I think you should read my concerns about the peeking strategy, especially if we start doing it as early as day 2.
Also how can you not be convinced that I'm a cop? I'm a cop!
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I think you should read my concerns about the peeking strategy, especially if we start doing it as early as day 2.
Also how can you not be convinced that I'm a cop? I'm a cop!
Well I'm convinced
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
During the day phase everyone posts "I peeked ____ and got a ___ check", along with the actual cop. So when the cop flips we have a way to verify their reads from the past without them having come out and say that they're the cop and therefore revealing themselves to scum.
(｀･ω･´) ｂ
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
If you're really the cop you shouldn't be worried about a peek as it A) allows you to give your results safely and B) since you've already revealed yourself you won't be alive for that long anyway, making yourself useless from the start
Hence why I'm not convinced you're the cop
m9っ`･ω･´)
hey_monkey
Banned
See, this is clearly a shenanigan, but it's such an obvious shenanigan that it can't possibly be fruitful, but it's so clearly a clear and obvious shenanigan that...
what if I'm not the only cop though?
hey_monkey
Banned
Not that I would like to make myself a target but also no need to coddle the newbies because we're newbies. If we get scurrilously voted off d1 because senpai noticed and was mean, we can totally just use that as leverage to get into the next game because everyone feels bad.
I got the read that Rac was just playing along. Then again, you & I both know how bad I am at reading people.
hey_monkey
Banned
...damn, I can't even edit my post to fix errors, can I? 
this is going to be the hardest part of gafia for me
this is going to be the hardest part of gafia for meWhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Highly unlikely given how powerful the role is
Cmon, you're better than this (¬､¬)
I mean, we've had it before. Don't forget about Apprentice Roles, too.
Stepping in here - we actually do try to give priority to people who have played the least. Going out on day 1 would actually theoretically give you priority in the next game. (The Spider handles all this, somehow.) No need for emotional blackmail.
Carry on.
if i was scum i probably wouldn't stick my neck out D1 to try and diffuse tension when less then a quarter of the players have even posted
Poltergust
Member
Can you explain why it's a bad idea?
And yeah, this is the first time I've played Mafia online.
Poltergust
Member
Oh, and I want to bring up something: Is there any reason for the baddies to not target squidyj at this point, assuming he's town?
If no one else claims a special role by the end of the day phase then he put a self-imposed target on his back.
If no one else claims a special role by the end of the day phase then he put a self-imposed target on his back.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I'm just finding it very unbalanced and hard to believe. And if there is a backup cop, then they can't even do checks yet so I'm not even considering them at this point
Because it generally gives scum more of a read on players and town less to go off of. With no lynch, voting patterns become null and void, essentially, which is crucial for reconstructing scum voting patterns on D2 and beyond.
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30yearsofhurt
Member
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Why even bring this up? Do you have something you'd like to share with the class, Poltergust-kun? Seems like a very obvious and weird question, is all.
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hey_monkey
Banned
Yeah, that's what I was saying, just with the emotional blackmail part for flavoring and fun.
Oh, I mean ( ﾟ▽ﾟ
/Why are you so focused on power roles?
Poltergust
Member
I'm running through three different scenarios in my head over squidyj's situation:
1. squidyj is telling the truth; he really is a cop aligned with the town. However, I have no idea why he would reveal this information so early, especially when the conversation over who to lynch has just started and no one was going for anyone. There was no need to "save himself" by revealing how much of an asset to the town he is so soon.
2. squidyj is a regular townie and is lying about his role. This would provide the most benefit to the town because it allows him to play as a sacrificial lamb to the Mafia and allow the special town roles to (likely) survive the night.
3. squidyj is Mafia. Him "revealing" that he is a cop is simply an attempt to throw us off the trail.
There are more possibilities (mostly dealing with Independents), but those are what I think to be the three likeliest ones. Thing is, only #2 would be beneficial to the town, and there is no guarantee that he will be targeted by the Mafia anyways.
