, have you been harem'd?
You've brought it up a few times through the phases, but never said you've been harem'd yourself.
19. [m] TheExodu5 - EST
I'm leaning scum. Has switched stances faster than I switch underwear, and my arguments made on Day 2 still stand. His way of voting for kyan made little sense when he had ultron as his main scum read. I also felt a bit of a horrible tunnel feeling though, so i'm not certain at all of this read.
22. [m] StanleyPalmtree - GMT+12 ---> [m] Kawl_USC
Stan was about as classic Town Stan as I could see. He was one of my strongest town reads. Kawl has come in at an inopportune time to read his behaviour, though nothing has rung alarm bells he's being Kawl, trying to solve what dregs remain after the clusterfuck of D3 and D4.
Dragonz, Exo, Swamped, Cewyn, rac, ultron are my harder scum lean/reads
That's six.
Can't see higher than four scum remaining. So the four strongest scum reads are
Swamped > Cewyn > ultron > Dragonz
Finally, one post that feels like a town Cabot post.
Squids claimed and I wanted to believe him. Hence the unvote. Then Palmer sort of got to me, and i second guessed myself on squidy hence the revote.
Let me make this clear: I turned the tide against Monkey. From memory, BB voted for her, and my vote came after. So don't twust this narrative to be me joining a band wagon. It was my vote that caused everyone else to follow.
You know what? You bringing up D2 reminded me that BB had started the vote on Monkey at the very end of D2, which is why i town read him on D3 because i didn't think scum would be so bold as to start a new lunch train with 10 minutes to go. I haven't liked much since then though. He only voted Polter on D3, and didn't even comment on Kyan/Dusk on D3. This would be a safe thing to do for scum. Although hmm. His part 2079 where he starts the (admittedly safe) train on Dusk does feel slightly town. I guess I'm unsure about BB, looking through his D3 and D4 posts in more detail.
Cewyn just feels like town Cewyn. I've played many games with him and that's how he feels to me. He has done nothing that screams scum to me.
I need to think about rac and 30years. RAC especially has really gone under the radar. I need to look closer at oreo too.
Please explain what Kawl has done for you to town read him? The only towny thing i can think of is that he hammered Kyan.
Poltergust
Member
I can't give any specifics yet (I still need to re-analyze stuff), but I feel we've been waaaay too easygoing on the less active members.
Poltergust
Member
By the way, I'm posting there four final vote tallies so that people can just use this post to view them. They are not easily available in the OP for some reason:
Fake Edit: Crap, post is too big lol. Will post the second half next.
Fake Edit: Crap, post is too big lol. Will post the second half next.
Poltergust
Member
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Ill give my reads list in a bit but im gonna reread the entire thread.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Yea sorry came into the game on a super busy weekend followed by the actions of dusk dictating the only logical move which removed my desire to go back and sift through the soup of the early days. I will do so today and tomorrow.
My top town for the moment is Cabot though. Find cewyn generally unreadable but that fake double seems more like bored vanilla town. After mini 3, I put squid in my blind spot so no read there. I don't see the super scum vibes on swamped that cab does but I'll revisit that after reading in detail.
My top town for the moment is Cabot though. Find cewyn generally unreadable but that fake double seems more like bored vanilla town. After mini 3, I put squid in my blind spot so no read there. I don't see the super scum vibes on swamped that cab does but I'll revisit that after reading in detail.
hey_monkey
Banned
I'm right this time, like all the other times.
Love ya Monkey
I'll be at a desktop tomorrow morning, so that's when I'll look at oreo, rac and 30 more closely.
But one thing from memory: rac made an odd post about being the chosen one. Whether that was a scum slip or a joke i don't know. But it was in response to me asking Dusk to check certain people.
Also, I've been liking the pushback from Cabot and it feels like town cabot. I get the feeling he has a reason for what he is doing.
unvote
I'll be at a desktop tomorrow morning, so that's when I'll look at oreo, rac and 30 more closely.
But one thing from memory: rac made an odd post about being the chosen one. Whether that was a scum slip or a joke i don't know. But it was in response to me asking Dusk to check certain people.
Also, I've been liking the pushback from Cabot and it feels like town cabot. I get the feeling he has a reason for what he is doing.
unvote
i think either dragonz or cabot is scum
dragonz for defending kyan with cabot
believing everything dusk claims even after the flip
but does scum cabot really kill hatmoza after getting invited to a private chat?
he gets to claim under no scrutiny
may get info on who was tracked
when hatmoza claims it makes him look like town
safest lynch is probably dragonz since no one is gonna vote for polt at this point
dragonz for defending kyan with cabot
believing everything dusk claims even after the flip
but does scum cabot really kill hatmoza after getting invited to a private chat?
he gets to claim under no scrutiny
may get info on who was tracked
when hatmoza claims it makes him look like town
safest lynch is probably dragonz since no one is gonna vote for polt at this point
oreomunsta
Banned
But I want my Town to win. Turning into oreobbq doesn't sound like it'd be helpfulWhen did you claim you were harem'd? We may have another harem member who hasn't spoken up yet
Thanks for this, Dragonz.
Well, harem to me implies that the PR is either Town or neutral, which would mean that they scum read me, or have a neutral directive towards me.
I'm leaning towards this being a neutral PR. Why would a Town PR involve taking out several members at once?
I'm also leaning towards this harem king being a quieter member. Being a neutral, you probably have to be careful to not get targeted.
Nice pro play, BB. I have been trying to be an active player, and explained my reasons why earlier.
Digging up an old post in order to try to start making a case on me?
You and exo are leaning scum for me
oreomunsta
Banned
Also, Swamped, you claiming to take the charge on the Monkey lynch is bs.
I know that I voted for her the moment that she placed her inexplicable, last-minute vote. Looked like others did the same, without considering "What would Swamped-kun do?"
I know that I voted for her the moment that she placed her inexplicable, last-minute vote. Looked like others did the same, without considering "What would Swamped-kun do?"
This is the only post I see of yours commenting on dusk calling me a kyan defender:
Which reads like you're just stating what happened.
I town read kyan, and that was it. Dusk warped this into defending him, but when the red check claim came, I went on the wagon.
Out of interest, why is it scummy to defend Kyan, considering we now know he's town?
dragonz also went on the wagon, after you both were defending kyan before
i just read it as a 50/50 where one of you is town and one is scum