Any thoughts?
1. squidyj is telling the truth; he really is a cop aligned with the town. However, I have no idea why he would reveal this information so early, especially when the conversation over who to lynch has just started and no one was going for anyone. There was no need to "save himself" by revealing how much of an asset to the town he is so soon.
2. squidyj is a regular townie and is lying about his role. This would provide the most benefit to the town because it allows him to play as a sacrificial lamb to the Mafia and allow the special town roles to (likely) survive the night.
3. squidyj is Mafia. Him "revealing" that he is a cop is simply an attempt to throw us off the trail.
There are more possibilities (mostly dealing with Independents), but those are what I think to be the three likeliest ones. Thing is, only #2 would be beneficial to the town, and there is no guarantee that he will be targeted by the Mafia anyways.
Any thoughts?
leave poltergust alone!
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for like another 24 hours, at least that was the plan.
i think it's just a joke
Poltergust
Member
I think that with most of those quotes I was just reiterating what someone else already said.
That said, squidyj revelation of being a cop is what got the ball rolling, so why not talk about them?
(I really do not know if it is possible for abilities to be used in the day phase, though. Someone please answer me. :< )
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
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It's possible but it's very unlikely the gafia mods would approve of a day-time Cop. it's one of those things that really throw off the balance of games.
Poltergust
Member
No no no, I was talking about it in a general sense.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Honestly I think it's too early to tell. Your reaction is interesting though.
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if you really are cop, try your best!
Yes. Even in a general sense daytime abilities tend to be divisive from a balance perspective.
hey_monkey
Banned
I haven't played a lot of variations so I looked at the general mafia wiki to get a general sense and I don't see daytime abilities, really (though they can do what they want; i agree it's a balance issue, however), but there are some that seem imbued with extra knowledge, which could fit in theme. I dunno!
... which means I just posted a lot to say nothing, BASICALLY so uhhhh... I'll be over here.
Yup, there are roles that can act during the day phase, and they can act either by sending a private message to the game's creator, or by saying something in the game's thread, public to everyone. It's up to the creator to have them or not.
In case you haven't, you should take a look at the wiki to familiarize yourself with terms and things that could appear in the game: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Roles_Main_Page
oreomunsta
Banned
I never knew there was so much depth and variation to this game... All you vet players are wonderful senpais, arigatou (;-; )
Two of those were replies to someone who had mentioned power roles, and you started talking about it before noticing squid had claimed cop if I read you correctly.
It was something easy to notice, but since you really didn't know daytime powers could exist it's fine.
I mean...
Honestly, though, your behavior on this D1 is markedly different than any I've had with you. And we've had quite a few.
hey_monkey
Banned
There's all this death and violence and suspicion. It's basically like student council.
Distracted by Zelda BotW and Persona 5, mostly.
Otherwise, I am simply baffled by squidyj's behavior. Not that I think I can puzzle out whatever it is he is thinking. I don't know how to deal with crazy gambits right off the bat.
My general premise is that scum will try to lie low. While there are scum like Sorian who try to take front and center as town, a lot of scum in big games like this tend to sit back and quietly slip under the radar. It is easy to focus on the active people, when it is the quiet types who are probably the crazy yandere types with the hidden knives.
oreomunsta
Banned
Are Day 1's usually a little slow? I thought that we would have been flying through a few pages by now.
Only a few accusations and interesting comments have been made, but it's not too hectic right now.
Only a few accusations and interesting comments have been made, but it's not too hectic right now.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Well think about it. What information does town have to go off of, on day one? No one has died and we're not even close to a vote yet.
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＿BlackBuzzard
Banned
Woke up check anime Mafia see the first cop claim.
30yearsofhurt
Member
It's just about impossible to tell what's going on until investigators, etc. use their powers. Votes right now are just going to be based off gut feeling based on things such as past behavior in previous games, relationships with players or crappy anime faces.
oh you're one of those people.